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I know this is highly inappropriate and probably really off topic, but this guy is cuuuuute.


On April 10, 1984, 9-year old Mei Leung was found dead in a hotel basement where Ramirez was living. This, his first known murder, was not initially identified as being connected to the crime spree. In 2009, Ramirez's DNA was matched to DNA obtained at the crime scene.[2]

On June 28, 1984, 79-year-old Jennie Vincow was found brutally murdered in her apartment in Glassell Park.[21] She had been stabbed repeatedly while asleep in her bed, and her throat was slashed so deeply that she was nearly decapitated.[22]

On March 17, 1985, Ramirez attacked 22-year-old Maria Hernandez outside her home in Rosemead, shooting her in the face with a .22 caliber handgun after she pulled into her garage.[23] Inside the home was her roommate Dayle Okazaki, age 34, whom Ramirez immediately shot and killed. Hernandez survived her attack because the bullet fired at her ricocheted off the keys she held in her hands as she lifted them to protect herself.[24]

Within an hour of the Rosemead home invasion, Ramirez struck again in Monterey Park. He attacked 30-year-old Tsai-Lian "Veronica" Yu and pulled her out of her car onto the road. He shot her twice with a .22 caliber hangun and fled.[25][26] A police officer found her still breathing, but she was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital.[27] The two attacks occurring on the same day bolstered media attention, and in turn caused panic and fear among the public. The news media dubbed the attacker, who was described as having long curly hair, bulging eyes and wide-spaced rotting teeth, "The Walk-in Killer" and "The Valley Intruder".

On March 27, 1985, Ramirez entered a home that he had burglarized a year earlier in Whittier at approximately 2 a.m. and killed Vincent Zazzara, age 64, with a gunshot to his head from a .22 caliber handgun.[28] Zazzara's wife Maxine, age 44, was awakened by her husband's murder, and Ramirez beat her and bound her hands while demanding to know where her valuables were.[29] While he ransacked the room, Zazzara escaped her bonds and retrieved a shotgun from under the bed, which was not loaded.[30] An infuriated Ramirez shot her three times with the .22, then fetched a large carving knife from the kitchen.[31] Her body was mutilated with multiple stab wounds, and her eyes were gouged out and placed in a jewelry box, which Ramiriez left with.[31] The autopsy determined that the mutilations were post-mortem. Ramirez left footprints in the flower beds, which the police photographed and cast. This was virtually the only evidence that the police had at the time. Bullets found at the scene were matched to those found at previous attacks, and the police realized a serial killer was at large. Vincent and Maxine's bodies were discovered by their son, Peter.[32]

By now, a multi-county police investigation was in operation. The law enforcement agencies worked through the month of April with no additional attacks by Ramirez. Two months after killing the Zazzara couple, Ramirez attacked a married couple: Harold Wu, age 66, who was shot in the head; and his wife, Jean Wu, age 63, who was beaten, bound, and then violently raped. For unknown reasons on this occasion, Ramirez did not kill his victim. He left behind more clues to his identity, and was named "The Night Stalker" by the media. Survivors of his attacks provided the police with a description of a tall Hispanic man with long dark hair.

On May 30, 1985, Ramirez attacked Malvial Keller, 83, and her disabled sister, Blanche Wolfe, 80, beating each with a hammer. Ramirez attempted to rape Keller, but failed. Using lipstick, he drew pentagrams on Keller's thigh and on the wall in the bedroom. Wolfe survived the attack. The next day, Ruth Wilson, 41, was bound, raped, and sodomized by Ramirez, while her 12-year-old son was locked in a closet. Ramirez slashed Wilson once, and then bound her and her son together, and left.[33]

On July 5, 1985, Ramirez broke into a home in Sierra Madre and bludgeoned sixteen-year-old Whitney Bennett with a tire iron as she slept in her bedroom.[34] She survived the savage beating, which required 478 stitches to close the lacerations to her scalp.[35]

On July 7, 1985, Linda Fortuna, 63, was attacked and Ramirez tried to rape her, but failed.

On July 20, 1985, he again struck twice. In Sun Valley he shot and killed a 32-year-old man, Chitat Assawahem. His wife Sakima, 29, was beaten and forced to perform oral intercourse. Ramirez then collected valuables and proceeded to leave. Later in the same day a Glendale couple, Maxson Kneiding, 66, and his wife Lela, also 66, were shot and their corpses mutilated.

On August 6, 1985, Ramirez shot both Christopher Petersen, 38, and his wife, Virginia, 27, in the head. They both survived.

On August 8, Ramirez attacked a Diamond Bar couple, fatally shooting Ahmed Zia, 35, before raping, sodomizing, and forcing Zia's wife, Suu Kyi, 28, to perform oral sex on him. The description of their attacker fit the previous ones given for "The Walk-in Killer".
The mugshot of Ramirez that led to his apprehension

Ramirez, who had been following the media coverage of his crimes, left the Los Angeles area and headed to the San Francisco Bay area.[36] On August 18, 1985, Ramirez entered the home of Peter Pan, aged sixty-six, and killed the sleeping man with a gunshot to his temple from a .25 caliber handgun.[37] Pan's sixty-two-year-old wife Barbara was beaten and sexually violated before being shot in the head and left for dead.[38] At the crime scene Ramirez used lipstick to scrawl a pentagram and the phrase "Jack the Knife" on the bedroom wall.[38]

The next big break in the case came on August 24, 1985. Ramirez traveled 50 miles south of Los Angeles to Mission Viejo, and broke into the Mediterranean Village apartment of Bill Carns, 29, and his fiancée, Inez Erickson, 27. Ramirez shot Carns in the head and raped Erickson. He demanded she swear her love for Satan and afterwards, forced her to perform oral intercourse on him. He then tied her and left. Erickson struggled to the window and saw the car Ramirez was driving. She was able to give a description of both Ramirez and his orange Toyota station wagon.[39] A teenager later identified the car from news reports and wrote down half its license plate number. The stolen car was found on August 28, and police were able to obtain one fingerprint that was on the mirror of the vehicle. The prints belonged to Richard Muñoz Ramirez, who was described as a 25-year-old drifter from Texas with a long rap sheet that included many arrests for traffic and illegal drug violations.[

I suggest you see a shrink, since you think he is "cuuuuute" You need help.

Even psychopaths can be attractive. Check out this photo of the man who would become the barbaric Russian dictator Joseph Stalin. It was taken when he was in his early 20's.



As long as someone is cute, who gives a flying f**k about their character. Shallowness Rules.

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I know this is highly inappropriate and probably really off topic, but this guy is cuuuuute.


On April 10, 1984, 9-year old Mei Leung was found dead in a hotel basement where Ramirez was living. This, his first known murder, was not initially identified as being connected to the crime spree. In 2009, Ramirez's DNA was matched to DNA obtained at the crime scene.[2]

On June 28, 1984, 79-year-old Jennie Vincow was found brutally murdered in her apartment in Glassell Park.[21] She had been stabbed repeatedly while asleep in her bed, and her throat was slashed so deeply that she was nearly decapitated.[22]

On March 17, 1985, Ramirez attacked 22-year-old Maria Hernandez outside her home in Rosemead, shooting her in the face with a .22 caliber handgun after she pulled into her garage.[23] Inside the home was her roommate Dayle Okazaki, age 34, whom Ramirez immediately shot and killed. Hernandez survived her attack because the bullet fired at her ricocheted off the keys she held in her hands as she lifted them to protect herself.[24]

Within an hour of the Rosemead home invasion, Ramirez struck again in Monterey Park. He attacked 30-year-old Tsai-Lian "Veronica" Yu and pulled her out of her car onto the road. He shot her twice with a .22 caliber hangun and fled.[25][26] A police officer found her still breathing, but she was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital.[27] The two attacks occurring on the same day bolstered media attention, and in turn caused panic and fear among the public. The news media dubbed the attacker, who was described as having long curly hair, bulging eyes and wide-spaced rotting teeth, "The Walk-in Killer" and "The Valley Intruder".

On March 27, 1985, Ramirez entered a home that he had burglarized a year earlier in Whittier at approximately 2 a.m. and killed Vincent Zazzara, age 64, with a gunshot to his head from a .22 caliber handgun.[28] Zazzara's wife Maxine, age 44, was awakened by her husband's murder, and Ramirez beat her and bound her hands while demanding to know where her valuables were.[29] While he ransacked the room, Zazzara escaped her bonds and retrieved a shotgun from under the bed, which was not loaded.[30] An infuriated Ramirez shot her three times with the .22, then fetched a large carving knife from the kitchen.[31] Her body was mutilated with multiple stab wounds, and her eyes were gouged out and placed in a jewelry box, which Ramiriez left with.[31] The autopsy determined that the mutilations were post-mortem. Ramirez left footprints in the flower beds, which the police photographed and cast. This was virtually the only evidence that the police had at the time. Bullets found at the scene were matched to those found at previous attacks, and the police realized a serial killer was at large. Vincent and Maxine's bodies were discovered by their son, Peter.[32]

By now, a multi-county police investigation was in operation. The law enforcement agencies worked through the month of April with no additional attacks by Ramirez. Two months after killing the Zazzara couple, Ramirez attacked a married couple: Harold Wu, age 66, who was shot in the head; and his wife, Jean Wu, age 63, who was beaten, bound, and then violently raped. For unknown reasons on this occasion, Ramirez did not kill his victim. He left behind more clues to his identity, and was named "The Night Stalker" by the media. Survivors of his attacks provided the police with a description of a tall Hispanic man with long dark hair.

On May 30, 1985, Ramirez attacked Malvial Keller, 83, and her disabled sister, Blanche Wolfe, 80, beating each with a hammer. Ramirez attempted to rape Keller, but failed. Using lipstick, he drew pentagrams on Keller's thigh and on the wall in the bedroom. Wolfe survived the attack. The next day, Ruth Wilson, 41, was bound, raped, and sodomized by Ramirez, while her 12-year-old son was locked in a closet. Ramirez slashed Wilson once, and then bound her and her son together, and left.[33]

On July 5, 1985, Ramirez broke into a home in Sierra Madre and bludgeoned sixteen-year-old Whitney Bennett with a tire iron as she slept in her bedroom.[34] She survived the savage beating, which required 478 stitches to close the lacerations to her scalp.[35]

On July 7, 1985, Linda Fortuna, 63, was attacked and Ramirez tried to rape her, but failed.

On July 20, 1985, he again struck twice. In Sun Valley he shot and killed a 32-year-old man, Chitat Assawahem. His wife Sakima, 29, was beaten and forced to perform oral intercourse. Ramirez then collected valuables and proceeded to leave. Later in the same day a Glendale couple, Maxson Kneiding, 66, and his wife Lela, also 66, were shot and their corpses mutilated.

On August 6, 1985, Ramirez shot both Christopher Petersen, 38, and his wife, Virginia, 27, in the head. They both survived.

On August 8, Ramirez attacked a Diamond Bar couple, fatally shooting Ahmed Zia, 35, before raping, sodomizing, and forcing Zia's wife, Suu Kyi, 28, to perform oral sex on him. The description of their attacker fit the previous ones given for "The Walk-in Killer".
The mugshot of Ramirez that led to his apprehension

Ramirez, who had been following the media coverage of his crimes, left the Los Angeles area and headed to the San Francisco Bay area.[36] On August 18, 1985, Ramirez entered the home of Peter Pan, aged sixty-six, and killed the sleeping man with a gunshot to his temple from a .25 caliber handgun.[37] Pan's sixty-two-year-old wife Barbara was beaten and sexually violated before being shot in the head and left for dead.[38] At the crime scene Ramirez used lipstick to scrawl a pentagram and the phrase "Jack the Knife" on the bedroom wall.[38]

The next big break in the case came on August 24, 1985. Ramirez traveled 50 miles south of Los Angeles to Mission Viejo, and broke into the Mediterranean Village apartment of Bill Carns, 29, and his fiancée, Inez Erickson, 27. Ramirez shot Carns in the head and raped Erickson. He demanded she swear her love for Satan and afterwards, forced her to perform oral intercourse on him. He then tied her and left. Erickson struggled to the window and saw the car Ramirez was driving. She was able to give a description of both Ramirez and his orange Toyota station wagon.[39] A teenager later identified the car from news reports and wrote down half its license plate number. The stolen car was found on August 28, and police were able to obtain one fingerprint that was on the mirror of the vehicle. The prints belonged to Richard Muñoz Ramirez, who was described as a 25-year-old drifter from Texas with a long rap sheet that included many arrests for traffic and illegal drug violations.[

I suggest you see a shrink, since you think he is "cuuuuute" You need help.

Even psychopaths can be attractive. Check out this photo of the man who would become the barbaric Russian dictator Joseph Stalin. It was taken when he was in his early 20's.



As long as someone is cute, who gives a flying f**k about their character. Shallowness Rules.



That...uhh...wasn't my point. People can't help who they find attractive. I'm not encouraging people to fall in love with serial killers or tyrants or anything of the sort.

Obviously character comes first IRL, but when someone on the internet is given nothing more than a picture, judgements will be made.
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I know that in America (maybe even the world, idk i haven't seen it all yet) that there is no such thing as a normal person.

You have your abnormal ones (OCD, social phobia, conduct disorder, anorexia nervosa, etc.)
Then you have your psychotic (or mainly people who fall under Psychosis, but can be branched out)

Then you finally have your psychopaths

In the end, people will always some sort of abnormal issue, but helping those abnormal people should be were it counts
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I know this is highly inappropriate and probably really off topic, but this guy is cuuuuute.


On April 10, 1984, 9-year old Mei Leung was found dead in a hotel basement where Ramirez was living. This, his first known murder, was not initially identified as being connected to the crime spree. In 2009, Ramirez's DNA was matched to DNA obtained at the crime scene.[2]

On June 28, 1984, 79-year-old Jennie Vincow was found brutally murdered in her apartment in Glassell Park.[21] She had been stabbed repeatedly while asleep in her bed, and her throat was slashed so deeply that she was nearly decapitated.[22]

On March 17, 1985, Ramirez attacked 22-year-old Maria Hernandez outside her home in Rosemead, shooting her in the face with a .22 caliber handgun after she pulled into her garage.[23] Inside the home was her roommate Dayle Okazaki, age 34, whom Ramirez immediately shot and killed. Hernandez survived her attack because the bullet fired at her ricocheted off the keys she held in her hands as she lifted them to protect herself.[24]

Within an hour of the Rosemead home invasion, Ramirez struck again in Monterey Park. He attacked 30-year-old Tsai-Lian "Veronica" Yu and pulled her out of her car onto the road. He shot her twice with a .22 caliber hangun and fled.[25][26] A police officer found her still breathing, but she was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital.[27] The two attacks occurring on the same day bolstered media attention, and in turn caused panic and fear among the public. The news media dubbed the attacker, who was described as having long curly hair, bulging eyes and wide-spaced rotting teeth, "The Walk-in Killer" and "The Valley Intruder".

On March 27, 1985, Ramirez entered a home that he had burglarized a year earlier in Whittier at approximately 2 a.m. and killed Vincent Zazzara, age 64, with a gunshot to his head from a .22 caliber handgun.[28] Zazzara's wife Maxine, age 44, was awakened by her husband's murder, and Ramirez beat her and bound her hands while demanding to know where her valuables were.[29] While he ransacked the room, Zazzara escaped her bonds and retrieved a shotgun from under the bed, which was not loaded.[30] An infuriated Ramirez shot her three times with the .22, then fetched a large carving knife from the kitchen.[31] Her body was mutilated with multiple stab wounds, and her eyes were gouged out and placed in a jewelry box, which Ramiriez left with.[31] The autopsy determined that the mutilations were post-mortem. Ramirez left footprints in the flower beds, which the police photographed and cast. This was virtually the only evidence that the police had at the time. Bullets found at the scene were matched to those found at previous attacks, and the police realized a serial killer was at large. Vincent and Maxine's bodies were discovered by their son, Peter.[32]

By now, a multi-county police investigation was in operation. The law enforcement agencies worked through the month of April with no additional attacks by Ramirez. Two months after killing the Zazzara couple, Ramirez attacked a married couple: Harold Wu, age 66, who was shot in the head; and his wife, Jean Wu, age 63, who was beaten, bound, and then violently raped. For unknown reasons on this occasion, Ramirez did not kill his victim. He left behind more clues to his identity, and was named "The Night Stalker" by the media. Survivors of his attacks provided the police with a description of a tall Hispanic man with long dark hair.

On May 30, 1985, Ramirez attacked Malvial Keller, 83, and her disabled sister, Blanche Wolfe, 80, beating each with a hammer. Ramirez attempted to rape Keller, but failed. Using lipstick, he drew pentagrams on Keller's thigh and on the wall in the bedroom. Wolfe survived the attack. The next day, Ruth Wilson, 41, was bound, raped, and sodomized by Ramirez, while her 12-year-old son was locked in a closet. Ramirez slashed Wilson once, and then bound her and her son together, and left.[33]

On July 5, 1985, Ramirez broke into a home in Sierra Madre and bludgeoned sixteen-year-old Whitney Bennett with a tire iron as she slept in her bedroom.[34] She survived the savage beating, which required 478 stitches to close the lacerations to her scalp.[35]

On July 7, 1985, Linda Fortuna, 63, was attacked and Ramirez tried to rape her, but failed.

On July 20, 1985, he again struck twice. In Sun Valley he shot and killed a 32-year-old man, Chitat Assawahem. His wife Sakima, 29, was beaten and forced to perform oral intercourse. Ramirez then collected valuables and proceeded to leave. Later in the same day a Glendale couple, Maxson Kneiding, 66, and his wife Lela, also 66, were shot and their corpses mutilated.

On August 6, 1985, Ramirez shot both Christopher Petersen, 38, and his wife, Virginia, 27, in the head. They both survived.

On August 8, Ramirez attacked a Diamond Bar couple, fatally shooting Ahmed Zia, 35, before raping, sodomizing, and forcing Zia's wife, Suu Kyi, 28, to perform oral sex on him. The description of their attacker fit the previous ones given for "The Walk-in Killer".
The mugshot of Ramirez that led to his apprehension

Ramirez, who had been following the media coverage of his crimes, left the Los Angeles area and headed to the San Francisco Bay area.[36] On August 18, 1985, Ramirez entered the home of Peter Pan, aged sixty-six, and killed the sleeping man with a gunshot to his temple from a .25 caliber handgun.[37] Pan's sixty-two-year-old wife Barbara was beaten and sexually violated before being shot in the head and left for dead.[38] At the crime scene Ramirez used lipstick to scrawl a pentagram and the phrase "Jack the Knife" on the bedroom wall.[38]

The next big break in the case came on August 24, 1985. Ramirez traveled 50 miles south of Los Angeles to Mission Viejo, and broke into the Mediterranean Village apartment of Bill Carns, 29, and his fiancée, Inez Erickson, 27. Ramirez shot Carns in the head and raped Erickson. He demanded she swear her love for Satan and afterwards, forced her to perform oral intercourse on him. He then tied her and left. Erickson struggled to the window and saw the car Ramirez was driving. She was able to give a description of both Ramirez and his orange Toyota station wagon.[39] A teenager later identified the car from news reports and wrote down half its license plate number. The stolen car was found on August 28, and police were able to obtain one fingerprint that was on the mirror of the vehicle. The prints belonged to Richard Muñoz Ramirez, who was described as a 25-year-old drifter from Texas with a long rap sheet that included many arrests for traffic and illegal drug violations.[

I suggest you see a shrink, since you think he is "cuuuuute" You need help.

Even psychopaths can be attractive. Check out this photo of the man who would become the barbaric Russian dictator Joseph Stalin. It was taken when he was in his early 20's.



As long as someone is cute, who gives a flying f**k about their character. Shallowness Rules.




You realize that psychopaths usually end up handsome because they target "prey" who finds them attractive

A good story would be the infamous Ted Bundy, he actually had a pretty good trick he would do

He would pretend that he would need some sort of assists (ex. his arm was broken and there is to many groceries for him to carry) and some young woman sees this attractive young man and ask if he needs assistance, he accepts her assistance



But yeah psychopaths dont care for sympathy or love for others, they just want to play there game
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Mayo2111 wrote:

Depends really on why you are seeing someone. I assume by psychiatrist you actually mean either a therapist or a psychologist. The psychiatrist is the doctor that prescribes you meds whereas the therapist or psychologist is the one who sits down and talks with you each week. A clinical psychologist can actually do both.

If you are going for something like couples counseling, there really isn't much stigma. If you go for something else though, it really all depends. I've not really made any effort to conceal my Schizoaffective Disorder diagnosis (depressive type). I don't really talk about it, but some people have found out (I figure I'm pretty anonymous here so no big deal). I found though that when certain people did find out about it, they quietly walked away. They never said anything to me about it. They just quietly stopped taking my calls and removed me from their facebook, google+, and twitter accounts. It's kind of depressing really. You think people are your friends, but when something like this comes into play you see who are the real deal and who were just faking it as fair weather friends.

As a kid, I was taught that a man was supposed to be tough and never cry. Well, I turned out pretty different from what I was taught as a kid. I'm not a whiner by any means, but I'm not your typical guzzle-a-6-pack-and-get-plastered kind of man. I'm calm. I don't drink, smoke, or party hard. I'm polite, caring, compassionate, I lookout for women and children...you know, all the things most women wish a man would be most of the time.

But some people are afraid to leave me around children because I'm a crazy person! (insert sarcastic tone) I'm non violent. I've never been to prison. I don't argue at all. I'm never confrontational. I don't abuse drugs. I never cuss in front of my mother (out of respect for her) or in front of children. I don't stay out late. I don't drink and drive. I never get in trouble with the law...yet I'm the bad guy because I sometimes hear voices and see things that aren't real.

I think people assume if you are schizophrenic that you have no control over yourself. That's absolutely not true. Obviously there are a few bad apples that were diagnosed and became violent, but most of us aren't violent at all. In fact, many of us (myself included) were victims of violence. It feels like people think all voices that we hear tell us to go do something stupid or hurt someone. That's not true. Again, there can be times where voices will be abusive and very intrusive, but it's not always like that for all of us. I've never once in my life had one of my voices EVER tell me to hurt someone or commit a crime. I cannot speak for everyone else. I guess maybe, in that sense, I've had an easier time than some. Sometimes they'll say some wild stuff, but never have they condoned or pushed me to be violent.

I guess you could say here in the US the stigma is in the diagnosis and not just going to see a therapist. I know a woman who had some problems with depression so she took an antidepressant and no one batted an eye. At the same time though, I had another female friend who was diagnosed as bipolar and she gets avoided like the plague. Sure, the illnesses are different, but they are still people. After I was diagnosed, people automatically assumed I had voices in my head that were telling me to go kill a bunch of people. That's completely false. People just assume such things. I think a lot of it has to do with what people are exposed to. Most people who aren't familiar with these illnesses only know what they've seen on TV and in movies and often times a mentally ill person is portrayed as violent and hateful. Most of us are just trying to get through life like everyone else.

It's all kind of sad, really. I've found it best just to not even mention it to anyone at all. People often don't know how to react to it. If they do react at all, it's almost always negative unless they themselves have been touched by mental illness in some way. If I talk to people in my group about it, it's no big deal at all. If I try to talk to anyone else about it, they usually walk away.



One of my best friends has psychosis, his shit got so bad that he actually thought the other day when we were hanging out, that it was just a dream and that it never happen

Even when i try talking to him, he is always talking in a low tone and I tell him "who are you talking to" and he says "the voices", but even though he does that, he's a calm guy, goes to church, cares for his family and friends, and he's a very respectable guy. So hopefully both you and my friend Chuza get better
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I know this is highly inappropriate and probably really off topic, but this guy is cuuuuute.


On April 10, 1984, 9-year old Mei Leung was found dead in a hotel basement where Ramirez was living. This, his first known murder, was not initially identified as being connected to the crime spree. In 2009, Ramirez's DNA was matched to DNA obtained at the crime scene.[2]

On June 28, 1984, 79-year-old Jennie Vincow was found brutally murdered in her apartment in Glassell Park.[21] She had been stabbed repeatedly while asleep in her bed, and her throat was slashed so deeply that she was nearly decapitated.[22]

On March 17, 1985, Ramirez attacked 22-year-old Maria Hernandez outside her home in Rosemead, shooting her in the face with a .22 caliber handgun after she pulled into her garage.[23] Inside the home was her roommate Dayle Okazaki, age 34, whom Ramirez immediately shot and killed. Hernandez survived her attack because the bullet fired at her ricocheted off the keys she held in her hands as she lifted them to protect herself.[24]

Within an hour of the Rosemead home invasion, Ramirez struck again in Monterey Park. He attacked 30-year-old Tsai-Lian "Veronica" Yu and pulled her out of her car onto the road. He shot her twice with a .22 caliber hangun and fled.[25][26] A police officer found her still breathing, but she was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital.[27] The two attacks occurring on the same day bolstered media attention, and in turn caused panic and fear among the public. The news media dubbed the attacker, who was described as having long curly hair, bulging eyes and wide-spaced rotting teeth, "The Walk-in Killer" and "The Valley Intruder".

On March 27, 1985, Ramirez entered a home that he had burglarized a year earlier in Whittier at approximately 2 a.m. and killed Vincent Zazzara, age 64, with a gunshot to his head from a .22 caliber handgun.[28] Zazzara's wife Maxine, age 44, was awakened by her husband's murder, and Ramirez beat her and bound her hands while demanding to know where her valuables were.[29] While he ransacked the room, Zazzara escaped her bonds and retrieved a shotgun from under the bed, which was not loaded.[30] An infuriated Ramirez shot her three times with the .22, then fetched a large carving knife from the kitchen.[31] Her body was mutilated with multiple stab wounds, and her eyes were gouged out and placed in a jewelry box, which Ramiriez left with.[31] The autopsy determined that the mutilations were post-mortem. Ramirez left footprints in the flower beds, which the police photographed and cast. This was virtually the only evidence that the police had at the time. Bullets found at the scene were matched to those found at previous attacks, and the police realized a serial killer was at large. Vincent and Maxine's bodies were discovered by their son, Peter.[32]

By now, a multi-county police investigation was in operation. The law enforcement agencies worked through the month of April with no additional attacks by Ramirez. Two months after killing the Zazzara couple, Ramirez attacked a married couple: Harold Wu, age 66, who was shot in the head; and his wife, Jean Wu, age 63, who was beaten, bound, and then violently raped. For unknown reasons on this occasion, Ramirez did not kill his victim. He left behind more clues to his identity, and was named "The Night Stalker" by the media. Survivors of his attacks provided the police with a description of a tall Hispanic man with long dark hair.

On May 30, 1985, Ramirez attacked Malvial Keller, 83, and her disabled sister, Blanche Wolfe, 80, beating each with a hammer. Ramirez attempted to rape Keller, but failed. Using lipstick, he drew pentagrams on Keller's thigh and on the wall in the bedroom. Wolfe survived the attack. The next day, Ruth Wilson, 41, was bound, raped, and sodomized by Ramirez, while her 12-year-old son was locked in a closet. Ramirez slashed Wilson once, and then bound her and her son together, and left.[33]

On July 5, 1985, Ramirez broke into a home in Sierra Madre and bludgeoned sixteen-year-old Whitney Bennett with a tire iron as she slept in her bedroom.[34] She survived the savage beating, which required 478 stitches to close the lacerations to her scalp.[35]

On July 7, 1985, Linda Fortuna, 63, was attacked and Ramirez tried to rape her, but failed.

On July 20, 1985, he again struck twice. In Sun Valley he shot and killed a 32-year-old man, Chitat Assawahem. His wife Sakima, 29, was beaten and forced to perform oral intercourse. Ramirez then collected valuables and proceeded to leave. Later in the same day a Glendale couple, Maxson Kneiding, 66, and his wife Lela, also 66, were shot and their corpses mutilated.

On August 6, 1985, Ramirez shot both Christopher Petersen, 38, and his wife, Virginia, 27, in the head. They both survived.

On August 8, Ramirez attacked a Diamond Bar couple, fatally shooting Ahmed Zia, 35, before raping, sodomizing, and forcing Zia's wife, Suu Kyi, 28, to perform oral sex on him. The description of their attacker fit the previous ones given for "The Walk-in Killer".
The mugshot of Ramirez that led to his apprehension

Ramirez, who had been following the media coverage of his crimes, left the Los Angeles area and headed to the San Francisco Bay area.[36] On August 18, 1985, Ramirez entered the home of Peter Pan, aged sixty-six, and killed the sleeping man with a gunshot to his temple from a .25 caliber handgun.[37] Pan's sixty-two-year-old wife Barbara was beaten and sexually violated before being shot in the head and left for dead.[38] At the crime scene Ramirez used lipstick to scrawl a pentagram and the phrase "Jack the Knife" on the bedroom wall.[38]

The next big break in the case came on August 24, 1985. Ramirez traveled 50 miles south of Los Angeles to Mission Viejo, and broke into the Mediterranean Village apartment of Bill Carns, 29, and his fiancée, Inez Erickson, 27. Ramirez shot Carns in the head and raped Erickson. He demanded she swear her love for Satan and afterwards, forced her to perform oral intercourse on him. He then tied her and left. Erickson struggled to the window and saw the car Ramirez was driving. She was able to give a description of both Ramirez and his orange Toyota station wagon.[39] A teenager later identified the car from news reports and wrote down half its license plate number. The stolen car was found on August 28, and police were able to obtain one fingerprint that was on the mirror of the vehicle. The prints belonged to Richard Muñoz Ramirez, who was described as a 25-year-old drifter from Texas with a long rap sheet that included many arrests for traffic and illegal drug violations.[

I suggest you see a shrink, since you think he is "cuuuuute" You need help.

Even psychopaths can be attractive. Check out this photo of the man who would become the barbaric Russian dictator Joseph Stalin. It was taken when he was in his early 20's.



As long as someone is cute, who gives a flying f**k about their character. Shallowness Rules.




You realize that psychopaths usually end up handsome because they target "prey" who finds them attractive

A good story would be the infamous Ted Bundy, he actually had a pretty good trick he would do

He would pretend that he would need some sort of assists (ex. his arm was broken and there is to many groceries for him to carry) and some young woman sees this attractive young man and ask if he needs assistance, he accepts her assistance



But yeah psychopaths dont care for sympathy or love for others, they just want to play there game

That proves the point that your shallowness gets you in a shit load of trouble..if you're gonna help someone out just because they are cute/handsome/pretty.

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I know this is highly inappropriate and probably really off topic, but this guy is cuuuuute.


On April 10, 1984, 9-year old Mei Leung was found dead in a hotel basement where Ramirez was living. This, his first known murder, was not initially identified as being connected to the crime spree. In 2009, Ramirez's DNA was matched to DNA obtained at the crime scene.[2]

On June 28, 1984, 79-year-old Jennie Vincow was found brutally murdered in her apartment in Glassell Park.[21] She had been stabbed repeatedly while asleep in her bed, and her throat was slashed so deeply that she was nearly decapitated.[22]

On March 17, 1985, Ramirez attacked 22-year-old Maria Hernandez outside her home in Rosemead, shooting her in the face with a .22 caliber handgun after she pulled into her garage.[23] Inside the home was her roommate Dayle Okazaki, age 34, whom Ramirez immediately shot and killed. Hernandez survived her attack because the bullet fired at her ricocheted off the keys she held in her hands as she lifted them to protect herself.[24]

Within an hour of the Rosemead home invasion, Ramirez struck again in Monterey Park. He attacked 30-year-old Tsai-Lian "Veronica" Yu and pulled her out of her car onto the road. He shot her twice with a .22 caliber hangun and fled.[25][26] A police officer found her still breathing, but she was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital.[27] The two attacks occurring on the same day bolstered media attention, and in turn caused panic and fear among the public. The news media dubbed the attacker, who was described as having long curly hair, bulging eyes and wide-spaced rotting teeth, "The Walk-in Killer" and "The Valley Intruder".

On March 27, 1985, Ramirez entered a home that he had burglarized a year earlier in Whittier at approximately 2 a.m. and killed Vincent Zazzara, age 64, with a gunshot to his head from a .22 caliber handgun.[28] Zazzara's wife Maxine, age 44, was awakened by her husband's murder, and Ramirez beat her and bound her hands while demanding to know where her valuables were.[29] While he ransacked the room, Zazzara escaped her bonds and retrieved a shotgun from under the bed, which was not loaded.[30] An infuriated Ramirez shot her three times with the .22, then fetched a large carving knife from the kitchen.[31] Her body was mutilated with multiple stab wounds, and her eyes were gouged out and placed in a jewelry box, which Ramiriez left with.[31] The autopsy determined that the mutilations were post-mortem. Ramirez left footprints in the flower beds, which the police photographed and cast. This was virtually the only evidence that the police had at the time. Bullets found at the scene were matched to those found at previous attacks, and the police realized a serial killer was at large. Vincent and Maxine's bodies were discovered by their son, Peter.[32]

By now, a multi-county police investigation was in operation. The law enforcement agencies worked through the month of April with no additional attacks by Ramirez. Two months after killing the Zazzara couple, Ramirez attacked a married couple: Harold Wu, age 66, who was shot in the head; and his wife, Jean Wu, age 63, who was beaten, bound, and then violently raped. For unknown reasons on this occasion, Ramirez did not kill his victim. He left behind more clues to his identity, and was named "The Night Stalker" by the media. Survivors of his attacks provided the police with a description of a tall Hispanic man with long dark hair.

On May 30, 1985, Ramirez attacked Malvial Keller, 83, and her disabled sister, Blanche Wolfe, 80, beating each with a hammer. Ramirez attempted to rape Keller, but failed. Using lipstick, he drew pentagrams on Keller's thigh and on the wall in the bedroom. Wolfe survived the attack. The next day, Ruth Wilson, 41, was bound, raped, and sodomized by Ramirez, while her 12-year-old son was locked in a closet. Ramirez slashed Wilson once, and then bound her and her son together, and left.[33]

On July 5, 1985, Ramirez broke into a home in Sierra Madre and bludgeoned sixteen-year-old Whitney Bennett with a tire iron as she slept in her bedroom.[34] She survived the savage beating, which required 478 stitches to close the lacerations to her scalp.[35]

On July 7, 1985, Linda Fortuna, 63, was attacked and Ramirez tried to rape her, but failed.

On July 20, 1985, he again struck twice. In Sun Valley he shot and killed a 32-year-old man, Chitat Assawahem. His wife Sakima, 29, was beaten and forced to perform oral intercourse. Ramirez then collected valuables and proceeded to leave. Later in the same day a Glendale couple, Maxson Kneiding, 66, and his wife Lela, also 66, were shot and their corpses mutilated.

On August 6, 1985, Ramirez shot both Christopher Petersen, 38, and his wife, Virginia, 27, in the head. They both survived.

On August 8, Ramirez attacked a Diamond Bar couple, fatally shooting Ahmed Zia, 35, before raping, sodomizing, and forcing Zia's wife, Suu Kyi, 28, to perform oral sex on him. The description of their attacker fit the previous ones given for "The Walk-in Killer".
The mugshot of Ramirez that led to his apprehension

Ramirez, who had been following the media coverage of his crimes, left the Los Angeles area and headed to the San Francisco Bay area.[36] On August 18, 1985, Ramirez entered the home of Peter Pan, aged sixty-six, and killed the sleeping man with a gunshot to his temple from a .25 caliber handgun.[37] Pan's sixty-two-year-old wife Barbara was beaten and sexually violated before being shot in the head and left for dead.[38] At the crime scene Ramirez used lipstick to scrawl a pentagram and the phrase "Jack the Knife" on the bedroom wall.[38]

The next big break in the case came on August 24, 1985. Ramirez traveled 50 miles south of Los Angeles to Mission Viejo, and broke into the Mediterranean Village apartment of Bill Carns, 29, and his fiancée, Inez Erickson, 27. Ramirez shot Carns in the head and raped Erickson. He demanded she swear her love for Satan and afterwards, forced her to perform oral intercourse on him. He then tied her and left. Erickson struggled to the window and saw the car Ramirez was driving. She was able to give a description of both Ramirez and his orange Toyota station wagon.[39] A teenager later identified the car from news reports and wrote down half its license plate number. The stolen car was found on August 28, and police were able to obtain one fingerprint that was on the mirror of the vehicle. The prints belonged to Richard Muñoz Ramirez, who was described as a 25-year-old drifter from Texas with a long rap sheet that included many arrests for traffic and illegal drug violations.[

I suggest you see a shrink, since you think he is "cuuuuute" You need help.

Even psychopaths can be attractive. Check out this photo of the man who would become the barbaric Russian dictator Joseph Stalin. It was taken when he was in his early 20's.



As long as someone is cute, who gives a flying f**k about their character. Shallowness Rules.




You realize that psychopaths usually end up handsome because they target "prey" who finds them attractive

A good story would be the infamous Ted Bundy, he actually had a pretty good trick he would do

He would pretend that he would need some sort of assists (ex. his arm was broken and there is to many groceries for him to carry) and some young woman sees this attractive young man and ask if he needs assistance, he accepts her assistance



But yeah psychopaths dont care for sympathy or love for others, they just want to play there game

That proves the point that your shallowness gets you in a shit load of trouble..if you're gonna help someone out just because they are cute/handsome/pretty.



Thats a given though, psychopaths arent going to go out looking like bums on the street, they groom themselves to catch the eyes of others, i'm pretty sure that if people like Ted Bundy started to dress up like a bum or had a t-shirt that said "I kill people for a living" I think alot more people would have avoided him more
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I know this is highly inappropriate and probably really off topic, but this guy is cuuuuute.


On April 10, 1984, 9-year old Mei Leung was found dead in a hotel basement where Ramirez was living. This, his first known murder, was not initially identified as being connected to the crime spree. In 2009, Ramirez's DNA was matched to DNA obtained at the crime scene.[2]

On June 28, 1984, 79-year-old Jennie Vincow was found brutally murdered in her apartment in Glassell Park.[21] She had been stabbed repeatedly while asleep in her bed, and her throat was slashed so deeply that she was nearly decapitated.[22]

On March 17, 1985, Ramirez attacked 22-year-old Maria Hernandez outside her home in Rosemead, shooting her in the face with a .22 caliber handgun after she pulled into her garage.[23] Inside the home was her roommate Dayle Okazaki, age 34, whom Ramirez immediately shot and killed. Hernandez survived her attack because the bullet fired at her ricocheted off the keys she held in her hands as she lifted them to protect herself.[24]

Within an hour of the Rosemead home invasion, Ramirez struck again in Monterey Park. He attacked 30-year-old Tsai-Lian "Veronica" Yu and pulled her out of her car onto the road. He shot her twice with a .22 caliber hangun and fled.[25][26] A police officer found her still breathing, but she was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital.[27] The two attacks occurring on the same day bolstered media attention, and in turn caused panic and fear among the public. The news media dubbed the attacker, who was described as having long curly hair, bulging eyes and wide-spaced rotting teeth, "The Walk-in Killer" and "The Valley Intruder".

On March 27, 1985, Ramirez entered a home that he had burglarized a year earlier in Whittier at approximately 2 a.m. and killed Vincent Zazzara, age 64, with a gunshot to his head from a .22 caliber handgun.[28] Zazzara's wife Maxine, age 44, was awakened by her husband's murder, and Ramirez beat her and bound her hands while demanding to know where her valuables were.[29] While he ransacked the room, Zazzara escaped her bonds and retrieved a shotgun from under the bed, which was not loaded.[30] An infuriated Ramirez shot her three times with the .22, then fetched a large carving knife from the kitchen.[31] Her body was mutilated with multiple stab wounds, and her eyes were gouged out and placed in a jewelry box, which Ramiriez left with.[31] The autopsy determined that the mutilations were post-mortem. Ramirez left footprints in the flower beds, which the police photographed and cast. This was virtually the only evidence that the police had at the time. Bullets found at the scene were matched to those found at previous attacks, and the police realized a serial killer was at large. Vincent and Maxine's bodies were discovered by their son, Peter.[32]

By now, a multi-county police investigation was in operation. The law enforcement agencies worked through the month of April with no additional attacks by Ramirez. Two months after killing the Zazzara couple, Ramirez attacked a married couple: Harold Wu, age 66, who was shot in the head; and his wife, Jean Wu, age 63, who was beaten, bound, and then violently raped. For unknown reasons on this occasion, Ramirez did not kill his victim. He left behind more clues to his identity, and was named "The Night Stalker" by the media. Survivors of his attacks provided the police with a description of a tall Hispanic man with long dark hair.

On May 30, 1985, Ramirez attacked Malvial Keller, 83, and her disabled sister, Blanche Wolfe, 80, beating each with a hammer. Ramirez attempted to rape Keller, but failed. Using lipstick, he drew pentagrams on Keller's thigh and on the wall in the bedroom. Wolfe survived the attack. The next day, Ruth Wilson, 41, was bound, raped, and sodomized by Ramirez, while her 12-year-old son was locked in a closet. Ramirez slashed Wilson once, and then bound her and her son together, and left.[33]

On July 5, 1985, Ramirez broke into a home in Sierra Madre and bludgeoned sixteen-year-old Whitney Bennett with a tire iron as she slept in her bedroom.[34] She survived the savage beating, which required 478 stitches to close the lacerations to her scalp.[35]

On July 7, 1985, Linda Fortuna, 63, was attacked and Ramirez tried to rape her, but failed.

On July 20, 1985, he again struck twice. In Sun Valley he shot and killed a 32-year-old man, Chitat Assawahem. His wife Sakima, 29, was beaten and forced to perform oral intercourse. Ramirez then collected valuables and proceeded to leave. Later in the same day a Glendale couple, Maxson Kneiding, 66, and his wife Lela, also 66, were shot and their corpses mutilated.

On August 6, 1985, Ramirez shot both Christopher Petersen, 38, and his wife, Virginia, 27, in the head. They both survived.

On August 8, Ramirez attacked a Diamond Bar couple, fatally shooting Ahmed Zia, 35, before raping, sodomizing, and forcing Zia's wife, Suu Kyi, 28, to perform oral sex on him. The description of their attacker fit the previous ones given for "The Walk-in Killer".
The mugshot of Ramirez that led to his apprehension

Ramirez, who had been following the media coverage of his crimes, left the Los Angeles area and headed to the San Francisco Bay area.[36] On August 18, 1985, Ramirez entered the home of Peter Pan, aged sixty-six, and killed the sleeping man with a gunshot to his temple from a .25 caliber handgun.[37] Pan's sixty-two-year-old wife Barbara was beaten and sexually violated before being shot in the head and left for dead.[38] At the crime scene Ramirez used lipstick to scrawl a pentagram and the phrase "Jack the Knife" on the bedroom wall.[38]

The next big break in the case came on August 24, 1985. Ramirez traveled 50 miles south of Los Angeles to Mission Viejo, and broke into the Mediterranean Village apartment of Bill Carns, 29, and his fiancée, Inez Erickson, 27. Ramirez shot Carns in the head and raped Erickson. He demanded she swear her love for Satan and afterwards, forced her to perform oral intercourse on him. He then tied her and left. Erickson struggled to the window and saw the car Ramirez was driving. She was able to give a description of both Ramirez and his orange Toyota station wagon.[39] A teenager later identified the car from news reports and wrote down half its license plate number. The stolen car was found on August 28, and police were able to obtain one fingerprint that was on the mirror of the vehicle. The prints belonged to Richard Muñoz Ramirez, who was described as a 25-year-old drifter from Texas with a long rap sheet that included many arrests for traffic and illegal drug violations.[

I suggest you see a shrink, since you think he is "cuuuuute" You need help.





Oh, please. The person who posted the pictures included one from a movie (Silence of the Lambs), but didn't bother posting that little tidbit. The person also didn't say who the other people were, which could easily lead people to doubt the credibility of the rest of the pics. Her making a comment regarding his appearance doesn't mean that comradehambaga needs to see a shrink. Instead, it just means that she likely had no idea who he was. Even if she knew... You may call it shallow to make a random observation about someone's appearance, but that's incredibly asinine. I can see how Ramirez can be considered attractive by looks alone, yet that only means that he's a physically-attractive monster who probably used his appearance to lure unsuspecting victims. comradhambaga only made a basic observation, which is hardly unhealthy. It doesn't mean that she would trust someone like that if she were to meet him face-to-face, though. Have you never took note of a stranger's looks and judge them to be attractive, despite not knowing whether or not they're a psychopath? It's easy for you to point fingers at known killers and cut down other people for finding them even remotely attractive, but you undoubtedly make the same "shallow" mistakes every time you positively assess a stranger's appearance and/or character.
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I know this is highly inappropriate and probably really off topic, but this guy is cuuuuute.


On April 10, 1984, 9-year old Mei Leung was found dead in a hotel basement where Ramirez was living. This, his first known murder, was not initially identified as being connected to the crime spree. In 2009, Ramirez's DNA was matched to DNA obtained at the crime scene.[2]

On June 28, 1984, 79-year-old Jennie Vincow was found brutally murdered in her apartment in Glassell Park.[21] She had been stabbed repeatedly while asleep in her bed, and her throat was slashed so deeply that she was nearly decapitated.[22]

On March 17, 1985, Ramirez attacked 22-year-old Maria Hernandez outside her home in Rosemead, shooting her in the face with a .22 caliber handgun after she pulled into her garage.[23] Inside the home was her roommate Dayle Okazaki, age 34, whom Ramirez immediately shot and killed. Hernandez survived her attack because the bullet fired at her ricocheted off the keys she held in her hands as she lifted them to protect herself.[24]

Within an hour of the Rosemead home invasion, Ramirez struck again in Monterey Park. He attacked 30-year-old Tsai-Lian "Veronica" Yu and pulled her out of her car onto the road. He shot her twice with a .22 caliber hangun and fled.[25][26] A police officer found her still breathing, but she was pronounced dead on arrival at the hospital.[27] The two attacks occurring on the same day bolstered media attention, and in turn caused panic and fear among the public. The news media dubbed the attacker, who was described as having long curly hair, bulging eyes and wide-spaced rotting teeth, "The Walk-in Killer" and "The Valley Intruder".

On March 27, 1985, Ramirez entered a home that he had burglarized a year earlier in Whittier at approximately 2 a.m. and killed Vincent Zazzara, age 64, with a gunshot to his head from a .22 caliber handgun.[28] Zazzara's wife Maxine, age 44, was awakened by her husband's murder, and Ramirez beat her and bound her hands while demanding to know where her valuables were.[29] While he ransacked the room, Zazzara escaped her bonds and retrieved a shotgun from under the bed, which was not loaded.[30] An infuriated Ramirez shot her three times with the .22, then fetched a large carving knife from the kitchen.[31] Her body was mutilated with multiple stab wounds, and her eyes were gouged out and placed in a jewelry box, which Ramiriez left with.[31] The autopsy determined that the mutilations were post-mortem. Ramirez left footprints in the flower beds, which the police photographed and cast. This was virtually the only evidence that the police had at the time. Bullets found at the scene were matched to those found at previous attacks, and the police realized a serial killer was at large. Vincent and Maxine's bodies were discovered by their son, Peter.[32]

By now, a multi-county police investigation was in operation. The law enforcement agencies worked through the month of April with no additional attacks by Ramirez. Two months after killing the Zazzara couple, Ramirez attacked a married couple: Harold Wu, age 66, who was shot in the head; and his wife, Jean Wu, age 63, who was beaten, bound, and then violently raped. For unknown reasons on this occasion, Ramirez did not kill his victim. He left behind more clues to his identity, and was named "The Night Stalker" by the media. Survivors of his attacks provided the police with a description of a tall Hispanic man with long dark hair.

On May 30, 1985, Ramirez attacked Malvial Keller, 83, and her disabled sister, Blanche Wolfe, 80, beating each with a hammer. Ramirez attempted to rape Keller, but failed. Using lipstick, he drew pentagrams on Keller's thigh and on the wall in the bedroom. Wolfe survived the attack. The next day, Ruth Wilson, 41, was bound, raped, and sodomized by Ramirez, while her 12-year-old son was locked in a closet. Ramirez slashed Wilson once, and then bound her and her son together, and left.[33]

On July 5, 1985, Ramirez broke into a home in Sierra Madre and bludgeoned sixteen-year-old Whitney Bennett with a tire iron as she slept in her bedroom.[34] She survived the savage beating, which required 478 stitches to close the lacerations to her scalp.[35]

On July 7, 1985, Linda Fortuna, 63, was attacked and Ramirez tried to rape her, but failed.

On July 20, 1985, he again struck twice. In Sun Valley he shot and killed a 32-year-old man, Chitat Assawahem. His wife Sakima, 29, was beaten and forced to perform oral intercourse. Ramirez then collected valuables and proceeded to leave. Later in the same day a Glendale couple, Maxson Kneiding, 66, and his wife Lela, also 66, were shot and their corpses mutilated.

On August 6, 1985, Ramirez shot both Christopher Petersen, 38, and his wife, Virginia, 27, in the head. They both survived.

On August 8, Ramirez attacked a Diamond Bar couple, fatally shooting Ahmed Zia, 35, before raping, sodomizing, and forcing Zia's wife, Suu Kyi, 28, to perform oral sex on him. The description of their attacker fit the previous ones given for "The Walk-in Killer".
The mugshot of Ramirez that led to his apprehension

Ramirez, who had been following the media coverage of his crimes, left the Los Angeles area and headed to the San Francisco Bay area.[36] On August 18, 1985, Ramirez entered the home of Peter Pan, aged sixty-six, and killed the sleeping man with a gunshot to his temple from a .25 caliber handgun.[37] Pan's sixty-two-year-old wife Barbara was beaten and sexually violated before being shot in the head and left for dead.[38] At the crime scene Ramirez used lipstick to scrawl a pentagram and the phrase "Jack the Knife" on the bedroom wall.[38]

The next big break in the case came on August 24, 1985. Ramirez traveled 50 miles south of Los Angeles to Mission Viejo, and broke into the Mediterranean Village apartment of Bill Carns, 29, and his fiancée, Inez Erickson, 27. Ramirez shot Carns in the head and raped Erickson. He demanded she swear her love for Satan and afterwards, forced her to perform oral intercourse on him. He then tied her and left. Erickson struggled to the window and saw the car Ramirez was driving. She was able to give a description of both Ramirez and his orange Toyota station wagon.[39] A teenager later identified the car from news reports and wrote down half its license plate number. The stolen car was found on August 28, and police were able to obtain one fingerprint that was on the mirror of the vehicle. The prints belonged to Richard Muñoz Ramirez, who was described as a 25-year-old drifter from Texas with a long rap sheet that included many arrests for traffic and illegal drug violations.[

I suggest you see a shrink, since you think he is "cuuuuute" You need help.





Oh, please. The person who posted the pictures included one from a movie (Silence of the Lambs), but didn't bother posting that little tidbit. The person also didn't say who the other people were, which could easily lead people to doubt the credibility of the rest of the pics. Her making a comment regarding his appearance doesn't mean that comradehambaga needs to see a shrink. Instead, it just means that she likely had no idea who he was. Even if she knew... You may call it shallow to make a random observation about someone's appearance, but that's incredibly asinine. I can see how Ramirez can be considered attractive by looks alone, yet that only means that he's a physically-attractive monster who probably used his appearance to lure unsuspecting victims. comradhambaga only made a basic observation, which is hardly unhealthy. It doesn't mean that she would trust someone like that if she were to meet him face-to-face, though. Have you never took note of a stranger's looks and judge them to be attractive, despite not knowing whether or not they're a psychopath? It's easy for you to point fingers at known killers and cut down other people for finding them even remotely attractive, but you undoubtedly make the same "shallow" mistakes every time you positively assess a stranger's appearance and/or character.


He didn't lure his victims with his looks, hence he was The Night Stalker and broke into homes and windows to get his victims, in the dark of night, mainly when they were asleep. Anyways, now he is cute and dead.
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crazysouthsider wrote:

In the United States seeing a psychiatrist doesn't have a social stigma stuck to it, like it does in other countries like Ireland or the UK. The normal cultural view in American society of someone going to a psychiatrist is they are getting better and people don't have negative views about a person that goes to one. But in Ireland or the UK if you see a psychiatrist people think that your sick person and your crazy.

I was wondering what is norm for what people in your country think about people that see a psychiatrist or a psychologist?



where are you from?

most of us Brits pay no attention to it to be hoist . UK is one most laid back places were we don't give a F about other people problems

but i love nutty people just keep the overly nutty ones in a room please behind a locked door


That last part was just the kind of thing I was talking about. "I like crazy people, but they need to be locked behind doors"

Just because you go see a psychologist doesn't mean your crazy
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Depends really on why you are seeing someone. I assume by psychiatrist you actually mean either a therapist or a psychologist. The psychiatrist is the doctor that prescribes you meds whereas the therapist or psychologist is the one who sits down and talks with you each week. A clinical psychologist can actually do both.

If you are going for something like couples counseling, there really isn't much stigma. If you go for something else though, it really all depends. I've not really made any effort to conceal my Schizoaffective Disorder diagnosis (depressive type). I don't really talk about it, but some people have found out (I figure I'm pretty anonymous here so no big deal). I found though that when certain people did find out about it, they quietly walked away. They never said anything to me about it. They just quietly stopped taking my calls and removed me from their facebook, google+, and twitter accounts. It's kind of depressing really. You think people are your friends, but when something like this comes into play you see who are the real deal and who were just faking it as fair weather friends.

As a kid, I was taught that a man was supposed to be tough and never cry. Well, I turned out pretty different from what I was taught as a kid. I'm not a whiner by any means, but I'm not your typical guzzle-a-6-pack-and-get-plastered kind of man. I'm calm. I don't drink, smoke, or party hard. I'm polite, caring, compassionate, I lookout for women and children...you know, all the things most women wish a man would be most of the time.

But some people are afraid to leave me around children because I'm a crazy person! (insert sarcastic tone) I'm non violent. I've never been to prison. I don't argue at all. I'm never confrontational. I don't abuse drugs. I never cuss in front of my mother (out of respect for her) or in front of children. I don't stay out late. I don't drink and drive. I never get in trouble with the law...yet I'm the bad guy because I sometimes hear voices and see things that aren't real.

I think people assume if you are schizophrenic that you have no control over yourself. That's absolutely not true. Obviously there are a few bad apples that were diagnosed and became violent, but most of us aren't violent at all. In fact, many of us (myself included) were victims of violence. It feels like people think all voices that we hear tell us to go do something stupid or hurt someone. That's not true. Again, there can be times where voices will be abusive and very intrusive, but it's not always like that for all of us. I've never once in my life had one of my voices EVER tell me to hurt someone or commit a crime. I cannot speak for everyone else. I guess maybe, in that sense, I've had an easier time than some. Sometimes they'll say some wild stuff, but never have they condoned or pushed me to be violent.

I guess you could say here in the US the stigma is in the diagnosis and not just going to see a therapist. I know a woman who had some problems with depression so she took an antidepressant and no one batted an eye. At the same time though, I had another female friend who was diagnosed as bipolar and she gets avoided like the plague. Sure, the illnesses are different, but they are still people. After I was diagnosed, people automatically assumed I had voices in my head that were telling me to go kill a bunch of people. That's completely false. People just assume such things. I think a lot of it has to do with what people are exposed to. Most people who aren't familiar with these illnesses only know what they've seen on TV and in movies and often times a mentally ill person is portrayed as violent and hateful. Most of us are just trying to get through life like everyone else.

It's all kind of sad, really. I've found it best just to not even mention it to anyone at all. People often don't know how to react to it. If they do react at all, it's almost always negative unless they themselves have been touched by mental illness in some way. If I talk to people in my group about it, it's no big deal at all. If I try to talk to anyone else about it, they usually walk away.



Thanks for sharing. It think you do have a point about Americans having a stigma depending on the diagnosis.
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crazysouthsider wrote:


ColouringYourLife wrote:


crazysouthsider wrote:

In the United States seeing a psychiatrist doesn't have a social stigma stuck to it, like it does in other countries like Ireland or the UK. The normal cultural view in American society of someone going to a psychiatrist is they are getting better and people don't have negative views about a person that goes to one. But in Ireland or the UK if you see a psychiatrist people think that your sick person and your crazy.

I was wondering what is norm for what people in your country think about people that see a psychiatrist or a psychologist?



where are you from?

most of us Brits pay no attention to it to be hoist . UK is one most laid back places were we don't give a F about other people problems

but i love nutty people just keep the overly nutty ones in a room please behind a locked door


That last part was just the kind of thing I was talking about. "I like crazy people, but they need to be locked behind doors"

Just because you go see a psychologist doesn't mean your crazy


no i don't mean like that i was on people that like are like well lost it just see things then like go nutty wont kill them and end up killing some person
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Oh, please. The person who posted the pictures included one from a movie (Silence of the Lambs), but didn't bother posting that little tidbit. The person also didn't say who the other people were, which could easily lead people to doubt the credibility of the rest of the pics. Her making a comment regarding his appearance doesn't mean that comradehambaga needs to see a shrink. Instead, it just means that she likely had no idea who he was. Even if she knew... You may call it shallow to make a random observation about someone's appearance, but that's incredibly asinine. I can see how Ramirez can be considered attractive by looks alone, yet that only means that he's a physically-attractive monster who probably used his appearance to lure unsuspecting victims. comradhambaga only made a basic observation, which is hardly unhealthy. It doesn't mean that she would trust someone like that if she were to meet him face-to-face, though. Have you never took note of a stranger's looks and judge them to be attractive, despite not knowing whether or not they're a psychopath? It's easy for you to point fingers at known killers and cut down other people for finding them even remotely attractive, but you undoubtedly make the same "shallow" mistakes every time you positively assess a stranger's appearance and/or character.




Please explain what you mean here, I don't know how me illustrating someone's perspective of psychiatric treatment and counseling automatically means that I have problems, when I never made a comment about Ramirez's looks. Also, I'm a guy.

I decided to omit who Hannibal Lecter, Charles Manson, or Ramirez are since I thought they'd be common knowledge, and it was meant to describe my experiences of people's reactions whom I've told I've seen a psychiatrist or have gone to counseling. Furthermore, it's an internet forum, so I'm a little more careless about posting extra information.

As for the other two people. . . I don't know who they are, I just Googled "depression" and that's what came up. I personally chose them since that's how the majority of people who are psychiatric patients are. Of course you'll have your certain extreme cases, but for the most part that's how I feel psychiatric patients are. The social stigma of mental health is really messed up.

I also can't believe a few pictures and one girl's observation have completely changed the course of this thread.
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I think we got a little off track here lol
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I think it generally depends on the individual. It's fairly natural to judge others based on red flags. It isn't exactly a great impression when someone tells you they are suffering from a mental illness. Especially when you consider that people's minds usually go to the worst possible scenarios.

For instance, sociopaths... Yes, they can be attractive. Most of them are very charming and appear very nice. They can also be very harmless. There are a lot of sociopaths within our day to day society that function and operate perfectly fine. But we always kind of imagine the worst possible scenario. A psychopath! rawr! An intelligent sociopath isn't going to do something that puts his or her "self" in an uncomfortable or regrettable situation. They are capable of leading a life that pretty much resembles a "normal" person.

Psychology isn't exactly a great field atm. In my opinion, it is currently stunted and ass backwards. Even the people with "official" diagnoses might only suffer from mild forms of mental illness, but the "throw a handful of drugs at them and take however many stick!" method is kind of a problem. Plus, you have to realize that most things people experience as mental illness is simply a heightened version of an already present human personality trait. We all get sad. We all act selfish. We all have an ego and we all get mad.

But to answer your question, I think it entirely depends on the person. I don't think it would be accurate to presume a society or even city's stance on a particular topic. Even family members may have differing opinions. The most empathetic people regarding mental illness will be people who have experienced it personally, whether themselves or a family member. The ones who fear it or associate stereotypes/stigma will be the individuals with very little personal experience, because ultimately it isn't something to fear.
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