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EDIT: and why delete robotech from history, what was so bad about it? isnt it the reason mecha as a genre is here?


Because of that abomination, and the resulting lawsuits/copyright rights/etc from Harmony Gold (a curse word to me)

Macross Do You Remember Love has never been properly released in America

No real anime would be lost from the deletion as the 3 anime that made up RoBLOWtech would still exist
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high school girls.... my god that anime was horrible....
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Posted 6/30/13 , edited 6/30/13

Insomnist wrote:

Ultimately my point is that you cannot criticize anything for not being what it was never intended to be in the first place, regardless of your preconceptions going into it. I watched K-On because of this AMV, and I was also rather disappointed when it turned out to be quite a bit different than I expected. But I won't criticize a house for not being a bridge.


I just wanted to interject here.

I understand that I'm likely falling squarely in to your sights due to my opinion on Gargantia but in my opinion (you can't say that I don't mark my words as being my opinion often in order to avoid claiming what I do as fact), Gargantia is different.

The way I see it based on viewing the show and analyzing it critically and objectively as a viewer, it appears to me that the show didn't know what it wants, so the show failed to reach me and tell me "This is what we are about!". Even though I'm just one viewer...I believe it's safe to say I'm not the only experiencing this confusion. Do you think it's a mention-able number of people that would make the writers consider that they probably could have steered the story in a more effective way to reach their goal?

Let me stir up a crooked analogy here to boast my point. A director says that they are developing an anime that is deeply rooted in themes of love. They want their audience to take away from it, that love is the single most powerful element of friendship and it can get you through any situation. Anime comes out. It's an elfen lied bloody, higurashi type story, complete with guuren lagaan action with dwindling foggy themes of a love interest or friendship that help the character persevere, but it's thematically and for a large majority of the show, the former.

Don't you think in a case like this, it's appropriate to say that their method of achieving their intended message was faulty or ineffective? Sure, it's there, albeit in a bit of a broken and unimportant way, the anime may even be a hit and be quite entertaining/good, but the bloody, psycho, action-packed story takes precedence in almost all cases, leading the viewer to label this anime as any of those themes, before they call it a romance. The tools the director/writers used to push their message were ineffective because they out-shined their core intention.

This is my beef with Gargantia, they put focus on so many things that cluster up their written intention, and visibly the show is a kaleidoscope of themes. It's exhausting to bother wondering what the heck the show is going for...as I think is apparent by the lengthy discussion we've had over it. It is all of this and a bit more that has me calling Gargantia mediocre not simply because it wasn't what I wanted it to be, but because I don't like watching something where it looks like the writers didn't know what they wanted it to be. Instead of a picture perfect, glossy frame package with the whole message as a cherry on top (Psycho-Pass to you).
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tl;dr Disliking moeblob does not reflect an integral failure of its genre, it simply reflects your personal tastes.
Strawman. I never once claimed, or even implied that K-ON was a failure within it's respective genre. I'm not entirely certain how you have managed to misunderstand to this extent, especially considering you went through the effort of creating a sequence of points leading up to little more than a straw-man conclusion, which does not actually address my argument in any meaningful way. Now, technically, I could just leave it at that, because what you have just posted represents a failing on your part to fundamentally understand what this argument seems to be about, which is unfortunate. However, it does bring us to a very interesting situation. Your primary defence of K-ON is that it does what it is supposed to (again, this does not necessarily have a bearing on actual quality), and that I am not entitled to judge it based on something it isn't (which I'm not, I'm judging it as a standalone anime - like I would any other, hardly unfair), and yet, in the very same post, you are criticising my argument based on something it is not, that being, an evaluation of K-ON relative to it's genre, which is not what I am doing, so I apologise if I'm not particularly thrilled that there are some blatant double-standards going on here, effectively amounting to 'I'm allowed to judge and criticise things based on what they aren't, but you're not!'.

K-On "lacks merit" by failing to fulfill your aesthetic desires. That was the entire point, of both your post and mine. I was not attempting to disprove you, only to point out that your personal preferences are irrelevant to a critical analysis. In this case K-On is a part of the moe genre, where it fits perfectly. Not a single thematic element is out of place.
Does it conform to what this type of show tries to do? To an extent. Does that mean that it is good? Not necessarily. First it was about money, and now you're arguing that it's conformity to expectations sells it, which is all well and good to a certain extent, and if this discussion topic was 'Is K-ON good relative to what it sets out to do', that would be an effective argument. Unfortunately, that is not the case. The fact that it sticks to expected elements of it's genre does not improve the actual quality of the work in any way, and to imply that it does (especially in place of an actual evaluation of what it does right) is faulty logic.

Tangentially: This is similar to the criticism I see Bleach and Naruto get a lot (along with other long-running shounen like Fairy Tail). When people stick to a rigid and strict frame of reference which they insist on applying to anything regardless of its aesthetic or thematic aims, they will fail (and will also most likely be grouchy about it).
Frames of reference apply to an analysis where reference is required. For example, if my summation of the show was concerned with referencing it back to the genre, then yes, frames of reference would be useful. However, I was simply stating my stance regarding the show as a standalone creation - hardly unfair, nor particularly difficult to understand. Also, insisting that thematic aims have any bearing on the actual quality of the resultant product whatsoever is blatantly incorrect. Again, stop using the genre as a shield. That's not how reasoning works, especially when the argument you are trying to tackle with such points makes no mention of the quality of show relative to the genre.

All your arguments hinge on subjective statements
Ignoring the fact that this seems entirely overblown, (especially considering that, when actually trying to contest my various criticisms levelled at K-ON, you only actually managed to address and defend two, one of which was horrendously incorrect*), what exactly does your argument have? A somewhat shaky series of deductions, leading to an irrelevant conclusion, all tied up in hypocrisy.

K-On is certainly not the greatest show ever made, but it is one of the greatest in its genre.
Again, not a sign of actual quality. Also, another strawman. You keep bringing the discussion back to the matter of 'Oh, but K-ON is good for it's genre'. Again, I'm not looking at it based on the genre (and it's debatable whether that is a valid defence in a critical analysis, it really depends on the situation), but as a standalone. Ignoring this in favour of tying it back into the genre is irrelevant to this discussion, and the longer you keep ignoring that, the more time you are going to waste, and the more foolish you will ultimately look, especially considering your argument throws around subject terminology and definitions, (which would serve you well in a different kind of debate) in order to imply argumentative merit that doesn't exist.

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You criticized K-On for 1) not being exciting, 2) not being funny, 3) not being dramatic, 4) lacking tension, 5) lacking interesting characters, and 6) not being particularly musical. #2 and #6 are subjective based on personal tastes, as there are many people who'd disagree with you with just as much vehemence (and equally reasonable grounds).
Also, how on earth is the show not being particularly musical a subjective point? That's a factual observation of the show.

Ultimately, you are criticising my posts for evaluating K-ON as something it isn't (not true), while simultaneously evaluating (and then arguing against) my argument as something it is not. This is not a worthwhile discussion, and your off-tangent arguing is a waste of time. If I seem harsh, it's because I'm trying to drive home some simple points integral to the discussion. Think long and hard before responding, because your current angle of debate is counter-productive, and seeing as how we're both making different arguments, the cores of which are not necessarily adversarial, this could end up going around in circles for ages.
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Posted 6/30/13 , edited 6/30/13

I agree with you that Gargantia did not properly frame/direct its viewers; I believe I've posted about that before.

(In any case, I was asked not to go further off topic in this thread, so... yeah; holding myself back now).

In any case Gargantia ends today, so we'll all get our final words in on it in a couple hours other in the other thread.



Edit: This doubles for the other post directly above. We've both said our piece I think.
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God, the protagonist in evangelion made me want to bash myself in the head with something., that irritating and good for nothing whiney kid has scarred me permanently. Shinji Ikari is the worst character ever designed. Also SAO was awful.. just a painful watch! I havn't finished the stupid fairyland part yet.. pretty much impossible.
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I wouldn't want to delete any anime as it would suck for the people who enjoyed it. Just as i wouldn't want it to happen to me.

As for the hate on SAO fanbase, I dont see why people just don't ignore them. You say that those certain fans bring a negative impact to anime in general yet SAO is not the only one with fans like that. Almost every anime has fans like it. I saw people saying the same thing for Accel World or almost any other anime. The threads pretty much turned into a "Let's hate certain fanbases".
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AmDraiken wrote:

I wouldn't want to delete any anime as it would suck for the people who enjoyed it. Just as i wouldn't want it to happen to me.

As for the hate on SAO fanbase, I dont see why people just don't ignore them. You say that those certain fans bring a negative impact to anime in general yet SAO is not the only one with fans like that. Almost every anime has fans like it. I saw people saying the same thing for Accel World or almost any other anime. The threads pretty much turned into a "Let's hate certain fanbases".


My thoughts exactly. Despite what people think, the makers try to create something that others will enjoy while still being profitable. If those things pull in certain fans, so be it. Foreign anime fans often think they are open minded for having hobbies that deviate from the norm, but they comprise some of the biggest bigots out.
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AmDraiken wrote:

I wouldn't want to delete any anime as it would suck for the people who enjoyed it. Just as i wouldn't want it to happen to me.

As for the hate on SAO fanbase, I dont see why people just don't ignore them. You say that those certain fans bring a negative impact to anime in general yet SAO is not the only one with fans like that. Almost every anime has fans like it. I saw people saying the same thing for Accel World or almost any other anime. The threads pretty much turned into a "Let's hate certain fanbases".


Pretty much this. CR forums isn't much different to 2ch, 4chan and MAL (lots of immature kids)
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Itsuka Tenma no Kuro Usagi
Or some title like that
Dear god that was torture
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Bludgeoning Angel Dokuro-Chan

Forever, as I go to sleep, I'll hear "Pi piru piru piru pi piru piiiiii...".
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Nerawareta Gakuen the art and production value was top notch but the story... was just way the hell out there and the plot holes in this movie just kind of baffled me, then just abandoning most of the plot (by most I mean like 80%) to a lack luster ending that just raises questions to which there are no answers.
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Bobobo bo bo bobo. There's simply no point to it, so I don't think too many people would care.

If hentai counts, then Boku no Pico. That abomination will haunt me for the rest of my life O.o
Posted 6/30/13

Campione!

Someone mentioned Elfen Lied and that is something that I really cannot understand. Not everyone can take the violence, I understand, yet the show had a really good story and unforgettable characters. To each their own but to completely delete it would be an error. As far as I'm concerned it's a classic anime.

SAO is another bad choice to delete.
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