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I actually really like School Days. I'm sad at all these people saying they'd cancel it.
No anime has ever pissed me off in such a legitimate way, it did its job, and did it well.

The one I would cancel would be....

Queens Blade...
Because.....I don't know, everything \o/


Because boobs.
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this is what i mostly meant when i maid the thread. SAO is so excellent though i couldnt see it not being here.
Sword Art Online could very well have been an interesting and compelling anime. However, it is not. It creates an interesting world which we are not allowed to explore. It sets up an epic, sweeping plot, but instead chooses to focus on a random selection of unrelated side-quests and a mundane romance subplot that contributes nothing meaningful to the actual plot (or what little of it there is), punctuated by an absurd number of timeskips which butcher any decent sense of pacing the series may have otherwise had. It creates the potential for interesting character interaction and development. However, most character interaction boils down to any remotely prominent female character fawning over the protagonist, or build-up towards the aforementioned romance subplot. As for development, it is almost non-existent, and when it does manifest, it is handled very poorly, as if the writer didn't have a clue what he was doing. Asuna turned from a mysterious and reserved figure into a generic tsundere character, before taking a full nosedive right into useless damsel-in-distress, with little explanation or acknowledgement given of the fact that her character changed almost schizophrenically into the epitome of generic and boring.

What this anime did do right, was present an interesting scenario (albeit one that has been done before), where the rare moments of insight into the way the world inside the game works were genuinely interesting. We received some wonderful boss battles (apart from the final encounter) and it was all well animated. Now, if that's enough for you, that's entirely your call, however, don't pretend that Sword Art Online is something it is not - namely, anything but an excuse to watch a nerd be transformed into a badass who proceeds to beat up some bad guys and get the girl.

All that being said, however, SOA hardly deserves erasing when mindless, insubstantial and horrendous abominations such as K-ON exist. It is fans of this show, and others like it, who I could almost sympathise for.
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this is what i mostly meant when i maid the thread. SAO is so excellent though i couldnt see it not being here.
Sword Art Online could very well have been an interesting and compelling anime. However, it is not. It creates an interesting world which we are not allowed to explore. It sets up an epic, sweeping plot, but instead chooses to focus on a random selection of unrelated side-quests and a mundane romance subplot that contributes nothing meaningful to the actual plot (or what little of it there is), punctuated by an absurd number of timeskips which butcher any decent sense of pacing the series may have otherwise had. It creates the potential for interesting character interaction and development. However, most character interaction boils down to any remotely prominent female character fawning over the protagonist, or build-up towards the aforementioned romance subplot. As for development, it is almost non-existent, and when it does manifest, it is handled very poorly, as if the writer didn't have a clue what he was doing. Asuna turned from a mysterious and reserved figure into a generic tsundere character, before taking a full nosedive right into useless damsel-in-distress, with little explanation or acknowledgement given of the fact that her character changed almost schizophrenically into the epitome of generic and boring.

What this anime did do right, was present an interesting scenario (albeit one that has been done before), where the rare moments of insight into the way the world inside the game works were genuinely interesting. We received some wonderful boss battles (apart from the final encounter) and it was all well animated. Now, if that's enough for you, that's entirely your call, however, don't pretend that Sword Art Online is something it is not - namely, anything but an excuse to watch a nerd be transformed into a badass who proceeds to beat up some bad guys and get the girl.

All that being said, however, SOA hardly deserves erasing when mindless, insubstantial and horrendous abominations such as K-ON exist. It is fans of this show, and others like it, who I could almost sympathise for.


What's so bad about K-On?
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What's so bad about K-On?
The fact that the anime is utterly lacking in redeeming qualities and is in fact incomparably boring. Nothing remotely exciting ever happens, despite attempts at humour, which often fall flat, attempts at drama, which never actually create any drama or tension, and an attempt to establish a group of wacky girls that actually results in one of the most stagnant groups of characters I have ever witnessed. Oh, and despite being a 'musical anime', music as a theme is actually not that prominent, more often than not forced aside in favour of...drinking tea.

I could probably go into more detail, but the reason K-ON strikes me as particularly bad is that, unless you like cute things or really, really like tea, there's no reason to be interested in this anime. It has nothing going for it.

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I'm going to throw my 2 cents in...

I'm starting to hate the whole Da Capo nonsense. I really liked it when I first found it but... They've killed it. I don't to want see another Da Capo like story for the rest of my life..... SCREAM!!! I want the lot of it to burn.

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What's so bad about K-On?
The fact that the anime is utterly lacking in redeeming qualities and is in fact incomparably boring. Nothing remotely exciting ever happens, despite attempts at humour, which often fall flat, attempts at drama, which never actually create any drama or tension, and an attempt to establish a group of wacky girls that actually results in one of the most stagnant groups of characters I have ever witnessed. Oh, and despite being a 'musical anime', music as a theme is actually not that prominent, more often than not forced aside in favour of...drinking tea.

I could probably go into more detail, but the reason K-ON strikes me as particularly bad is that, unless you like cute things or really, really like tea, there's no reason to be interested in this anime. It has nothing going for it.

This is an extremely aesthetic distinction. We've been having this discussion about Gargantia a lot this season: people see an anime, and think it's not what they think it should be, so they claim its bad. When really it's just not for them.

It's much like criticizing an entire genre of music that you simply dislike, when there's nothing really wrong with it. Except that it's just different from the kind of music you like. This also happens a lot with Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Anyway, I won't begrudge KyoAni their horrendous piles of money from K-On as long as they continue making things like
Hyouka, Nichijou, Chuunibyou demo Koi ga Shitai!, The Disappearance of Haruhi Suzumiya, etc. with it.
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I would get rid of dragon ball z
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This is an extremely aesthetic distinction.

Nothing remotely exciting ever happens, despite attempts at humour, which often fall flat, attempts at drama, which never actually create any drama or tension, and an attempt to establish a group of wacky girls that actually results in one of the most stagnant groups of characters I have ever witnessed.
These have nothing to do with 'aesthetics', rather, they are allusions to issues with the show. A haphazard attempt at casting them aside with an incorrect distinction and an off-tangent selection of points thereof that ultimately amount to nothing of value in this discussion, is wholly insufficient. Address my actual points rather than spamming a list of titles as if to give K-ON a sense of legitimacy based on the money it earns (not necessarily indicative of actual quality) and you might have something that vaguely resembles an effective counterargument. Also, a post which aims to disprove another on the grounds of subjectivity which immediately establishes its criteria for opposing the original post as being inherently subjective in nature is not a good idea. This isn't simply a matter of K-ON not being what I expected, this is about it lacking in overall merit.

In fact, I specifically drew attention to it not particularly utilising the theme of music despite being a music anime as an afterthought, so please, if you're going to try and defend this show, don't horrendously misinterpret and misrepresent my argument, especially considering it constitutes wilful ignorance of all the main points made.
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Neon Genesis Evangelion.

Not because it is bad, but because I would like to see what anime would become if the show never existed. And I am sadistic.
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i would erase schools days its scar me for life now everytime i watch an anime i expect the best but lately lt its just bn sad n depressing anime like valvrave or hunter hunter
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This is an extremely aesthetic distinction.

Nothing remotely exciting ever happens, despite attempts at humour, which often fall flat, attempts at drama, which never actually create any drama or tension, and an attempt to establish a group of wacky girls that actually results in one of the most stagnant groups of characters I have ever witnessed.
These have nothing to do with 'aesthetics', rather, they are allusions to issues with the show. A haphazard attempt at casting them aside with an incorrect distinction and an off-tangent selection of points thereof that ultimately amount to nothing of value in this discussion, is wholly insufficient. Address my actual points rather than spamming a list of titles as if to give K-ON a sense of legitimacy based on the money it earns (not necessarily indicative of actual quality) and you might have something that vaguely resembles an effective counterargument. Also, a post which aims to disprove another on the grounds of subjectivity which immediately establishes its criteria for opposing the original post as being inherently subjective in nature is not a good idea. This isn't simply a matter of K-ON not being what I expected, this is about it lacking in overall merit.

In fact, I specifically drew attention to it not particularly utilising the theme of music despite being a music anime as an afterthought, so please, if you're going to try and defend this show, don't horrendously misinterpret and misrepresent my argument, especially considering it constitutes wilful ignorance of all the main points made.

"Aesthetics is a branch of philosophy dealing with the nature of art, beauty, and taste, with the creation and appreciation of beauty. It is more scientifically defined as the study of sensory or sensori-emotional values, sometimes called judgments of sentiment and taste. More broadly, [aesthetics is defined] as "critical reflection on art, culture and nature."

Wikipedia contributors can get a little pretentious sometimes. Anyway.

K-On "lacks merit" by failing to fulfill your aesthetic desires. That was the entire point, of both your post and mine. I was not attempting to disprove you, only to point out that your personal preferences are irrelevant to a critical analysis. In this case K-On is a part of the moe genre, where it fits perfectly. Not a single thematic element is out of place.

I think what you are doing here is too restrictive to be called objective. An appropriate critical analysis acknowledges a much wider range of aesthetic themes besides those you find personally preferential. All your arguments hinge on subjective statements, about what you thought about the anime based on your tastes and preferences.

K-On is certainly not the greatest show ever made, but it is one of the greatest in its genre. Another example I mentioned earlier is Neon Genesis Evangelion. Its design and execution are both superb, but people wish it was a different because their personal tastes lean in a different direction. This is not criticism, it is personal bias.

You criticized K-On for 1) not being exciting, 2) not being funny, 3) not being dramatic, 4) lacking tension, 5) lacking interesting characters, and 6) not being particularly musical. #2 and #6 are subjective based on personal tastes, as there are many people who'd disagree with you with just as much vehemence (and equally reasonable grounds).

Further, K-On was not attempting to be exciting, dramatic, tense, or particularly musical. It was attempting to be entertaining to a very carefully selected target audience (which you do not fit). And it fulfilled its role at entertaining these people spectacularly well. So in the end it's a very good anime when measured from the appropriate frame of reference.

Ultimately my point is that you cannot criticize anything for not being what it was never intended to be in the first place, regardless of your preconceptions going into it. I watched K-On because of this AMV, and I was also rather disappointed when it turned out to be quite a bit different than I expected. But I won't criticize a house for not being a bridge.

Bridges are nice, and houses are nice. Just have reasonable expectations of what role they fulfill.

Tangentially: This is similar to the criticism I see Bleach and Naruto get a lot (along with other long-running shounen like Fairy Tail). When people stick to a rigid and strict frame of reference which they insist on applying to anything regardless of its aesthetic or thematic aims, they will fail (and will also most likely be grouchy about it).

tl;dr Disliking moeblob does not reflect an integral failure of its genre, it simply reflects your personal tastes.

Further Reading: Discussing the aesthetics of videogame design and its similar theoretical application to anime.

PS: I will personally report this post at the time of writing; if the mod thinks I'm being too argumentative (which I concede is a very significant possibility) they are free to delete it at their own discretion. This took me awhile to write since I had to keep revising flame baits; I think I removed all of them since I'm trying not to be antagonistic, but just to be sure.
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MikiSayaka wrote:

I actually really like School Days. I'm sad at all these people saying they'd cancel it.
No anime has ever pissed me off in such a legitimate way, it did its job, and did it well.

The one I would cancel would be....

Queens Blade...
Because.....I don't know, everything \o/


Because boobs.

In Queen's Blade, that's the same thing.

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Shit art online to erase the plebs.
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SAO was pretty awesome fan service for any online gamer out there, I want to slap all of you who think it's the #1 choice for being deleted over something like School Days or the hundreds of other mediocre, un-worthy of existing anime.



The reason why I don't mind Vampire Knight existing in this universe (even though it's the shittest anime out there), is because VK's fangirls stay in their delusional world worshipping their Kaname or whatever. They don't come to other animes saying, "Oh, this is so Vampire Knight", "Oh wow, vampire knights is so much better".


While the SAO fanboys come to other animes, and leave comments like, "This anime copies SAO", "WATCH SAO, IT'S SO MUCH BETTER".

Hence, why I don't want SAO to exist in the first place.
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