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Post Reply The "Anime is a Cartoon" Argument.
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Posted 4/12/14

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In my mind cartoons are for kids. Anime is based from manga/light novels and is a higher quality of animation and more complex than a cartoon.

E.g Tom & Jerry= Cartoon
Btooom!= Anime



Here's another cartoon pointed at adults:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab4wJ3hN3UU

It's not even bakshi this time!

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Cartoon:
A motion picture using animation techniques to photograph a sequence of drawings rather than real people or objects.
Anime:
Japanese movie and television animation

Cultural difference only.
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Posted 4/12/14 , edited 4/12/14

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valvravefangirl wrote:
The thing is though that is just a real fact since we are all influenced even if we don't want to be by cultural prejudices or a better word would be cultural differences. Anime is different because if it wasn't then this argument wouldn't be here in the first place and all animation would be regarded as similar. We are all shaped by different experiences in different nations and we can't help that but that doesn't make it backwards. What we need to do is realize this and acknowledge it and then continue on to be open-minded despite knowing that.

Cultural differences though the way you mention them seem like people are making things to be as set apart but if anything cultural differences are what make us unique and not cookie cutter. It should be embraced.

Those cultural differences thus lead to unique developments in technology and various other trends in the world and in this case anime.


My whole thing is that people are desperately parsing 'anime' (animation) away from 'cartoons' (animation) because of the specific cultural connotations they have around the word 'cartoon'.

A subset is fine, but to use an example above GI Joe is a LOT more like Gundam than it is like Wizards.



I see what you mean. I mean anime is cartoons if we are referring to it as animation. I guess also what it all comes to though is perhaps the debate going on here is that "anime" and "cartoons" have become so much like slang and pop culture related that as you said 'anime' (animation) is being set apart from 'cartoons' (animation) because of the specific cultural connotations they have around the word 'cartoon'.

Still at this point it will be a disservice to label anime as a cartoon given that in general pop culture it has by now just gained a connection to more western animation. Maybe it is time for people to just see it as a new category because of anime's widespread evolution through the years. I feel it has gone beyond just merely being called a cartoon since anime being called a cartoon really doesn't give it credit.

I am aware that anime is a cartoon-animation although what I want to say is I hope everyone would want to re-evaluate in the way it is refereed to as a cartoon since many people in society see cartoons as children's entertainment. Sometimes I feel what with the world always changing perhaps it is in the best interest of everyone to re-evaluate the way we use words in our pop culture. If this happened perhaps less misunderstandings would happen.
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Anime is a cartton, only gonna say this once more. Anime is an art style of a cartoon. Just like in art you have many painting techniques or in music you have genres. I love anime as much as the other guy, but I am not blinded by my passion not to see that anime is a cartoon.
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Posted 4/30/14 , edited 5/1/14
This is something else. I seen direct descriptions taken from terms and people read them completely wrong.

Colored pictures/Art/Character designs > Manga > Storyboard > Animation > Anime
Colored pictures > Comic > Storyboard > Animation > Cartoon

Are they both animations? Yes. Are they both (literally) devised from comics? Yes
They both become animation, are they both Cartoons? No.
Are they both Anime? No.

Car designed > Car Manufactured > Ford
Car designed > Car Manufactured > Chevy
Car designed > Car Manufactured > Nissan
Car designed > Car Manufactured > Honda

Are they all cars? Yup. Are they all the same, do they drive the same, do they look the same? No
Do they fit a particular purpose or fill a particular need? Yes.

Anime; Fills a particular market for those who like a story driven, plot oriented, goal oriented, emotionally driven, and longer running Animation . Gear towards more age categories; Children, Teens, and Adults alike, even perverts.

Cartoons; Fills a market, usually children or adolescents. While this is not always the case, but it's a majority of the time. Generally using this encapsulation method they generally have shorter stories, and shorter arcs. In this case as well, Cartoons generally don't have the budget or don't try as hard when it comes to animating or creating characters. They try more for simple, funny characters, as generally that's what makes the most money in the US. Things that aren't too hard to grasp for the lower in intelligence. Cartoons, based from comics, and/or comic scripts or a story/character which similarly becomes an animation. In a style of a cartoon. It's not always lower intelligence, though, but that's their general market, there are more people under an average of a 98 IQ in the US. This is just a statistically guided depiction, don't take it too offensively.

Long story short, the difference between anime and cartoons is their encapsulation method. Sure, they have different artistic styles, try and fill certain markets, it's the encapsulation method that sets them so far apart. In the end they are both indeed animated, they are both animations, but they feel, run, air, and are made in a different manner.

Sure, you could call anime cartoons, but would you call a Ford truck a Chevy? Or would you call Chicken, Fish? Just because they are meat? No you wouldn't.

Fact: In Japan only 20% of their market is imported Cartoons(For animated series). Are they American ones? Likely not the full 20%, but I'm not sure how it's divided up.

Question: If Cartoons were indeed the same as anime, or Japanese people felt the same way foreigners do(Cartoons are anime), you would think that Cartoons would have a better market share, but they don't. Why?
Answer: It's probably because they are more different than you think.

Question: Why does Wikipedia refer to anime as anime when looking for anime released in a particular year, and not Japanese cartoons, or Japanese animation?
Answer: Because Wikipedia also wishes to differentiate them.

Question: Why do dictionaries also describe them differently, though refer to them as animation of different cultures?
Answer: Because they are different.

Extra: Things that stray away from their culture, or try to be like something else, regardless end up failing one way or another, or show their roots some how. Avatar, while the animation is clearly somewhat better than normal cartoons, it's not anime. It doesn't look, feel, run, or appeal to the same audience size a shonen anime would. I watched the first arch/season on Avatar, while I didn't mind the animation, the story and the characters were too American/Cartoony. Hentalia, trying to be a cartoon, looks like an anime, but fails to appeal to me as an anime I would watch, because it went down the road of the less appealing. Fairy Tail, also more cartoonish in style, fails in the general encapsulation method set precedent by other shonen, so it'll never be as popular as say Naruto, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho, Hunter x Hunter, or other similarly long running anime. So it's true. They can try to be anime, or try to be Cartoons, but I will always know, and will always be able to tell the difference. People will ignore the truth, even when it's right in front of them. If you told people you were an aesthetician, and told them that anime is cartoons, nobody would ever take you seriously.
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Of course anime is a cartoon. And to a Japanese person, anime literally means animation of all kinds.

The problem is when people use this argument to belittle anime. Cartoons are just as worthy as any other form of media.
Posted 4/30/14
In person, I sometimes would refer to it as "cartoons" when I was talking to people that clearly loved anime though they saw a significantly smaller amount of shows I have. I would do it to see their reaction.

I don't really care if people say they are cartoons. I like open minded people that won't rage over trivial things. I don't care if people go with the "all anime are cartoons, but not all cartoons are anime approach" - it all doesn't matter, lol.
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Uggghhhhhhhhh... can't believe this thread got revived AGAIN!
Anime is technically a cartoon, anime fans view the term as an insulting generalization to the massive medium that is anime, can we please agree on this!?
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Well...it depends on what you mean by "anime". If the term is understood to mean animated cartoons originating from Japan, then of course anime are cartoons. But if the term "anime" is taken to refer simply to animated works in general the term is no longer interchangeable with "cartoon". Not all cartoons are animated, and for that matter not everything that's animated is a cartoon.
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MadGuru636 wrote:

Uggghhhhhhhhh... can't believe this thread got revived AGAIN!
Anime is technically a cartoon, anime fans view the term as an insulting generalization to the massive medium that is anime, can we please agree on this!?


I only follow the true depiction of it. Not what American's want, or do to it. A reason I stopped paying for a subscription to CR. They started censoring, after censorship comes butchering, if I wanted that I'd watch Toonami or some other American garbage like Adult Swim.
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Yes, anime are cartoons, they are just from Japan lol

I think some people get angry when they are called cartoons, because when most of us think of cartoons, we think of shows for little kids, and it sounds insulting. Most people outside our anime world see anime as being the same as our childhood Nickelodeon shows or something and lump them together. They fail to realize that not all cartoons are for children and that it can be made to cater to adults or teens.

I think I digressed a little there, lol.
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alextepes wrote:

A reason I stopped paying for a subscription to CR. They started censoring, after censorship comes butchering,

CR didn't "start" censoring.

Any time they acquire a simulcast, they get the same version as the terrestrial broadcast stations in Japan, and those are often censored (more often than not likely to boost DVD/BD sales rather than meet standards, but that's another discussion). Sometimes a premium satellite channel like AT-X will have an uncensored or less censored version, but that channel costs around 3 times as much per month as a CR subscription.

CR certainly doesn't have a problem with more explicit content. Looking at a library title like the original Queen's Blade series or Samurai Girls will confirm that quickly enough.

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