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Post Reply Rape-- Does the way you dress have nothing to do with it?
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Recently I've seen a picture and there are all these women screaming how the way you dress has nothing to do with rape.
I tried to tell them, in reality, there are some dresses that do provoke men, and to either guard one self from such attacks one can either dress proper, or carry a gun.

A lot of people couldn't comprehend and started saying I support rape and what not , so let me make it clear.

This topic is wether dressing DOES have to do with rape. Not about supporting/disapproving of rape ( I don't)

Now I personally think in most cases its a yes, but if you think that dressing has nothing what so ever to do with rape, please post, and reason WHY you think so.
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I'm no expert in criminology but... I'm 95% certain that clothing have anything to do with increasing the chance of getting raped.


If that were the case, then there wouldn't be any child rape victims... children don't wear provoking clothes or have provoking body structure.

In my opinion, rape has more to do with the perpetrator's mental instability, sexual repression and childhood violence/sexual abuse history. Or any combination of those three.


A normal person has a certain level of empathy that a rapist's mentality lacks.
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It sounds unfair for women. But I have to agree. A revealing dress can make a guy want to have sex to the point it becomes rape. Guys want to have kids with as many women as possible. Women want a man that can provide for a family. It's many years of evolution of guys leaving women after they get pregnant. Now we live in an age of declining populations in first world countries.



Such a touchy subject, but one that needs to be talked about more I think.
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I have to disagree. Women who wear burkas get raped, too. As conservative as that clothing is, it's not a deterrent, either. Women also get raped while in their nightclothes, while in their own homes. They aren't out in public during those attacks. Bear in mind, this premise is not too far off from saying that what she wears is what causes men to lose their control, and rape them. Or, put more bluntly, "she was dressed that way, so she was asking for it." Bullshit. Saying, "Well, maybe you did something to provoke him?" is also a question that some victims of domestic violence hear, too. If you think the two topics are unrelated, they sometimes are...most victims of rape know their attacker, and it is not unheard of for a husband to rape his wife.

Blaming the victim doesn't solve the problem, and it sure as hell doesn't do anything but add insult to injury for the victims. Nobody, regardless of gender, ASKS to be raped. (By definition, if it's a consented act between adults, and both of them are in their right mind, then it probably isn't rape. Coercion and implied threats might also be in play, clouding the issue a bit more.) To suggest that she is to blame for HIS lack of self control is both illogical and misogynist. Many women won't even report their rapes, because of a lot of factors. (One of which is often the shaming of the victim as being at fault for the incident.)

On another note in regards to this issue, there are people who take the OP's premise several steps further, and blame the women for the whole act...to the extent of explicitly saying that they "deserve to be raped". Some of you might be familiar with this disgusting story, out of Arizona just a few months ago. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/25/you-deserve-rape-sign-brother-dean_n_3154980.html

EDIT: I needed to add this, as well, regarding the problem of rape at the University of Arizona (yes, the same university where this asshole shouts his misogynist, anti-gay, anti-Muslim bullshit.) http://www.tucsonweekly.com/tucson/rape-at-the-ua/Content?oid=1075027
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They were right to shout you down on that one. There is no excuse for rape. Rapist will always come up with some bollocks, but it's just that bollocks. And saying men can't control themselves at the sight of a mini-skirt or whatever is insulting men I would have thought. Using biology or evolution to excuse that is pathetic, plenty of men get through life without raping anyone.

As young girls we're told all this shit about what you wear might provoke some men but it's bullshit. A rapist would probably go after a modestly dress timid woman than a scantily clad confident woman. And to have men come over with their 'well-meaning ' advice on 'how not to get raped' is more than a little annoying. I can't imagine that men who get raped are questioned on their attire.

Women who suggest revealing clothing might encourage rape probably think that so they can be sure it won't happen to them. They'll do everything 'right' and they'll be safe. That's not how it works.

Other posters have basically said what I came here to say. Also about the husband raping his wife, that used to be legal here until a few years ago, since it assumed marriage implied constant consent so it didn't matter how you dressed.
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I believe that though it may not be the driving factor it may help fuel the fire. If a women is wearing a dress that is short enough you can nearly see what it is supposed to cover she will get a lot of attention from guys. Even if no guy talks to her you can be she will at least be checked out. Anyways so my theory on this is that what she wears does make a woman stand out in a crowed and may give her added unwanted attention. Though the person who commits the crime may have already made up there mind they will do it, seeing the woman dressed as such may encourage them to act. Then again, anyone who would do such a thing is sick and probably doesn't think the same way most do.
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I think the psychological make-up of the rapist is the cause for any rape, not the clothing that the victim wears.
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I'm not touching this one... for the same reason I don't agree with the clitoris being the reproductive equivalent of a reset button...
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spacebat wrote:

I'm not touching this one...


Then why did you bother posting at all?
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I know rape has to do with power and I completely refuse to "blame the victim."

However, for this particular question, I don't think of gang rape, child sexual abuse, etc. I think of date rape and sexual assault.
Like at a college party. A guy might see a girl in a skimpy dress and think, "Damn, she's hot" and try to "hook up" with her. She may later charge him for sexual assault (laws differ in the states on the woman's ability to give consent).

The thing is, if you're wearing tasteless, revealing clothing, you come off as a sexually promiscuous and maybe an easy girl. It's not right, of course. But if you're dressed that way, don't be surprised when a guy tries to hit on you.

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I will preface my post with this statement: "I do not think that the way you dress = whether or not you'll be raped. Also, the men/women/others who commit rape are the sole CAUSE of rape." (Also not touching child rape, that is a different breed of psychosis).

However, to say that the way you dress has NOTHING to do with rape is equally wrong. I don't mean to say that dressing provocatively will get you raped, but it may increase your chances overall (although the chance of random rape is 1 in 27777, so your chances wouldn't go up much). Dressing provocatively or not (psychologists have already shown that red is attractive to males) will certainly change the likelihood of rape. Some rapists select victims for a reason, sometimes they don't.

In defense of the general consensus on here, Utah State University did a study and found that most rapists do not remember what their victims were wearing. That being said, clothing can have a subconscious influence on the SELECTION of victim (unless there is a reason why another victim would take precedence, i.e. target of stalking, affection, etc.).
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My stance on this is that no matter what people are wearing you should have enough common sense not to put things into them! That's just rude.
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I'm sure there are cases where badly-socialized and/or not-sober men rape women due to their provocative clothing, so I wouldn't rule out clothing (or lack thereof) as a factor in the occurrence of rape. Rape has also seemingly long been used to assert one's power, regardless of what the woman wears since her relation to the man is more important, although this is barbaric to most people and it's been outlawed for a long time. Heck, some serial rapists probably just go out and drug/abduct women to rape based on how attractive they are (may or may not involve clothing of choice). There are also 'false' rape cases where the women does or doesn't actually sleep with the guy and claim rape just to reap the benefits or screw the guy over. People tend to believe the 'victim' more, which makes it easier for crazy b****es to bust guys just because they feel like doing so.
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I disagree that the victim is more likely to be believed, but it also depends upon the circumstances. The second article I linked brings up the Kobe Byrant case. The problem with cases like that is something you just laid out - the implication that she's just trying to screw the guy over. That stigma against the accuser is one reason so many rapes go unreported, especially when the accused is someone in a position of power or authority.

I am not suggesting that every accusation of rape is true. But I am pointing out that some of the cases that get so easily dismissed as just trying "to reap the benefits or screw the guy over" are legitimate, and that in the eyes of the public, they tend to believe the accused more than the accuser. That goes from celebrities on down the line to frat boys. False reporting is a problem, and I agree that it should stop. But the accusers are the ones who tend to be guilty in the court of public opinion, before any facts are made public...and THAT is a huge problem too.
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VeniVidiVici- wrote:

Recently I've seen a picture and there are all these women screaming how the way you dress has nothing to do with rape.
I tried to tell them, in reality, there are some dresses that do provoke men, and to either guard one self from such attacks one can either dress proper, or carry a gun.

A lot of people couldn't comprehend and started saying I support rape and what not , so let me make it clear.

This topic is wether dressing DOES have to do with rape. Not about supporting/disapproving of rape ( I don't)

Now I personally think in most cases its a yes, but if you think that dressing has nothing what so ever to do with rape, please post, and reason WHY you think so.


This is nothing but sick victim blaming!

To even suggest this is irresponsible to say the least and enabling rapists by condoning their excuses at the worst!

This meme is often pushed by right wing extremists throughout the male dominated world!
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