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Post Reply Why is make-up viewed so negatively?
Posted 10/12/13

firefox39 wrote:

Haha, I could just help you and say propaganda created by the media and big business warping the world into thinking you're not pretty without their product, but ok.


Ugh there is something else. What i'm looking for is not the pretty, ego, confidence or fun part. It's more the reflection. Most people don't see the point of make up but they notice it. It's like the warrior thing you mentioned.
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Posted 10/12/13

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firefox39 wrote:

Haha, I could just help you and say propaganda created by the media and big business warping the world into thinking you're not pretty without their product, but ok.


Ugh there is something else. What i'm looking for is not the pretty, ego, confidence or fun part. It's more the reflection. Most people don't see the point of make up but they notice it. It's like the warrior thing you mentioned.


See previous comment above.
Posted 10/12/13 , edited 10/12/13

firefox39 wrote:

See previous comment above.


But i'm not talking about the person that wears it. I think all along I was focusing on why you thought that way...
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Posted 10/12/13

-tion wrote:


firefox39 wrote:

See previous comment above.


But i'm not talking about the person that wears it.


I know, but the first part says why people despise it (well, to me anyway). It's all just a reflection of human nature. Nobody wants to look at how brutal we really can become. That's what you're probably looking for, which is why you probably are so drawn to the idea. I've just said what nobody here is wanting to say. We are the most brutal animals on the planet, yet we don't want to look at that. In order to do so, we've starting saying "We're better than animals" instead of accepting "We are animals".
Posted 10/12/13

firefox39 wrote:


-tion wrote:


firefox39 wrote:

Haha, I could just help you and say propaganda created by the media and big business warping the world into thinking you're not pretty without their product, but ok.


Hmm.. I used to think that was all but I liked your warrior Idea, i noticed rock music is used a lot like for Rimmel London. It's almost like a lucky charm now or feeling naked without clothes.


The warrior idea is my true feelings as to why we as humans despise people with tattoos and make up. The big business idea comes from why people these days are more insecure about themselves than those in the past. Well, the more insecure people idea is more a first world thing than it is a developing world thing, but that's pretty much where I was trying to go. Oh, and yes, I have a tattoo. I've also been a fighter all my life.


Okay, so you're saying people despise makeup, yet makeup industry is selling like crazy? I think it's a minority who despise makeup. I think warpaint is applied in such a way to incite fear, but I think makeup is applied to generate aesthetic appeal, I don't think they're used the same way.

There are the kinds of makeup that sorta intimidate, like heavily smoky eyeshadows, sure. But I think we associate those with certain female archetypes, not with warriors and their warpaint.

Tattoo might be despised by a larger crowd, but that's because of its associations with delinquents, and maybe aspects of its permanent application and the pain generated in the process associate it with a certain kind of bravado.
Posted 10/12/13

firefox39 wrote:


-tion wrote:


firefox39 wrote:

See previous comment above.


But i'm not talking about the person that wears it.


I know, but the first part says why people despise it (well, to me anyway). It's all just a reflection of human nature. Nobody wants to look at how brutal we really can become. That's what you're probably looking for, which is why you probably are so drawn to the idea. I've just said what nobody here is wanting to say. We are the most brutal animals on the planet, yet we don't want to look at that. In order to do so, we've starting saying "We're better than animals" instead of accepting "We are animals".


lol, I didn't even read the title of the thread . Yes, I was probably drawn to it because of that. People who view it negatively might actually feel alienated, like it's a secret they want a part of but can't and they don't understand why it is that they have an opinion on it. And for those that wear it, it's like a second nature after practice but originally they wanted a part of it and develop the ritual in which they separate somehow...perhaps.
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Posted 10/12/13

-tion wrote:


firefox39 wrote:


-tion wrote:


firefox39 wrote:

See previous comment above.


But i'm not talking about the person that wears it.


I know, but the first part says why people despise it (well, to me anyway). It's all just a reflection of human nature. Nobody wants to look at how brutal we really can become. That's what you're probably looking for, which is why you probably are so drawn to the idea. I've just said what nobody here is wanting to say. We are the most brutal animals on the planet, yet we don't want to look at that. In order to do so, we've starting saying "We're better than animals" instead of accepting "We are animals".


lol, I didn't even read the title of the thread . Yes, I was probably drawn to it because of that. People who view it negatively might actually feel alienated, like it's a secret they want a part of but can't and they don't understand why it is that they have an opinion on it. And for those that wear it, it's like a second nature after practice but originally they wanted a part of it and develop the ritual in which they separate somehow...perhaps.


Now you're getting it.
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Posted 10/12/13
People who judge others for their appearance (ie. make up) are the ones who should be viewed negatively.

The world doesn't revolve around you and your standards of appearance.
Posted 10/12/13

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Now you're getting it.


Sensei T_T

Peace. I'm done with this thread lolol.
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Posted 10/12/13

Tolfest wrote:


firefox39 wrote:


-tion wrote:


firefox39 wrote:

Haha, I could just help you and say propaganda created by the media and big business warping the world into thinking you're not pretty without their product, but ok.


Hmm.. I used to think that was all but I liked your warrior Idea, i noticed rock music is used a lot like for Rimmel London. It's almost like a lucky charm now or feeling naked without clothes.


The warrior idea is my true feelings as to why we as humans despise people with tattoos and make up. The big business idea comes from why people these days are more insecure about themselves than those in the past. Well, the more insecure people idea is more a first world thing than it is a developing world thing, but that's pretty much where I was trying to go. Oh, and yes, I have a tattoo. I've also been a fighter all my life.


Okay, so you're saying people despise makeup, yet makeup industry is selling like crazy? I think it's a minority who despise makeup. I think warpaint is applied in such a way to incite fear, but I think makeup is applied to generate aesthetic appeal, I don't think they're used the same way.

There are the kinds of makeup that sorta intimidate, like heavily smoky eyeshadows, sure. But I think we associate those with certain female archetypes, not with warriors and their warpaint.

Tattoo might be despised by a larger crowd, but that's because of its associations with delinquents, and maybe aspects of its permanent application and the pain generated in the process associate it with a certain kind of bravado.


Here's my questions: Why did we start wearing make up as a species to begin with? Why war paint? Why is it almost everybody that fights has tattoos? None of it has anything to do with looking pretty in my personal opinion. Rather, it is a builder of confidence. People buy makeup to feel more confident about themselves beauty wise nowadays, but it originally derived from war paint, which was used to build confidence of the troops and to intimidate the enemy. War paint probably came from when we were hunting for food to camouflage ourselves from both prey and predators; that I do not know. I think it's not makeup per say that's what people find uncomforting; rather, it;s the excessive use because it looks like they are out for a fight.
Posted 10/12/13 , edited 10/12/13

justapersonwatchinganime wrote:

People who judge others for their appearance (ie. make up) are the ones who should be viewed negatively.

The world doesn't revolve around you and your standards of appearance.


Oh hell....

Look, some of us just wanna mate with something pretty. Simple as that. We don't want uggos for mating. I think the animals do it too, they instinctively go for the fit types. Translated back to humans : lush hair, fresh skin, red lips, full lashes, they're all signs of fitness, WHICH can be artificially generated by makeup. It's appeal, not fear, I think. But morally, this artificial mimicry IS somewhat fake. So from moral standpoint some people object.
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Posted 10/12/13

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justapersonwatchinganime wrote:

People who judge others for their appearance (ie. make up) are the ones who should be viewed negatively.

The world doesn't revolve around you and your standards of appearance.


Oh hell....

Look, some of us just wanna mate with something pretty. Simple as that. We don't want uggos for mating. I think the animals do it too, they instinctively go for the fit types. Translated back to humans : lush hair, fresh skin, red lips, full lashes, they're all signs of fitness, WHICH can be artificially generated by makeup. It's appeal, not fear, I think. But morally, this artificial mimicry IS somewhat fake. So from moral standpoint some people object.


And those people are selfcentered and misguided.
If you don't find people with makeup attractive - fine. But to imply that they are immoral is so incredibly selfish and ignorant - people don't exist to satisfy your standards of genuine appeal. People are not things and objects.
Posted 10/12/13 , edited 10/12/13

firefox39 wrote:


Tolfest wrote:


firefox39 wrote:


-tion wrote:


firefox39 wrote:

Haha, I could just help you and say propaganda created by the media and big business warping the world into thinking you're not pretty without their product, but ok.


Hmm.. I used to think that was all but I liked your warrior Idea, i noticed rock music is used a lot like for Rimmel London. It's almost like a lucky charm now or feeling naked without clothes.


The warrior idea is my true feelings as to why we as humans despise people with tattoos and make up. The big business idea comes from why people these days are more insecure about themselves than those in the past. Well, the more insecure people idea is more a first world thing than it is a developing world thing, but that's pretty much where I was trying to go. Oh, and yes, I have a tattoo. I've also been a fighter all my life.


Okay, so you're saying people despise makeup, yet makeup industry is selling like crazy? I think it's a minority who despise makeup. I think warpaint is applied in such a way to incite fear, but I think makeup is applied to generate aesthetic appeal, I don't think they're used the same way.

There are the kinds of makeup that sorta intimidate, like heavily smoky eyeshadows, sure. But I think we associate those with certain female archetypes, not with warriors and their warpaint.

Tattoo might be despised by a larger crowd, but that's because of its associations with delinquents, and maybe aspects of its permanent application and the pain generated in the process associate it with a certain kind of bravado.


Here's my questions: Why did we start wearing make up as a species to begin with? Why war paint? Why is it almost everybody that fights has tattoos? None of it has anything to do with looking pretty in my personal opinion. Rather, it is a builder of confidence. People buy makeup to feel more confident about themselves beauty wise nowadays, but it originally derived from war paint, which was used to build confidence of the troops and to intimidate the enemy. War paint probably came from when we were hunting for food to camouflage ourselves from both prey and predators; that I do not know. I think it's not makeup per say that's what people find uncomforting; rather, it;s the excessive use because it looks like they are out for a fight.


I think, in the old days when 14-year-olds didn't wear makeup, the adults who did did it to regain the features they've lost. Around mid 20's flushed cheeks, luscious lips, full lashes have usually gone. That's my theory why women enhanced themselves. But of course by now it's all gone crazy. The kids who have all the natural assets are just imitating adult public figures in reverse.

I agree, excessive makeup is scary and not inviting. There's this trend with smoky eyes and women got it in their heads that those are hot, and I think the men disagree. But come on, makeup applied in the right amount, does make a person physically more appealing.
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True, but that doesn't really explain why excessive makeup is not appealing and why the right amount is. I do see your point as to why people nowadays use makeup to accentuate their looks, though, and it does make sense, but why would we as a species have started using makeup to begin with?
Posted 10/12/13 , edited 10/12/13

justapersonwatchinganime wrote:


Tolfest wrote:


justapersonwatchinganime wrote:

People who judge others for their appearance (ie. make up) are the ones who should be viewed negatively.

The world doesn't revolve around you and your standards of appearance.


Oh hell....

Look, some of us just wanna mate with something pretty. Simple as that. We don't want uggos for mating. I think the animals do it too, they instinctively go for the fit types. Translated back to humans : lush hair, fresh skin, red lips, full lashes, they're all signs of fitness, WHICH can be artificially generated by makeup. It's appeal, not fear, I think. But morally, this artificial mimicry IS somewhat fake. So from moral standpoint some people object.


And those people are selfcentered and misguided.
If you don't find people with makeup attractive - fine. But to imply that they are immoral is so incredibly selfish and ignorant - people don't exist to satisfy your standards of genuine appeal. People are not things and objects.


I DO find people with makeup attractive (sorry if my use of the word "moral" was a bit strong), it's just that when your gf spends 2 hours getting ready everytime she steps out, when she constantly tries to maintain the artificial look as the only one that can be publicly seen, sometimes you just want a different gf XD (One who's NATURALLY pretty!!!!! KIDDDDIIIING!!!!)

And I find 13, 14-year-olds wearing makeup gross, but they're starting to become the norm these days.
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