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Why is make-up viewed so negatively?
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Posted 6/27/13

VeniVidiVici- wrote:

First of all OP mentioned make up being art, she obviously is talking more than "general make up"
And the world views make up NEGATIVELY? REALLY ASAINBOY? because YOU said so? Because you're the world? Conceited much?

And wth does that second to last second even mean? OP asked for your opinion when she said what do people think. And you put yourself in the shoes of the negative minded people? Go figure its your own shoes.

Oh defensive are we? Well you should feel that way after spouting a bunch if crap.



UGH. You don't understand what I'm trying to say.



The thread title is: "why-is-make-up-viewed-so-negatively?" SO IT ISN'T MY OPINION ONLY. It's the OP's ASSERTION that people view makeup as a negative thing. And I agree to that. I agree that MOST PEOPLE (THE world) does view it as negatively so I wrote my response accordingly.


This is my personal opinion on makeup: I MYSELF don't view it negative, I don't give two f...ks if people use makeup. On the train or whatever. I simply don't view it as "art".


This is me putting myself in the shoes of people who DO view makeup negatively: "They are vain, insecure or fake". And vanity is one of the reason I MYSELF use makeup.


The OP did not ask for MY PERSONAL opinion. They asked what I think, so I can type whatever I think. I'm not obliged to YOUR rules.


The OP did not say anything about makeup in FILM and Arts. They just said the reason they use makeup is for artistic purposes.




SO I am done here. If you still can't understand what I'm trying to say, then I have nothing else to say to you.
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VeniVidiVici- wrote:



Let's see...
Do the words, vanity, insecurity and fake come to mind when I say makeup?
That's why it's viewed negatively, because people who use makeup are vain or insecure or just plain fake.


And WTF@ people calling makeup an "art form"? Are you serious?
Art is something done with passion and inspiration, not some 5 minutes brush up on a train to work. Omg, Michelangelo must be rolling in his grave
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YOU went and laughed about makeup WASN'T art, YOU said people who use make up are who use makeup are vain or insecure or just plain fake, thats what YOU said, now you're back tracking.

Just fess up or shut up.


Because you know what's going on inside my head?

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Posted 6/27/13

VeniVidiVici- wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:



Because you know what's going on inside my head?



Really? I'm basing this on what you yourself commented, and you said that you're done being defensive.

Why even defend yourself unless----thats what you think?



I defend myself because you post bullshit about me when I didn't mean it that way.


IF i want to think people who use makeup are vain, why would I be scared of saying that?

I'm not like you, I don't try to act like a saint on the internet. I say what I feel.
Posted 6/27/13
I wonder if I should see my friends now or keep my distance since I'll be back to my arsehole self tomorrow anyway.
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Flame on!
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haha veni and gay are amusing, *eats popcorn*
OT
(quick fact) Make-up companies buy the grease that waste-water treatment plants dispose in barrels.
true story I worked at a treatment plant ... >.>;
still, girls look pretty with some make-up on (do not over use plz)
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sillyriri wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:

Let's see...
Do the words, vanity, insecurity and fake come to mind when I say makeup?
That's why it's viewed negatively, because people who use makeup are vain or insecure or just plain fake.


And WTF@ people calling makeup an "art form"? Are you serious?
Art is something done with passion and inspiration, not some 5 minutes brush up on a train to work. Omg, Michelangelo must be rolling in his grave.

Do you also see people wearing clothes other than basic necessities as vain, insecure, and fake, too? Afterall, they're trying to make their appearance different to how it would naturally be. They're trying to make themselves look a way that makes them feel good. They might be trying to make themselves more attractive. Clearly, that's terrible.


http://browse.deviantart.com/traditional/bodyart/cosmetic/makeup/?order=9
You're right, there's no passion or effort here. There is no feeling being expressed.



Clothes are unnatural. No other animals beside humans wear them. But it's necessary for survial (insulation against temperature), while makeup is not. And I'm only answering the question, "Why is makeup viewed as a negative thing". I'm just giving the answers?


This thread is obviously talking about people who use makeup as a general thing, not for artistic purposes in film and arts.

Posting on a public forum is inviting people to challenge what you've said. I disagreed, and therefore responded. It's not a personal attack on you, just the nature of discussion.

Right, we wear clothes to survive, but if vanity is always negative, then anything other than undyed plainly shaped clothes must be negative too. Different colours and styles are almost all about appearance rather than practicality, with the exception of black (to absorb heat) or white (to reflect it). But clothes don't get the same judgement.

I still resent the idea that make up can't be art. Even everyday, low key makeup can be. If I wear yellow eyeshadow because I'm feeling happy, I'm expressing and communicating something in a way people can see, That is a very basic definition of a visual art.

Personally, I don't see what's negative about using makeup for vanity or because of insecurities anyway? Whatever makes people feel good, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, is always a plus in my eyes. As for being 'fake', no one is 100% honest and upfront with everyone they meet; so, really, it's a pretty hypocritical thing to call other people.

ETA: Also, just caught up reading this thread, and understand that with the exception of the art thing you were going for a general answer rather than your personal answer, so feel free to take this as a rebuttal of the general view rather than something directly aimed at you.
Posted 6/27/13
Makeup smears mostly and makes us look worse if it's not just the right type of makeup or the cheap kind. Make up literally is way too expensive and some girls were never taught the right kind of tricks.

Including me. I mean I get home from work sometimes looking like a racoon, and I wipe it off and sulk.
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I was surprised that there are stuff like old age make up used in films.

I always thought, "how long are they gonna wait to make this person look older? They'll wait for years for that? So, this film is 10 years in the making?"

Yes, that's one of my gullible moments.
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Make up is fine as long as it doesn't say "Natural look" on the cover. The only problem I have with makeup, is when girls use it to make themselves look natural. If you put makeup on, at least admit you are covering up everything that is natural, not accenting it. Though, after you can admit that, I don't personally care. Have a nice personality, care about your hygiene and you are already above the average for girls. Regardless of what you look like, or what makeup you put on.
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Make-up is good but as long as it's in moderation.. As long as you don't put on so much to the point where you're face looks completely artifical, your fine.
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Do women still not realize that the only people who care about makeup are other women? It's mostly the same story with the 80 pairs of shoes and other junk as well. Sure it's not always the case, but most guys I think would rather see little to no makeup on a woman. I myself see crap like that as an artificial mask, I'd rather see a woman as she is, rather than who she pretends to be (granted outward appearance is only a small fraction of that). I don't even care if they look better with some makeup on as some do, but most don't. Also I've seen women cake on so much makeup they don't even look human anymore, and that's just creepy. As for tattoos, well I don't like them but a lot of people do, I don't mind much if the tattoos are limited. Again though, I've seen more than a few people with tattoos all over their body which is just disgusting looking as far as I'm concerned, not attractive at all. Oh and remember, that nice fresh crisp looking tattoo you got recently that your so proud of? In 10 or 15 years it fades and distorts and doesn't look as it once did. That is an issue more for the person with the tattoo than for anyone else though and there are certain places on the body that lessen the age impact.

As with most everything else people will choose to do as they please regardless and that's their business. Just remember that most guys don't care, only your women friends do most of the time. Also remember that there are exceptions on both sides. Also I wasted enough time talking on here I need sleep, so just do whatever your going to do anyways. Be half ways informed if you care to be.
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sillyriri wrote:

Posting on a public forum is inviting people to challenge what you've said. I disagreed, and therefore responded. It's not a personal attack on you, just the nature of discussion.

Right, we wear clothes to survive, but if vanity is always negative, then anything other than undyed plainly shaped clothes must be negative too. Different colours and styles are almost all about appearance rather than practicality, with the exception of black (to absorb heat) or white (to reflect it). But clothes don't get the same judgement.

I still resent the idea that make up can't be art. Even everyday, low key makeup can be. If I wear yellow eyeshadow because I'm feeling happy, I'm expressing and communicating something in a way people can see, That is a very basic definition of a visual art.

Personally, I don't see what's negative about using makeup for vanity or because of insecurities anyway? Whatever makes people feel good, as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, is always a plus in my eyes. As for being 'fake', no one is 100% honest and upfront with everyone they meet; so, really, it's a pretty hypocritical thing to call other people.

ETA: Also, just caught up reading this thread, and understand that with the exception of the art thing you were going for a general answer rather than your personal answer, so feel free to take this as a rebuttal of the general view rather than something directly aimed at you.



Thanks for understanding why I wrote that comment and what perspective I'm coming from.


As for clothes, as much as I don't see how it is related to makeup (because humans evolved to wearing clothes but not makeup), certain clothing items can be viewed as a negative thing; for example miniskirts on women, or skinny jeans or tight clothes on men.
People are somehow more comfortable with other men wearing more simple stuff like loose jeans and shirt or for women, nothing too gimmicky.


Well, everyone is vain in their own way, but because we don't show it in public, people don't disapprove of our ways. For example, in the house, a person might look at the mirror for 10 minutes, but that person wouldn't do that in public for fear of being viewed as a vain person.
But makeup is like a physical proof showing the world that you're vain, therefore people instantly disapprove of that.

The same thing can be said for plastic surgeries, when women get breast implants, people will disapprove of that (even men who secretly love them, they disapprove because others disapprove).



As for general makeup being art - because your definition of art differs from mine. My definition of art goes beyond expression, it's something that involves inspiration, that's why I don't think it fits under that definition.

But I'm not stomping my feet and expecting people to follow what I believe, that's why I joked in my first post, "Michelangelo must be rolling in his grave".
When Michelangelo was alive, he disapproved of paintings, he said that only "sculptures" can be considered art. His definition of art was even more restricted than mine.
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I don't really have a problem with make up, I have a problem with societies obsession with perfection and that leading to the thought that women need to wear makeup.

Personally I don't like wearing makeup (and when I do it is very light and natural) because I feel fake doing it. Not to say that everyone who wear makeup is fake, it's just I'm not the type of person who is into makeup and fashion so I don't' feel like I'm being true to myself when I do wear makeup. Also my feeling is if you are the type of person who is offended by my natural appearance then why would I want to associate with you in the first place? Basically my philosophy is, "I am who I am so either take it or leave it because I'm not changing for you," and really what does it matter what other people think? If they can't accept that you like makeup then forget them and find people who will accept you for who you are.
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this thread is full of dumb asses
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Its the same reason as to why we bathe and mask our natural pheromones with store-bought fragrances. Everything we do is to fit in to societies standards. About it being viewed negatively though, I just think its mostly women who think that way. I mean come on, how many people actually complain about men using too much hair product. [Double standards are hilarious.]

In my opinion makeup isn't a good or bad thing, seeing as how beauty is in the eye of the beholder. As for application, I think makeup is better off as an enhancement to ones natural beauty, rather than as a replacement. I love girls who know how to get fancy without looking like their geishas.

Tattoos on the other hand though, their badass if they have meanings that transcends superficial or hedonistic feelings/thoughts. I only think a tattoo is ever unrespectable is if the reason they got it was dumb,it has a dumb meaning, or its just ugly and unappealing.
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