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The reincarnation model resonates much better with me than the heaven model, precisely because heaven would get old after a while. The best treatments I've seen of the afterlife have been things like Angel Beats, where it's essentially just life again, but with some quirky, interesting little new elements. I think heaven would have a hard time being better than life is, so if I were to pick the 'ending' that I like best, it'd be reincarnation.
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heaven is a great pair of boobs
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I have a hard time believing that there is a heaven. I think that if there is something considered the "soul" then it probably doesn't leave this plane of existence because the body is gone. It wouldn't surprise me if we died and then were placed by on Earth in another time/place/dimension. I think a lot of near death experiences are probably earthly desires or hopes what you think the perfect place to be when you're gone is, there are too many different stories and religions for there just to be one place you go.
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I don't care. i want to go to hell, if it even exists, which it doesn't.


I still respect Satan most. i dont really respect this God, thing at all.
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What is heaven?

Heaven is a place to be with God for eternity...“to be absent in the body is to be present with the Lord” and those who truly worship Him, do it in mind and soul...if you love this world, maybe you will not like heaven.

According to the Bible, angels are spirits and they don't have a gender...if we go to heaven, we will be like them...that's what I understand...

Also, Paul, an apostle of Christ said: 'I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows” (2 Corinthians 12.2). In this “third heaven” Paul heard “inexpressible things that man is not permitted to tell.”

Due to that verse, I used to think that the first heaven is the heavens in which the birds and clouds fly. The second heaven, is the realm of the stars. This leaves the third heaven as the dwelling place for God.

But in reality...

1st Heaven: The most “gloomy” of the levels since it is “nearest to the iniquities of men.”

2nd Heaven: The level that contains snow, ice, and fire and all manner of retributions to be visited upon the earth by the wrath of God on the day of judgment.

3rd Heaven: The staging area for the angelic armies who will be deployed by God to bring judgment onto the earth. According to Levi’s scheme of heaven, this is the level Paul would have visited, and is the last level that has anything to do with the material world—which is why Paul could visit there, but would have been permitted to go no further.

4th –7th Heavens: These levels are called holy by Levi: “And the heavens up to the fourth above these are holy, for in the highest of all dwelleth the Great Glory, in the holy of holies, far above all holiness” (Levi 1:20-21).

4th Heaven: The home of Thrones and Dominions where heavenly hymns are sung.

5th Heaven: The home of angelic messengers.

6th Heaven: The home of the angels who minister to God and who make “bloodless” offerings for the “ignorance of the righteous ones.”

7th Heaven: The home of God.


Those who will go to heaven, (whatever that is 'cause I still don't understand it) will worship God for eternity so only if you have a deep desire and love towards God, it could mean you will go to heaven. Who knows, after all, only God knows.





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I don't care. i want to go to hell, if it even exists, which it doesn't.


I still respect Satan most. i dont really respect this God, thing at all.


I don't mind atheist but those who choose the devil knowing there is a God...don't have my respect. God is not a slave that should come to your every command or pamper human beings who destroy this world and are worse than animals because we have minds and can think but some still behave like animals. I believe God is TOO MERCIFUL by giving us life and letting us enjoy the things we enjoy. If some things are messed up in this world is our own fault. We are so proud, we want too much, we are selfish and if you think Satan loves us...hahaha he was always jealous of us and that's why he betrayed God because Satan hated us and God loves us.
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There is no heaven or hell. Ask yourself, did god create us or did man create god? Think about it. If youwanted to create a perfect world why would you have either heaven or hell?
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If such a place as Heaven does exist I think it would objectively be very similar to here. The one major difference would be that everyone, or mostly everyone, would need to be more-or-less not human in the sense that they had neither negative or positive thoughts or actions. The only way I can of that this would work would be if everyone was on some type of super drug. So yeah, basically it would be the same as here but with the illusion of a perfect place.
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What Is Heaven Like?

SOME people think that it is impossible to know about heaven because no one has ever come down from there to tell us about it. Perhaps they have forgotten that Jesus said: “I have come down from heaven.” (John 6:38) To some religious leaders, he also said: “You are from the realms below; I am from the realms above.” (John 8:23) What did Jesus say about heaven?

Jesus confirmed that heaven is where Jehovah resides. He called God “my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 12:50) But Jesus used the word “heaven” in more than one sense. For example, he referred to the earth’s atmosphere as “heaven” when he said: “Observe intently the birds of heaven.” (Matthew 6:26) Nevertheless, Jehovah lives beyond the atmosphere. The Bible says: “There is One who is dwelling above the circle of the earth.”—Isaiah 40:22.

Does the “Father who is in heaven” live among the stars? The physical universe is also called “heaven” in the Holy Scriptures. For example, one psalmist wrote: “When I see your heavens, the works of your fingers, the moon and the stars that you have prepared, what is mortal man that you keep him in mind?”—Psalm 8:3, 4.

No, Jehovah God does not have to live inside the physical universe that he created any more than a carpenter has to live inside a cupboard that he makes. Thus, when King Solomon dedicated the temple in Jerusalem to Jehovah, he said: “Will God truly dwell upon the earth? Look! The heavens, yes, the heaven of the heavens, themselves cannot contain you; how much less, then, this house that I have built!” (1 Kings 8:27) If Jehovah does not dwell in the physical heaven, what is the heaven where he does dwell?

Although men have studied the physical heavens with powerful telescopes and some have traveled to outer space, what the Bible says remains true: “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18) Jesus explained why when he said: “God is a Spirit.”—John 4:24.

A spirit is a form of life higher than a human. A spirit is not composed of physical material, such as flesh and blood, that can be seen and felt by human senses. So when Jesus said that he used to dwell alongside his Father in “heaven,” he meant that he used to have a form of life that is more glorious than any physical form of life. (John 17:5; Philippians 3:20, 21) This spirit realm where Jesus used to live with his Father is what the Bible calls “heaven.” What is it like? What happens there?

hat happens there?

A Place of Happy Activity

The Bible describes heaven as a hive of activity. It mentions hundreds of millions of faithful spirit creatures who live there. (Daniel 7:9, 10) Each of these spirit creatures has his own distinct personality. How do we know that? In all observable creation, no two living things are exactly alike, so we can be sure that in heaven, there is great diversity as well. Remarkably, all these heavenly personalities work together in unity, thus providing an admirable contrast to the earth today, where people rarely cooperate well.

Notice how the Bible describes activity in heaven. “Bless Jehovah, O you angels of his, mighty in power, carrying out his word, by listening to the voice of his word. Bless Jehovah, all you armies of his, you ministers of his, doing his will.” (Psalm 103:20, 21) So a lot of work is being done in heaven. We can be sure that it is satisfying work.

Angels have a long history of happy service that goes back to a time even before the earth was created. According to the Scriptures, when Jehovah founded the earth, the sons of God “joyfully cried out together” and “began shouting in applause.” (Job 38:4, 7) One of God’s heavenly sons was even privileged to work along with God in the creation of all other things. (Colossians 1:15-17) This appealing description of happy activity in heaven may raise questions in your mind about heaven and mankind.

Were Humans Intended to Go to Heaven?

Since angels were serving God in heaven before the founding of the earth, the first man and woman were evidently not created to populate the heavens. Rather, God said to that first human pair: “Be fruitful and become many and fill the earth.” (Genesis 1:28; Acts 17:26) Adam was the first of a new form of earthly life, able to know God and to serve him faithfully. He was to father a race of humans whose home would be the earth. “As regards the heavens, to Jehovah the heavens belong, but the earth he has given to the sons of men.”—Psalm 115:16.

People do not normally want to die; death is not natural for humans. God mentioned death to Adam only as the punishment for disobedience. Had Adam obeyed, he would never have died.—Genesis 2:17; Romans 5:12.

Not surprisingly, then, God said nothing to Adam about going to heaven. So the earth was not to be a proving ground where people would be tested to see if they were fit for heaven. Man was created to live forever on earth, and that purpose of God will yet be fulfilled. The Bible promises that “the righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it.” (Psalm 37:29) Clearly, humans were not originally meant to go to heaven. Why, then, did Jesus promise heavenly life to his apostles? Did Jesus mean that all good people will go to heaven?

3 Jehovah did not create the earth as a testing ground to enlarge his family of spirit sons in heaven, as taught by many churches of Christendom. He created it with a definite purpose in mind, for it “to be inhabited.” (Isaiah 45:18) God created the earth for man and man for the earth. (Psalm 115:16) The entire globe was to become a paradise, filled with righteous humans, who would cultivate it and take care of it. Never was the prospect of eventually going to heaven held out to the first human couple.—Genesis 1:26-28; 2:7, 8, 15.

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Posted 8/24/13
Heaven is made-up fantasy created by Humans who are afraid of dying...
....By invoking Heaven/ Hell we created an illusion of an afterlife...

The concept of an afterlife is nothing more than mental masturbation used to comfort our fear of death...
Posted 10/4/13 , edited 10/4/13
Heaven is hope and dreams to the religious people out there. Let those people have some type of hope and heaven is all but a dream.
Well we wouldn't know unless we're in the process of dying.
Posted 10/4/13
I'd rather go to hell. Hell doesn't ban sodomy.
Posted 10/4/13
Limitless possibilities :).
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I've never seen the appeal of heaven.
For one thing, if you know that the 'unsaved', very possibly even including people who you've known and even loved, will spend eternity in agony, how could you truly enjoy the supposed 'Paradise' that is the Kingdom of God?
Anyone with a sense of morality would be horrified to know that, although they were going to be spending the hereafter at the side of their god, other people would suffer forever just because they happened to believe in a different creator, or no creator at all.
It's one of the many reasons why I don't buy into this stuff. There's an inherent cruelty and selfishness to the concepts of Heaven and Hell which suggests that the idea of a 'loving' God is completely absurd. And the thing is, even if there is a god up there (which I sincerely doubt), s/he actually does sound like a bit of a douchebag, and certainly not a being worthy of praise and worship.

There's a theory, sometimes called “Dawkins’ Law of Conservation of Terror” (named after the Evolutionary Biologist Richard Dawkins) which goes something like 'The more implausible the threat, the greater the punishment must be'. Therefore, if your teacher threatens you with detention, it doesn't have to be a particularly terrifying prospect because you know there's a very real chance it will be carried out. However, the threat of not obeying God - an implausible character who even the most faithful of believers must surely have doubted the existence of at some point in their life - has to be much, much harsher. It's effectively a way of frightening you into believing: Have faith in God, or eternal damnation upon your soul. The idea of Heaven and Hell is very silly, but fear is a highly effective motivator, no matter how irrational the threat.
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I don't mind atheist but those who choose the devil knowing there is a God...don't have my respect. God is not a slave that should come to your every command or pamper human beings who destroy this world and are worse than animals because we have minds and can think but some still behave like animals. I believe God is TOO MERCIFUL by giving us life and letting us enjoy the things we enjoy. If some things are messed up in this world is our own fault. We are so proud, we want too much, we are selfish and if you think Satan loves us...hahaha he was always jealous of us and that's why he betrayed God because Satan hated us and God loves us.


Even though I believe in neither the Devil or God, I kind of agree with the concept of the Devil being more sympathetic. If you actually read the Bible, God does tend to come across as a bit of a petulant, neurotic sociopath with severe insecurity issues. I mean, commanding fathers to kill their sons to prove their love to him (and then saying 'Just kidding, LOL!'), condoning - demanding even - rape and slavery and numerous other hideous acts. Sorry, but as someone who tries, and I hope generally succeeds, to live a moral life, the Biblical God is not a deity I'd feel comfortable praying to. As for him/her/it being merciful for 'giving us life', well yes - but there's also such a thing as parenting. If God is actually real, then he is the most neglectful, abusive parent in the history of humankind.
Satan, on the other hand, seems a little misunderstood to me. Really, the 'worst' thing he did was tempt Eve (thus setting in motion Christianity's grand tradition of blaming women for everything!), and bring humankind out from the cloud of ignorance that God wanted us to live under forever. Without Satan, we'd still be walking around with our genitals out, eating leaves and living under trees. Perhaps that sounds like paradise to some, but I quite like living in a world of tablet computers, microwave meals and anime! The moral of Genesis really seems to be 'Ignorance is bliss, knowledge will only bring unhappiness'...which kind of makes sense when you're trying to sell such a fundamentally wacky idea as some invisible guy in the sky creating everything, listening to prayers etc, not to mention the inherent silliness of a talking snake!
So, saying you 'don't respect' someone for favoring Satan is a little blinkered. There really is an argument to be made in favor of the horny little guy. I mean, I think the Christian God is an absolutely awful character - mean, vindictive, petty and morally bankrupt, but there's a big difference between not respecting a fellow human being, and not respecting their particular belief system.
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You got a point...and you are right to think that way because.... you don't understand God (neither do I, no one can understand Him) but this insert from a great book summarizes my feelings and opinion towards God perfectly:



"God is God" the levite replied. "He did not tell Moses whether He was good or evil; He simply said: I AM. He is everything that exists under the sun--the lightning bolt that destroys a house, and the hand of man that rebuilds it"

"God is all-powerful. If He limited Himself to doing only that which we call good, we could not call Him the Almighty; He would command only one part of the universe, and there would exist someone more powerful than He, watching and judging His acts. In that case, I would worship that more powerful someone"

"Many times before, when I felt at peace with God and the world, the temperature was horrible, the desert wind filled my eyes with sand and did not permit me to see a hand's span before me. Not always does His plan agree with what we are or what we feel, but be assured that He has a reason for all this."


You see, I didn't believe in God before, I hated going to church and I would never open the door to a wonderful old woman who sometimes came to my house to talk about God. The Bible bored me to death and I just didn't care...I prayed sometimes out of habit and not out of love...and I would pray only when I was in trouble^^ in other words, I was a joke.

But one day, out of nowhere...I had the most wonderful feeling...the feeling of completeness. In my mind I yelled "God exists!" it might be crazy for you but at that moment I was trembling of happiness (that was the only moment i have felt complete happiness in all my life, it was a great feeling I can not put into words) and I looked at the sky as if it was the first time I saw the sky, I was in awe and full of joy. I even thought of becoming a nun because I was 100% sure that God exists and I wanted to dedicate my life to Him only. That day i bought a Bible and I read it nonstop.

Many times I had to raise my eyebrows because the God I was reading was very different to the God that all priests preached at the church and because of that, all my plans to become a nun disappeared like smoke. I don't like the church and most of the things they preach are lies (in my opinion). Things like killing a whole city or killing a woman with stones made me feel sad...but they were necessary, in my opinion, because those people were always disobeying God and it might look like evil to you but what it is evil or good for us it's not the same for God. Our minds are like a sesame seed compared to God's infinite mind.

"Everything in this world can be seen as you wish to...good or bad, simple or complicated, easy or difficult...it's not how things are; it's about how you look up to them and how you look up to them is up to you."

He is God and we are to obey Him, why He did the things He did, I don't know and I will probably never know, why He became a man and scarified Himself for sinners, why He made us sinners....I think all is to prove that He is All Powerful, (just my opinion, no one knows why God created us or why He let Satan out in this world) again, it might look like evil to you, but God is the Potter and we are the clay. He can create anything with the clay, that's how I see it.

In my case, God has been very merciful to me and he has blessed me immensely even though I'm rotten and lost most of the time.And I still think he's been very merciful to us. Why we must blame God for all the wrongdoings of mankind? "Man asked GOD, "Give me everything to enjoy life" GOD replied, "I have given you LIFE to enjoy everything." what else do we need? I know God exists and when i think about Him I just get a tender feeling in my heart. every person that truly believes in God and follows Him has a good life and is at peace with him/herself. I'm not at peace with myself because I'm doing things I shouldn't do and I fall many times...but if God wants to save me or if He wants to send me to hell, that's His choice...and I will accept it because He is God and I'm just another creation, a foolish creation.








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