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Log Horizon and Sword Art Online - similar concept (or not?) Discuss
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Posted 10/13/13 , edited 10/13/13
Log Horizon takes a very sharp turn after episode 6 and on.
Once episode 11 is reached, I doubt anyone who's actually following the series will make any serious comparison to SAO.

Kirito is a messiah knight in shining armor. Shiroe is a politician.
The stories are nothing alike.

As for the harem discussion...
LH is an Ensemble Cast story, meaning, OTPs instead of harem.
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WHAT? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ME A .HACK/SIGN COMPARISON?

Fer-GEET your polls!

Satelight Studio's doesn't have the ability or budget to match SAO's visuals, and it's story is more in line with the .Hack franchise.

I expect it to earn a "Great but you won't remember it next season" rating.
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Posted 10/13/13
It probably won't be as popular as SAO, but I think that in story terms the execution will turn out better, because it's about a group of people, whereas kirito was pretty much a lone wolf so there was never much focus on other players except Asuna.
And there's the elimination of the melodramatic real life death situation, so it's a lot more fun. The *lack* of death could bring up just as many interesting issues though. (Already seeing a little of this in ep. 2)
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Felstalker wrote:

WHAT? YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE ME A .HACK/SIGN COMPARISON?

Fer-GEET your polls!

Satelight Studio's doesn't have the ability or budget to match SAO's visuals, and it's story is more in line with the .Hack franchise.

I expect it to earn a "Great but you won't remember it next season" rating.


Story is nothing in-line with .hack
Log Horizon is closer to Twelve Kingdoms.

Sure, if you find world building crap boooooooooriiiiing, I guess you can say it's forgettable. Everyone has their taste.

.hack and SAO is far, FAR closer to each other than they are to LH.
Just check it out till episode 11 first before making a decision.
I'll await your reaction and so I can respond with "I told you so" rant!
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this again... i personally like all mmorpg based animes so.


I completely agree I just love the aspect of mmorpg games being in anime. Why do we feel the need to compare anime to each other it doesn't help you view the show better it only hinders you.
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I am now going to offend everyone in this thread by bashing Log Horizon.

Seriously though, it's already off to a bad start.

We already have a Gary Stu/self-insert protagonist tragic hero (who just happens to be a strategist instead of a dual-wielding god) who gets helped along by a script which only pits his wits against idiots, and is surrounded by exactly: ONE token male character (who is quickly identified as not being a threat to the protagonist's inestimable greatness) and a PLETHORA of women who are doomed to failure if he doesn't step in and fix their problems.

(Seriously, count them: every interaction Shiroe has with a woman in the first two episodes involves her needing something from him, and his either declining because of his tragic past or heroically deigning to solve her problem).

Next up, the setting is bullocks compared to SAO.

We have no idea why these players are trapped, what their overall goals are, how they can escape, who put them there, and furthermore nobody is particularly bothered by this dramatic turn of events. "Oh, we're trapped in a game now? I am incredibly unphased; also this food is terrible." I'll let this off because I'm pretty sure Log Horizon is being aimed at 8-12 year-olds, but it's still a pretty glaring narrative deficiency. It's like watching people get trapped inside Guild Wars 2.

So... different than SAO? Not particularly. Except that by the second episode SAO was in a far better position than this, and Log Horizon is set to dovetail down the exact same trajectory of inestimable absurdity at this point.

But people who know more about the story than I do claim that won't happen, so we'll see.


What could've changed:

I dunno... a bunch of things, depending on how they wanted to build the story. I would've liked a larger initial party, with the tank and healer both being female along with Akatsuki. The healer would join in the second episode, and knows Shiroe from the Debauchery Tea Party and recognizes how his past experiences are impairing his judgement; she calls him on this early in the PvP battle and he switches out of a tactic which would've gotten them defeated otherwise.

This would make Shiroe fallible, but also more interesting since we can actually see an example of whatever happened in his past effecting the present. Instead of Shiroe just being tragic over a video game for no apparent reason.

It would also give him an identifiable character hurdle to overcome.

Without any particular adversary, they're also taking awhile to set one up. I assumed there'd be a mastermind character who'd get drawn into the mix after they defeated the PvP party who attacked them in the second episode, and it'd turn into a vendetta as Shiroe's party raced to Susukino with this PK guild dogging their footsteps at every turn. This could've been a high-stakes conflict in the middle of the wilderness except flying mounts pretty much kill that suspense.

Also, I'm flummoxed over why there isn't a death penalty. Even if it's just if you die three times within so many hours you gain a stacking debuff that penalizes your stats or inflicts you with negative levels for a period of time. So the PK guild would be slowly wearing down Shiroe's forces while they can sit anyone who's died. But then Shiroe's group could slip behind them and wipe out the wounded to even the playing field before slipping back into the wilderness.

They also could've limited the number of resurrections a healer could cast within a certain period, after which a player would have to respawn back at a major city, and they'd be lost to the group still fighting a retreat towards Susukino.


Log Horizon just lacks any form of tension or point to it, so while it's moderately entertaining (especially for an MMO gamer), I don't see it holding up. But then again, SAO didn't hold up either, so this is mostly about which one can fall the furthest before their second cour expires. I think it'd be pretty hard for Log Horizon to fall as far as SAO did, but SAO also had Kirito × Asuna for the audience to invest in, even if they did abuse it to no end in the second cour.

I'd give Log Horizon a 6/10 at this point, and I'll keep watching it because it's far from doomed. It could still go in interesting directions and do interesting things, I'm just keeping my expectations in check because it won't.

(I'll also keep watching it because I find it fun, but that's the same reason I watched SAO.)

I will now hold still so anyone who wants to throw a pie can do so; just don't put any rocks in them please.

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This cannot be decided at the moment (at least for me) the anime in my terms hasn't really gone anywhere by far so in the later future i shall decide what i think but currently i am at a cross road at the moment
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Insomnist wrote:

I will now hold still so anyone who wants to throw a pie can do so; just don't put any rocks in them please.



I'm not going to throw rocks at you, but I will say you have not even the faintest idea how wrong you are.

I can't really say why, just.... just keep watching.

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Insomnist wrote:

I will now hold still so anyone who wants to throw a pie can do so; just don't put any rocks in them please.



I'm not going to throw rocks at you, but I will say you have not even the faintest idea how wrong you are.

I can't really say why, just.... just keep watching.

Will do, I just don't think it (the anime) has earned the adoration it's being showered with quite yet.

If I am wrong in the long run that'll make me very happy.
Posted 10/13/13
Compared to SAO, but unlike SAO, I don't think there will a sense of danger as (correct me if I'm wrong) Log Horizon isn't a life or death game in that if you die in the game, you are revived and brought back to life.
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Just curious because I see this trend in CR a lot. If someone doesn't like the show or are disappointed.. why do they insist on watching more just to bash it more? Unless that's the purpose? If I don't like something or it doesn't "click" then I just immediately take it off my list and not take the time to log into a thread to continue bash something that doesn't fit my taste. I've seen it with SAO to an extreme and Log Horizon is basically suffering the same fate. Is it just fun to continually harp on it? or do people just have issues letting go? It's like a gamer who rage quits and then spends a month on the forums bashing people who are still playing.. it's like.. wtf. it's subjective entertainment and not to everyone's exact likes and dislikes.

I like how Log Horizon is different (going back to point of thread) but if they listen to the furor of the SAO Hatemongers it will never be as popular which is a shame because it has a totally different feel. Looking forward to the rest of it especially given how it's predicted to be more Twelve Kingdoms in feel.
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Arsenette wrote:

Just curious because I see this trend in CR a lot. If someone doesn't like the show or are disappointed.. why do they insist on watching more just to bash it more? Unless that's the purpose? If I don't like something or it doesn't "click" then I just immediately take it off my list and not take the time to log into a thread to continue bash something that doesn't fit my taste. I've seen it with SAO to an extreme and Log Horizon is basically suffering the same fate. Is it just fun to continually harp on it? or do people just have issues letting go? It's like a gamer who rage quits and then spends a month on the forums bashing people who are still playing.. it's like.. wtf. it's subjective entertainment and not to everyone's exact likes and dislikes.

I like how Log Horizon is different (going back to point of thread) but if they listen to the furor of the SAO Hatemongers it will never be as popular which is a shame because it has a totally different feel. Looking forward to the rest of it especially given how it's predicted to be more Twelve Kingdoms in feel.

I think the people who hated SAO are generally responsible for overhyping Log Horizon, if anything. That was mostly the point of my post, that LH isn't as different compared to SAO as those with agendas would like to think. That said, LH isn't in my "love to hate" guilty pleasure category at all, although I'm not really a devoted fan either.

(I might've gotten carried away though, when I go that far I usually try to tag it appropriately.)

My general point was that after SAO, pretty much all of us had some ideas about how it could've been done better. And now that LH is here, people are projecting onto it so hard they're ignoring anything that doesn't fit. So my rant wasn't so much against the show, but against those types of agendas that paint it as something it's not.

Maybe it will be the perfect antithesis to SAO, but just... baby steps people.

And if I stop enjoying LH I will drop it, I have Unbreakable Machine-Doll to go all Yahtzee over this season.

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And now that LN is here,




what is that




I have Unbreakable Machine-Doll to go all Yahtzee over this season.



Yes. One of my favorites.



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Insomnist wrote:

And now that LN is here,




what is that


Oops; typos corrected.
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Insomnist wrote:

I think the people who hated SAO are generally responsible for overhyping Log Horizon, if anything. That was mostly the point of my post, that LH isn't as different compared to SAO as those with agendas would like to think. That said, LH isn't in my "love to hate" guilty pleasure category at all, although I'm not really a devoted fan either.

(I might've gotten carried away though, when I go that far I usually try to tag it appropriately.)

My general point was that after SAO, pretty much all of us had some ideas about how it could've been done better. And now that LH is here, people are projecting onto it so hard they're ignoring anything that doesn't fit. So my rant wasn't so much against the show, but against those types of agendas that paint it as something it's not.

Maybe it will be the perfect antithesis to SAO, but just... baby steps people.

And if I stop enjoying LH I will drop it, I have Unbreakable Machine-Doll to go all Yahtzee over this season.



It's the over generalization that bugged me more than anything. I'm a 41 year old married straight female and love SAO. I love .hack and so far given the 2 episodes really really like Log Horizon (enough to recommend to all my family and friends who watch anime) so the idea that my "like" for something is thrown into an SAO hate or even comparison bugs me. I didn't come in with any expectations (hell I didn't even know the show existed until I looked over the overview). So I'm sill trying to figure out your statement of "those who hated SAO overhype LN".. because so far those who hated SAO are jumping into LN hoping it's the same so they can bitch about it too... while those who loved both separately are trying to keep the SAO haters from comparing them. They don't feel the same, look the same or even have the same premise. It's not a full dive game. It's not a death game. Heck even the characters aren't a solo person. And so far there isn't even an antagonist. So again.. 2nd episode in and those of us trying to enjoy the show and share the same enjoyment with others who enjoy it have to deal with those going "zomg this sucks".. if it sucks or it's not what people like I wish people would just keep their negativity to themselves. There's plenty on the menu for people to chose from. I wish they would be more considerate of those watching the show. It's not like the manga is going to magically change. It's not like the anime directors/writers are going to read it.. so who is the intended audience?
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