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I'm not saying that Gundam's the only thing being imitated. But other shows/genres borrow from all over the place. Mecha pretty much only borrows from Gundam (or from other shows that borrowed from Gundam in a long chain of borrowing ideas).

Don't get me wrong, there are mecha shows that try to be different. And there are a bunch of Gundam series I liked. But there are a LOT of shows that blatantly want to be Gundam.

Also, what's wrong with messing with history? That's kind of the point of this thread. It's a "What if" scenario. I'd love to make a historical change to my hobby and see where that leads. "What if Gundam never existed?" could just as easily be "What if Gundam was imported to America instead of Macross all those years ago?". Both would change history, and I'd like to see either outcome; but in this case, I'm sticking to the topic of the thread.
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I'm not saying that Gundam's the only thing being imitated. But other shows/genres borrow from all over the place. Mecha pretty much only borrows from Gundam (or from other shows that borrowed from Gundam in a long chain of borrowing ideas).

Don't get me wrong, there are mecha shows that try to be different. And there are a bunch of Gundam series I liked. But there are a LOT of shows that blatantly want to be Gundam.

Also, what's wrong with messing with history? That's kind of the point of this thread. It's a "What if" scenario. I'd love to make a historical change to my hobby and see where that leads. "What if Gundam never existed?" could just as easily be "What if Gundam was imported to America instead of Macross all those years ago?". Both would change history, and I'd like to see either outcome; but in this case, I'm sticking to the topic of the thread.

As i said, not everything is an imitation of gundam.
Real robots was started by Gundam yes or more accurately Starship troopers.... it is interesting to think of and there might have been someone different who took the spot light instead for real robots.
But Real robots in general have been a godsend to the mecha franchise, you could possibly be effectively wiping out things such as macross, patlabor, blue gender, full metal panic or hell my all time favorite Muv-Luv the visual novel trilogy.
Is it really worth it to get rid of a few eyesores when we have so many greats?
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Sorry for the giant pyramid of quoting, everyone.

What you're saying is kind of my point. I'm not choosing Gundam out of malice, I'm choosing it because it's a benchmark of Japanese anime and culture; and I have genuine curiosity as to what would take the place of it and everything that came from it. It's like choosing Tenchi Muyo and Love Hina and seeing what replaces all the harem series. Or going with the works of Osamu Tezuka and destroying anime altogether. In this case, I chose Gundam because it was more influential than the named harem series and has been around longer. Plus I like anime, so I wouldn't want to be rid of it, just see what a few changes would have done.
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Sorry for the giant pyramid of quoting, everyone.

What you're saying is kind of my point. I'm not choosing Gundam out of malice, I'm choosing it because it's a benchmark of Japanese anime and culture; and I have genuine curiosity as to what would take the place of it and everything that came from it. It's like choosing Tenchi Muyo and Love Hina and seeing what replaces all the harem series. Or going with the works of Osamu Tezuka and destroying anime altogether. In this case, I chose Gundam because it was more influential than the named harem series and has been around longer. Plus I like anime, so I wouldn't want to be rid of it, just see what a few changes would have done.

Alright i will bite.
Let's just say for a moment Gundam never existed, maybe Starship troopers would have taken its place with a proper adaptation?
Than instead of having mecha with underpowered aliens we would have a more realistic and a mature outlook on military mecha throwing survival horror in the mix. In this case i would be completely game for this, because Blue Gender would more than likely still exist.
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At first I would be tempted to throw Evangelion out, I just can't stand that anime. However, even I can admit that it did influence in a somewhat positive way the mech genre and probably contributed to the creation of MuvLuv (my personal fave VN). Also, the awsome character type that is Dandere was pretty much invented (or at least made popular) by Rei Ayanami.

In the end I have to say I would want to throw Ergo Proxy, simply out of spite for nearly making me turn away from anime the second I got into it. Never before had I wanted a show to be good, and it nearly delievered ..... until that terrible ending that will never stop pissing me off.
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If i was to pick any series it would be Muv-Luv Total Eclipse.
I can think of show's that would alter the course of history and change American fandom entirely but when it comes down to it i selfishly have to say Muv-Luv.

Sure we have more fans now, but some haven't even read the visual novel trilogy which is entirely different than the original which only amounts to a low budget advertisement for volks figures. There's also a lot of people that will never give either a try thanks to misleading news and the misleading adaptation which portrays the series in a completely different light, i'm sure it didn't effect japan any but that's beside the point.

Genre shifts, time travel, parallel worlds so much more and a whole lot of luv, pun intended.
Muv-Luv started in 2003 something more simplistic and started out as a comedy romance, age wasn't able to continue to Alternative until three years later when they could afford there dream.. a newly updated engine, beautiful cutscenes, an amazing vocal/bgm list along with hit voice actors.
Age is all about making the impossible happen for there fans even if it destroys there company, satelight did a terrible job representing that.
A list of the following errors range from offensive artwork, improper tsf mechanics, guzzling fuel like frat students, improper size of the alien invaders b.e.t.a., under powered laser class, a misrepresentation of characters and much more.


Yo dog. I played Muv-Luv, as per your insistance. And it was cool, don't get me wrong. And I don't dislike the dis-existance of Total Eclipse.

But you got to go big man!

Removing Gundam removes 35 years of progress! The entire generation of difference would have happened!

BTW. I'm rewatching Rumbling Hearts/Kimi ga Nozomu Eien. And 10 Minutes into episode 1, we get a Valgeron reference. They talked about how the new Arcade just got a Valgeron machine, and it's super awesome.

Just...I want you to know, I was floored when I heard that. And if I remember right, Muv-Luv was out, but not Alternative at the time of that animation.
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Extra i believe for Rumbling yes but alternative however was translated awhile before the Muv-Luv Total Eclipse anime was released.
And i am thinking big, considering how the Muv-Luv trilogy influenced Shingeki no Kyojin and possibly a lot of urobutchers works.
Consider this.. age is waiting to announce whatever title for the next Muv-Luv they're releasing what if Total Eclipse never happened and satelight never happened and they have a much larger budget to work with later down the road?
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fluffykun011 wrote:

Extra i believe for Rumbling yes but alternative however was translated awhile before the Muv-Luv Total Eclipse anime was released.
And i am thinking big, considering how the Muv-Luv trilogy influenced Shingeki no Kyojin and possibly a lot of urobutchers works.
Consider this.. age is waiting to announce whatever title for the next Muv-Luv they're releasing what if Total Eclipse never happened and satelight never happened and they have a much larger budget to work with later down the road?


You think too highly of Muv-Luv! It's influence on Shingeki no Kyojin is far smaller than you believe!

I'm waiting for Age to release something new as well, but I also don't have high hopes for it. I think they've going to just keep rehashing what they've previously done, instead of moving onto a new IP like they should. It's just more and more Muv-Luv... BUT THAT STORY IS OVER, DONE, GONE, FINISHED, COMPLETE!

Give me something new damn it! Do what comedians are often told to do!

At the end of the year, look back at everything you've done, every joke you've made, every character you've created. And throw them into the trash.

New shit, every year. Because everybody gets tired of the same old joke.

I'm not just looking at Muv-Luv. I'm looking at Neon Genesis Evangelion, Sunrise's Gundam knock offs, the Slice-of-Life and Harem Genre.

At least copy something OTHER than the Original Gundam. Fuck, copy Zeta or Turn A or Victory at the very least. Why does everything gotta be Char clone this or Amuro Ray clone that?

And damn it man, watch the original Gundam! Three hours for three movies, look'forem on Youtube.
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fluffykun011 wrote:

Extra i believe for Rumbling yes but alternative however was translated awhile before the Muv-Luv Total Eclipse anime was released.
And i am thinking big, considering how the Muv-Luv trilogy influenced Shingeki no Kyojin and possibly a lot of urobutchers works.
Consider this.. age is waiting to announce whatever title for the next Muv-Luv they're releasing what if Total Eclipse never happened and satelight never happened and they have a much larger budget to work with later down the road?


You think too highly of Muv-Luv! It's influence on Shingeki no Kyojin is far smaller than you believe!

I'm waiting for Age to release something new as well, but I also don't have high hopes for it. I think they've going to just keep rehashing what they've previously done, instead of moving onto a new IP like they should. It's just more and more Muv-Luv... BUT THAT STORY IS OVER, DONE, GONE, FINISHED, COMPLETE!

Give me something new damn it! Do what comedians are often told to do!

At the end of the year, look back at everything you've done, every joke you've made, every character you've created. And throw them into the trash.

New shit, every year. Because everybody gets tired of the same old joke.

I'm not just looking at Muv-Luv. I'm looking at Neon Genesis Evangelion, Sunrise's Gundam knock offs, the Slice-of-Life and Harem Genre.

At least copy something OTHER than the Original Gundam. Fuck, copy Zeta or Turn A or Victory at the very least. Why does everything gotta be Char clone this or Amuro Ray clone that?

And damn it man, watch the original Gundam! Three hours for three movies, look'forem on Youtube.

Number 1.. i know damn well just watching the movies first is a mistake, i won't do that for ANYTHING, i won't even watch unicorn until i properly watch everything in the u.c timeline so i can enjoy the story to the fullest.
Number 2 I said if you erase Muv-Luv you won't have Shingeki no Kyojin that's all i said but if you want to go there..
i suggest you do your research first and note how many scenes, homages, references, quotes , ideas it takes from Muv-Luv in the manga.
Also i suggest you stop there.

As for Muv-Luv being overdone.. lol... man.. you haven't read the playstation 3 Total Eclipse visual novel, you haven't read Chronicles, you haven't read the light novel material such as Schwarzesmarken you haven't even read the lighthearted fandisc material so don't give me that.
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At first I would be tempted to throw Evangelion out, I just can't stand that anime. However, even I can admit that it did influence in a somewhat positive way the mech genre and probably contributed to the creation of MuvLuv (my personal fave VN). Also, the awsome character type that is Dandere was pretty much invented (or at least made popular) by Rei Ayanami.

In the end I have to say I would want to throw Ergo Proxy, simply out of spite for nearly making me turn away from anime the second I got into it. Never before had I wanted a show to be good, and it nearly delievered ..... until that terrible ending that will never stop pissing me off.


No, go with Evangelion. I'd argue that it's had a pretty negative impact;

They mainstreamed fanservice in a serious way, in a bad way.
Gainax utter shameless licencing policy would make Disney execs weep for shame.
The show started the trend of 'meaningful' shows that don't actually mean a damn thing.
Speaking of shamelessness, the constant reboots and spinoffs make Rocky 6 look novel.
It featured one of the earliest truly unbearable protagonists.

Don't get me wrong, there are shows I hate more... a LOT more, but I really think Eva really promoted a ton of negative trends that we're still living with.
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Madoka Magica. Yuck.
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No, go with Evangelion. I'd argue that it's had a pretty negative impact;

They mainstreamed fanservice in a serious way, in a bad way.
Gainax utter shameless licencing policy would make Disney execs weep for shame.
The show started the trend of 'meaningful' shows that don't actually mean a damn thing.
Speaking of shamelessness, the constant reboots and spinoffs make Rocky 6 look novel.
It featured one of the earliest truly unbearable protagonists.

Don't get me wrong, there are shows I hate more... a LOT more, but I really think Eva really promoted a ton of negative trends that we're still living with.


You know. I've been thinking of making a Thread about Shinji for a few hours now. And reading this...it's got to be done.

Evangelion, the T.V. Show, is and never has been about Fanservice. They promised and gloated about giving it to us every preview, but what did it give us? Giant Robot's, random homosexual bishounen's, and a whoooole lot of dead people.

I'm not going to harp over such a word as "meaningful" but "thougth provoking" is what Evangelion is. It ain't about having a point, it's about coversation.

And yeah, they are indeed shameless. I swear, the entire problem revolves around Anno being unable to pick a girl. Do you want Shinji to end up with Rei like he does in the Manga and the first two Rebuild movies?
Or would you rather him end up with Asuka like in End of Evangelion and the second half of the anime?

I don't think he knows, and the asshole switches back and forth every damn time you ask him.

No seriously. I'm on it with the Shinji hate. Unbearable they say? I've seen worse, and you judge too harshly!
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