The Nintendo Curse and how it can be broken
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Basically the reason why Wii U sales are lacking is due to a lack of sufficient titles made for it. To make matters worse, once the PS4 and Xbox One launch, Nintendo's going to have an uber-tough time due to the Wii U having inferior hardware compared to the others. The inferior hardware is what caused a lack of third party support as sufficient as on Microsoft and Sony
, which began with the N64 when Nintendo refused to use CDs and chose to use cartridges instead, which caused Nintendo to lose a large amount of third-party support, which still happens to a degree today. Nintendo needs to change their strategy as graphical performance has become a top priority.

In terms of hardware, the Wii U is WHAT THE WII SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. What Nintendo needs to do create a new console that is actually ON PAR with the PS4 and Xbox One. Given the massive sales the Wii, DS and 3DS have generated, it's clearly a possibility. The new Nintendo console needs to have a GPU, CPU, RAM and A/V Hookups comparable to the latter two, a 500+ GB Hard Drive (and removable), cloud storage, maintain backwards compatibility with the existing Wii U and Wii, Cross-game chat, a subscription service equal to Playstation Plus and Xbox Live Gold, Achievements be made MANDATORY, live streaming, improved online service and web connection, improved Miis, increased service for Nintendo TVii, revised and easier to use Nintendo Network, USB 3.0 service, and 4K resolution.

Currently, the only way the Wii U will see a significant growth in sale is when all those new Nintendo games come out, which will be released in late 2013/early 2014, which might be too late due to the PS4 and Xbox One.
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Great point!
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I think that it is also because of how nintendo prices their games, it scares devs away as well. Nintendo charges less for their games but this standard they set gives devs less profit. $50 v $60 per game with not all that going to the devs anyway. Though this is nice for the consumer it also drives away devs as why would they want to make a product that wont make them as much money? This is why nearly all games for nintendo consoles are not made by third party devs. This as well as the massive amount of money that microsoft and sony bring in through non-gaming products allows them to have a bit more wiggle room with what goes into their product. (they can lower a profit margin so that their console is remarkably stronger yet only slightly more expensive, because they are making money off of multiple areas).

PS, if you are interested in how devs will be pulled into consoles then you should look into what microsoft is really doing with always online. If what they are trying to do works they could be selling games for a fraction of their current price while having developers make equal to even higher percentages of profit off of them.

In the end a console is only as good as its games, and if you don't have the best games then you don't have the best console.
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Domayv wrote:

Basically the reason why Wii U sales are lacking is due to a lack of sufficient titles made for it. To make matters worse, once the PS4 and Xbox One launch, Nintendo's going to have an uber-tough time due to the Wii U having inferior hardware compared to the others. The inferior hardware is what caused a lack of third party support as sufficient as on Microsoft and Sony
, which began with the N64 when Nintendo refused to use CDs and chose to use cartridges instead, which caused Nintendo to lose a large amount of third-party support, which still happens to a degree today. Nintendo needs to change their strategy as graphical performance has become a top priority.

In terms of hardware, the Wii U is WHAT THE WII SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. What Nintendo needs to do create a new console that is actually ON PAR with the PS4 and Xbox One. Given the massive sales the Wii, DS and 3DS have generated, it's clearly a possibility. The new Nintendo console needs to have a GPU, CPU, RAM and A/V Hookups comparable to the latter two, a 500+ GB Hard Drive (and removable), cloud storage, maintain backwards compatibility with the existing Wii U and Wii, Cross-game chat, a subscription service equal to Playstation Plus and Xbox Live Gold, Achievements be made MANDATORY, live streaming, improved online service and web connection, improved Miis, increased service for Nintendo TVii, revised and easier to use Nintendo Network, USB 3.0 service, and 4K resolution.

Currently, the only way the Wii U will see a significant growth in sale is when all those new Nintendo games come out, which will be released in late 2013/early 2014, which might be too late due to the PS4 and Xbox One.


hardware is important, but not to the degree you say, it's the games being good that matters.

for the xbone: these cover my opinions (strong language used)



achievements: only if done like these guys say
http://youtu.be/hFM4eIAou5M

GPU, CPU, RAM and A/V Hookups comparable to the latter two- nice as that would be, we can live without them
cloud storage- no
Cross-game chat-no
a subscription service equal to Playstation Plus and Xbox Live Gold- no! NO! NO! NO!
live streaming hahahahaha no
4K resolution. can live without

the only thing to make this worse is having an "always online connection"
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@uhohimdead: The problem with the PSN back in its free configuration on the PS3 is that it had horrid connection whenever you play online multiplayer. Playstation Plus was designed as a solution to provide connection quality equal to Xbox Live Gold, but at a cost for having to pay for supscription in exchange. The same issue might exist with the Wii U's Nintendo Network. Storage-wise, the Wii U is too small (unless you buy USB hard drive expansions). That storage capacity might work if it was used on a detachable memory card that you would copy existing memory from the Wii U's hard drive
onto the memory card and plug it into the Wii U Pro Controller or (even better because you can play games on the go) Wii U Controller a la Xbox. However, it would require modifying the controllers as such. Besides, whatever is wrong with cross-game chatting, live streaming, and cloud storage?
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Basically the reason why Wii U sales are lacking is due to a lack of sufficient titles made for it.


Iwata says Wii will avoid major droughts that plagued GameCube. (March 2007)

Iwata promises that 3DS will avoid major droughts that plagued Wii and DS.

Iwata promises that Wii U will avoid major droughts that plagued 3DS and Wii.

Iwata apologizes for Wii U drought in January and February.


Given the massive sales the Wii, DS and 3DS have generated, it's clearly a possibility.


Nintendo’s president may be in trouble as the company posts its second annual loss in history

Please do yourself a favor and read this

My opinion is as it has been for the last few years, Nintendo needs to bite the bullet and go third party. If the sales trend with the Wii U continues they probably will.
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@Tragyk: Iwata's the problem. He needs to either change his strategy, as it's clearly not working repeatedly, or step down.
@Gettnlag: That's also a problem, Nintendo needs to lower their costs of dev kits for 3rd party developers to Microsoft and Sony standards.

The Wii U's fate depends on the success of Wind Waker HD, Game & Wario, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, New Super Luigi U, and Donkey Kong Country Returns: Tropical Freeze, and Wii Party U.

IMO, had Nintendo ACTUALLY CHOSE to use CDs for the N64 instead of cartridges (which CDs are ACTUALLY EASIER to manufacture and duplicate than cartridges), they wouldn't put themselves in this more-than-a-decade-old mess, which that. Nintendo is just cutting off WAY TOO MANY corners to justify what they are doing and need to take a different approach. Hardware-wise, the Wii is what the Gamecube should've been in the first place. Nintendo hasn't lived its glory days since the NES & SNES for almost 2 decades, and barely got it back with the Wii. In the video game console world since the introduction of 3D graphics, MIGHT MAKES RIGHT! (a.k.a. HARDWARE MAKES GAMEPLAY!).
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Posted 6/15/13

Tragyk wrote:

My opinion is as it has been for the last few years, Nintendo needs to bite the bullet and go third party. If the sales trend with the Wii U continues they probably will.


Bingo. you cant hold your console up on your dev teams alone. You will need the support of third parties and this is one of the biggest things separating Nintendo from Microsoft and Sony
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