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Post Reply The "Anime is a Cartoon" Argument.
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Posted 6/17/13
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Posted 6/17/13

sjgriffiths wrote:


Now there's a whole other aspect to it, considering that Avatar is directly inspired by Japanese-style animation. If done by the style, as is the general consensus on here, couldn't it be called anime? Or is it excluded from that term simply by its country of origin?

Although I wouldn't call it anime, everyone here seems to be differentiating between 'cartoon' and 'anime' by their drawing style, plot format etc., which leads to some dissonance in cases such as these.


I'm not japanese, I live in the west. I'll call anything made outside of Japan for cartoon, and anything cartoony made in Japan for anime.
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Shrapnel893 wrote:

Anime is a form of cartoon, which is a form of animation. So technically cartoons do have actual stories and character development. Now, there are cartoons in places outside Japan that have both of those things. An example is Avatar: The Last Airbender and its sequel, The Legend of Korra. In France, there is Oban Star Racers and Code Lyoko. As for the difference, the real difference is that anime is a style of animation (cartoon) originating from Japan and it's the abbreviated form of the Japanese word for animation, animēshiyon. To summarize they are the same thing, which is simply animation, and whether it be 2-dimensional or 3-dimensional it doesn't matter. Animation in this sense is defined as the "Process of giving the illusion of movement to drawings, models, or inanimate objects".
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Anime is short for Animation.
Anime is Japanese cartoons, like that's it.
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They have different styles than American cartoons, but they're still cartoons.
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Anime is what the Japanese call animation, so westerners have adopted the term for all animation coming out of the country. Even the childish shows with little to no plot will be classified so. But as many have already said, they are one in the same. I am particularly interested in Japanese anime and manga, but I just tell people I like watching cartoons and reading comics, even with people are familiar with them.
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Generaly I differentiate them by style rather than origin.

As such I regard Avatar as a western anime and panty and stocking as a Japanese cartoon.

But I guess that on this subject ask a hundred people and you'll get a hundred different answers.
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Bleidkhord wrote:

Anime is a cartoon. Like you said, anime is short hand for animation back in japan. Cartoon is also animation,ergo the same. THE DIFFERENCE is style. Anime is eastern style (sometimes can cross western like PSG) and Cartoon is western style (sometimes cross with eastern like the Avatar series)

But bottom lime, they are still on the confines of animation.


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Posted 6/17/13 , edited 6/17/13
Anime is a subset of cartoons created for a Japanese cultural audience.

You could copy the "anime style" perfectly but if you aren't doing it from a Japanese cultural perspective it's not anime. Similarly a Japanese anime could copy an "American style" cartoon or whatever and it would still be anime because that moniker reflects the culture not the superficial elements (heavily abridged from my posts in the earlier Avatar thread).
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Posted 6/17/13 , edited 6/17/13
You know what Japan calls cartoons?

Anime.

What does anime mean?

Animation.


What are cartoons?

Animation.



Hello video showing us Lion King & Kimba
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S0nnCTlcIM

Sometimes even the style is the same, so... It's just a matter of convenience when we call it anime & cartoons.
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Posted 6/17/13 , edited 6/17/13
I'm not sure when it changed...

But cartoons are a form of two-dimensional static art typically with a non-realistic or semi-realistic art style. The stuff in the newspaper by purest definition are cartoons.

Somewhere along the lines animated cartoons simply became cartoons in the West which I think is where the confusion begins.

Animated Cartoons = Anime in Japan.

Animated Cartoons = Cartoons in the West.

In reality it's nothing more than a cultural reference to the same medium.
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I Think it as different mediums.
Anime is type of animation in Japan that has heavy differences.
Cartoon is American that has heavy differences to .
But as a breakdown a Cartoon is a type of American Animation and Anime is a type of Animation in Japan.
There are certain themes and differences then you know whats a anime and what`s a cartoon.
But the Avatar debate can lead to this it has Anime influences but it still in it`s way acts like a cartoon but with a heavy Japanese influence so like a Hybrid?
Anime is more of a slang for the Japanese Style animations you don`t think "Anime" when you see Sponge-bob right?
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Simply put, anime is cartoons aimed at a Japanese audience. All anime comes from Japan, and the Japanese are the first to see it. Avatar is not an anime because it is not produced by the Japanese and the Japanese are not intended audience(Avatar is a Eastern-inspired animation that is done for American audiences).
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Anime has a continuous story. Cartons may not have.
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Posted 6/17/13 , edited 6/17/13

Des85 wrote:

Anime is cartoons, BUT I'll never call Donald Duck or Avatar anime.


Donald Duck? No.

Avatar? Maybe. This series has been commonly marked, at the very least, in discussion as to whether or not it is anime. Many cite the continuous story theme. I would actually do the same. However, Avatar falls short as anime due to the animation itself. The backgrounds and settings make it worthy of being considered anime. They're rather detailed and appeared lifelike. However, the character designs and their movements -- that's where it fell short (in my eyes).

For years, I have argued: to determine anime or not, the distinction is purely visual.
* Cinematics
* Backgrounds and settings
* Character design
* Character movement
And perhaps a few more factors, that I've missed.

Eventually, as Americans get better and better, we will find ourselves viewing an American anime that looks indistinguishable from anime. When (not if) that happens, those sticking to the "anime comes only from Japan" camp will have a problem.


waverat81 wrote:

I'm not sure when it changed...

But cartoons are a form of two-dimensional static art typically with a non-realistic or semi-realistic art style. The stuff in the newspaper by purest definition are cartoons.

Somewhere along the lines animated cartoons simply became cartoons in the West which I think is where the confusion begins.

Animated Cartoons = Anime in Japan.

Animated Cartoons = Cartoons in the West.

In reality it's nothing more than a cultural reference to the same medium.


Culture and Language often fails to categorize Media (which are cultural products) "scientifically".

The whole "anime" term stemmed from the concept of "Japanimation", which seeked to keep Japanese separate from American animation back in the last 80's and early 90's. Since then, anime itself grew and had surpassed American animation both in terms of quality and quantity.


AnimeKami wrote:

The community certainly has evolved.


And finally, the anime community itself has to evolve, in order to accept the prospect of "American anime". However, judging from the history of the "Sub vs Dub" debate, this will not happen without a fight.
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Bleidkhord wrote:

Anime is a cartoon. Like you said, anime is short hand for animation back in japan. Cartoon is also animation,ergo the same. THE DIFFERENCE is style. Anime is eastern style (sometimes can cross western like PSG) and Cartoon is western style (sometimes cross with eastern like the Avatar series)

But bottom lime, they are still on the confines of animation.


^ Agreed.
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