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Why I Hate Online Achievements
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Achievements on the 360 (and Trophies on PS3) have made gaming more fun and have given gamers new goals while gaming. However, there are several games that have online achievements, and while online gaming has become an important aspect of the gaming community, online achievements have no place in games. Here are a few reasons why:

-Games that have been out for a while: When a game has been out for a good few years or the next game in the series is released, less and less people will play online. This means if you weren't able to get a hold of the game until much after it was released or until after the subsequent games were released, the likelihood of you being able to play online isn't that great. I mean, you can still access the online portion of the game, but how many people are playing it now? You might get lucky and find some people who are also in the same dilemma or who still like the game, but for the most part, the amount of people playing older games online is going to be significantly less than newer games.

-Affording Xbox Live: I suppose since PSN is free, this one isn't as much of a problem for Trophies. However, Xbox players have to deal with the issue of whether or not they can afford Xbox Live. If they can't, whether it be because their parents won't buy it for them or because they have other things the need to pay for, like bills and groceries, this means they can't play online. Now they have all these games where they have all or almost all of the offline achievements, but they can't complete the game achievement wise.

-Conditional Achievements: You know, those achievements that you have to play on a certain map in a certain game variant and do a certain thing? Yeah, those. The thing you have to do is probably pretty easy, but if you're unable to play on the certain map with the certain game variant, you'll probably never get these kinds of achievements, not without boosting. Halo: Reach is notorious for this: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Achievements_for_Halo:_Reach

And there are achievements like this: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/dead-or-alive-5/achievement/70374-DOA5-Is-My-Life.html Seriously? Without boosting, 1000 fights online is hours worth of play. With boosting, it still takes time. Plus, I'm the kind of person that, with certain games, I like to get achievements properly. There are some games I'll boost/cheat to get achievements, but DOA isn't one of them. My pride causes me to want to do this one right, which I don't always have the time and money for. But, considering I only have 6 achievements left, I can't ignore it either, since I'm that close to finishing.

I see why online achievements are put into games, since online play is such an integral part of gaming now, but online achievements are also seriously flawed and shouldn't be featured as achievements at all. Or, perhaps once a player completes all offline achievements, the game could be counted as finished, then if they get all the online achievements as well, the game can be counted as completed.
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Yeah I kind of hate achievements in these games and whatnot as well. I know a lot of people that are "achievement whores" in that they would spend a ton of effort in getting some silly achievement.

IMO the worst kind of achievement would probably be something like "do this 5000" times. God. How are these even achievements when all I've done is the same thing countless times? It's pretty effective and keeping people playing though, and that's probably one reason why these achievements exist in the first place.

I wish they were actually meaningful. It just feels like every game these days have a bunch of silly achievements that I couldn't really care less about, and it's really annoying playing with people that hardcore CARE about them.

I have no problems moving onto the next title after I've run through one. For achievements on websites like CR, I never really care about any of them nor paid attention to any of them. It's not that I don't like having a sense of achievement or anything, I just find it more worthwhile to be achieving other things like arranging a piece of music.
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I'm actually talking more about online specific achievements, not achievements in general. Though, online achievements also cause people to become "achievement whores" as you have said. These are the people who are so focused on getting achievements that they don't care about their team and end up screwing people over because they're more worried about getting the achievement. Achievement hunting is better to do on your own time.

Also, I do agree that "do this x # of times" achievements are completely pointless and are basically rewarding you for playing the game. However, those difficult offline achievement that you try and try to get then finally getting the achievement to pop up on the screen is very satisfying.
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I don't go for achievements if they are too specific or overly time consuming, like doing something specific on a certain map like a thousand times. I will go for the ones that require one to be good at the game though. To be honest though I don't see a problem with online achievements, but I'm not the kind of person who will aim for 100% completion of them either.
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I only really aim for 100% completion for my favorite games. Or when I was dog/house sitting for my boyfriend's family and had nothing better to do but achievement hunt in Monopoly... I have 1 achievement left.

I actually really like achievements, but I know there are some games I'm not going to get every achievement in, especially if they have a lot of online achievements or I'm only mildly interested in them. There's also the issue of getting like one or two achievements in a game you ended up not liking... That is annoying. -_-
Posted 6/19/13

WednesdayBookLove wrote:

Achievements on the 360 (and Trophies on PS3) have made gaming more fun and have given gamers new goals while gaming. However, there are several games that have online achievements, and while online gaming has become an important aspect of the gaming community, online achievements have no place in games. Here are a few reasons why:

-Games that have been out for a while: When a game has been out for a good few years or the next game in the series is released, less and less people will play online. This means if you weren't able to get a hold of the game until much after it was released or until after the subsequent games were released, the likelihood of you being able to play online isn't that great. I mean, you can still access the online portion of the game, but how many people are playing it now? You might get lucky and find some people who are also in the same dilemma or who still like the game, but for the most part, the amount of people playing older games online is going to be significantly less than newer games.

-Affording Xbox Live: I suppose since PSN is free, this one isn't as much of a problem for Trophies. However, Xbox players have to deal with the issue of whether or not they can afford Xbox Live. If they can't, whether it be because their parents won't buy it for them or because they have other things the need to pay for, like bills and groceries, this means they can't play online. Now they have all these games where they have all or almost all of the offline achievements, but they can't complete the game achievement wise.

-Conditional Achievements: You know, those achievements that you have to play on a certain map in a certain game variant and do a certain thing? Yeah, those. The thing you have to do is probably pretty easy, but if you're unable to play on the certain map with the certain game variant, you'll probably never get these kinds of achievements, not without boosting. Halo: Reach is notorious for this: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Achievements_for_Halo:_Reach

And there are achievements like this: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/dead-or-alive-5/achievement/70374-DOA5-Is-My-Life.html Seriously? Without boosting, 1000 fights online is hours worth of play. With boosting, it still takes time. Plus, I'm the kind of person that, with certain games, I like to get achievements properly. There are some games I'll boost/cheat to get achievements, but DOA isn't one of them. My pride causes me to want to do this one right, which I don't always have the time and money for. But, considering I only have 6 achievements left, I can't ignore it either, since I'm that close to finishing.

I see why online achievements are put into games, since online play is such an integral part of gaming now, but online achievements are also seriously flawed and shouldn't be featured as achievements at all. Or, perhaps once a player completes all offline achievements, the game could be counted as finished, then if they get all the online achievements as well, the game can be counted as completed.


*bows to you* You are very wise and completely agree with all of the above.

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I hate it when a damn game has multiplayer achievements and the multiplayer isn't even popular. I was pissed when RE5 got the versus mode cause it not only took RE5 off my completed list but the versus mode SUCKS. Even trying to find people to help you boost on there is a pain from what I can tell.

Also it's very refreshing to see other people who actually value achievements/trophies as opposed to the usual thing I see of I'M GONNA GET EVERY SINGLE ONE ON THIS CAUSE CAUSE THEY'RE EASY. Thats why I liked the way Giantbomb had theirs for awhile, because they listed achievements by rarity.
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By the way, how is it an achievement to spend hours of time online fighting random people you don't know? Don't you have better things to do with your time?

And to make the Fight Online 1000 Times achievement even worse... There are in-game titles in DOA5 that require you to WIN online 1000 times with EVERY character. Are you fucking kidding me? I don't normally post memes but,
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Not a fan of multi-player/online achievements. I think one of the most ridiculous ones was "Play over 5,000 ranked multi-player matches" that is in Quake 4. I don't have the time or interest to even attempt that.

Or better yet, try obtaining any online achievement for Vampire Rain or Damnation... not gonna happen.
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Why can't developers see that online achievements have a few very huge flaws? Sure, it seems like a great way to get gamers interested in playing online... Oh wait, gamers already love playing online, why do they incentive? In the end online achievements do more harm than good.
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I don't mind the whole achievements thing in games as long as they don't function as content or item locks till completed...
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I am a slight achievement whore but can see the frustration it can bring. I don't believe online achievements do more harm, they aren't forcing you to try and get them, its an optional bonus, I feel I get more for my money when I get achievements as oppose to playing through a game and never touching it again. With the new achievement system they are bringing with the xbox one it should make things more interesting. http://www.neowin.net/news/e3-2013-microsoft-on-xbox-ones-new-achievement-system
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Libara wrote:

I am a slight achievement whore but can see the frustration it can bring. I don't believe online achievements do more harm, they aren't forcing you to try and get them, its an optional bonus, I feel I get more for my money when I get achievements as oppose to playing through a game and never touching it again. With the new achievement system they are bringing with the xbox one it should make things more interesting. http://www.neowin.net/news/e3-2013-microsoft-on-xbox-ones-new-achievement-system


While they do up the reply value, there are also frustrating situations like the one my boyfriend is in. He has all but one achievement in Halo 3:ODST, which is this one: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Vidmaster_Challenge:_Endure Since ODST isn't the most popular Halo game, he pretty much has to rely on finding 3 friends who are good at Firefight on Heroic and are willing to do this, which will probably take a good few hours. I'm willing to help, but no one else seems interested. This ONE online achievement is preventing him from completing the achievements for this game. This is my point in saying online achievements are harmful.

Also, there are plenty of games I'll still play whether or not I'm going for achievements. They're not my only incentive to play. Plus, before 360 and PS3, achievements and trophies didn't exist and online play wasn't where it is today, so what kept people playing then?
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Libara wrote:

I am a slight achievement whore but can see the frustration it can bring. I don't believe online achievements do more harm, they aren't forcing you to try and get them, its an optional bonus, I feel I get more for my money when I get achievements as oppose to playing through a game and never touching it again. With the new achievement system they are bringing with the xbox one it should make things more interesting. http://www.neowin.net/news/e3-2013-microsoft-on-xbox-ones-new-achievement-system


While they do up the reply value, there are also frustrating situations like the one my boyfriend is in. He has all but one achievement in Halo 3:ODST, which is this one: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Vidmaster_Challenge:_Endure Since ODST isn't the most popular Halo game, he pretty much has to rely on finding 3 friends who are good at Firefight on Heroic and are willing to do this, which will probably take a good few hours. I'm willing to help, but no one else seems interested. This ONE online achievement is preventing him from completing the achievements for this game. This is my point in saying online achievements are harmful.

Also, there are plenty of games I'll still play whether or not I'm going for achievements. They're not my only incentive to play. Plus, before 360 and PS3, achievements and trophies didn't exist and online play wasn't where it is today, so what kept people playing then?


I understand that, I would be all for 2 separate sections for achievements, offline and online. So if you do complete all offline achievements for a game it would display that. Games still keep us interested today, the achievements are just an added extra to keep people playing longer, also it means that certain games that may not be very good but have easy achievements will get bought by a few achievement hunters
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Bad as online achievements may be I honestly don't think they're as bad as the entirety of the Star Ocean 4 set.

At least with online achievements the average person still has a chance of getting all of them before going insane.
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