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The police are both right and wrong in this situation.

First, they're wrong for detaining the guy without also checking to ensure the dog was secured in the car properly. The dog was only trying to protect his owner.

Second, the police handled the situation according to procedure. They made at least one attempt to de-escalate the situation until the dog attacked at least a second time. At that point the officer opened fire because the situation was getting worse. You don't own that dog and you don't know if and what it's been trained to do, which has happened as many times outside of the public eye.

Could the officer have used other methods? Perhaps, but mace would be the only possible alternative in that scenario. And the reason it was probably not used was because of the proximity of several other people around him.

So in the, the police are both right and wrong in the whole of things.
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not gonna lie i would have flipped if i was there that's disgusting i get it your afraid but the first thing you do is shoot the dog you're just a trigger happy piece of shit that's why people needlessly get shot i mean i know it's not a human and apparently cops are more important than even humans but i mean really at least fire a warning shot it has a leash there are three guys one of you get the handcuffs off the owner and let him calm down the dog in my opinion that cop is more of a wild beast than that dog fucking asshole
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Er, none of those spectators went to get the dog? Wow, nice neighborhood. I personally hate dogs, but I have gone and handled plenty of loose dogs owned by strangers, mostly so they wouldn't end up getting hit by a car. You should just expect the police to end up killing your pets if it's left to them.
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Akemui wrote:

not gonna lie i would have flipped if i was there that's disgusting i get it your afraid but the first thing you do is shoot the dog you're just a trigger happy piece of shit that's why people needlessly get shot i mean i know it's not a human and apparently cops are more important than even humans but i mean really at least fire a warning shot it has a leash there are three guys one of you get the handcuffs off the owner and let him calm down the dog in my opinion that cop is more of a wild beast than that dog fucking asshole



Police don't fire warning shots. Not only do you risk ricochet, but you also have the old saying "what goes up must come down" and regardless of where you fire said 'warning shot', you risk it bouncing and striking someone. So no, bad idea there. :)


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Akemui wrote:

not gonna lie i would have flipped if i was there that's disgusting i get it your afraid but the first thing you do is shoot the dog you're just a trigger happy piece of shit that's why people needlessly get shot i mean i know it's not a human and apparently cops are more important than even humans but i mean really at least fire a warning shot it has a leash there are three guys one of you get the handcuffs off the owner and let him calm down the dog in my opinion that cop is more of a wild beast than that dog fucking asshole



Police don't fire warning shots. Not only do you risk ricochet, but you also have the old saying "what goes up must come down" and regardless of where you fire said 'warning shot', you risk it bouncing and striking someone. So no, bad idea there. :)




i was just trying to compromise i already knew that people like that piss me off so i was just saying that instead of shooting also it was dirt right in front of him so even tho it isn't smart it wouldn't ricochet the dirt would eat the bullet and just make a hole and even if it's dangerous you really don't think cops have done things like it in similar situations then you're strongly mistaken
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And I have to disagree again, perhaps cops have done what you've said but those cops are complete idiots then, Barney Fife level stupid.

However, in reality, most cops have the training and skill to not do such, even in the under the worst of circumstance.

If one really wanted to be particular about this scenario: taser. :)
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Its very 50/50 everyone kinda takes the blame here.
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It's just a dog.
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Absolutely horrible. Cop shouldn't have shot it, but he wouldn't have been in that situation if it wasn't for it's owner. Stopped at the scene of an armed robbery/105 minute standoff situation, left his music on, he later admitted he didn't turn it off when asked by cops. You're asking to be detained when you're interfering with police at the scene of a crime.
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Dog attempted to help his owner, I'm sure the owner told him to stop, dog didn't listen. So it was the right thing to do.
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No fault on the police officer, dangerous dog comes running at you he did he job. This isnt tragic, its an animal no different to a cow which you would happily kill hundreds of to eat, tragic would be if he shot a small kid by accident etc. Saying its natural for the dog to attack someone which makes it ok is dumb, dangerous dog is dangerous and gets what was coming to it. Its childish and naive to think and different


There's a difference between cows and dogs - Cows don't really care about anything. It's as if they were made to be turned into steak. Dogs, on the other hand, are friendly, and do care about certain things. I'm not trying to be an animal rights activist here, but I'm just saying. Dogs will attack when their owners are being handled, they assume their owners are being attacked. They are very loyal, unlike a dumb cow.


Man... You like, insulted all of India since, if you didn't skip school to watch your precious anime, known that the Cow is sacred.

You know what sacred means?


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But people who said the cops are right to shoot the dog act as if the dog is nothing, when in reality it is still a friend to somebody, and it's worth something to somebody... it's no different from a human...

Dogs and humans are totally different, which is why we have leash laws. Also, when crazed humans attack other humans and try to bite their faces off, they also get shot to death (evidence is the cannibalistic attacks of 2012 and 2011).
Every large breed dog owner knows that when their animal attacks a person, the animal will die, even if the attack is justifiable by natural guarding behaviors. The officer was not at fault for shooting the dog.


I know that dogs and humans have different rights (that's why crazy organisations like PETA exist), but that's not my point.


My point was if it was a human that officer shot, people will be more likely to question his action. If it was a human, he would have taken a lot of prior action before shooting down the potential threat, for example, giving a verbal warning up to 3 times, before shooting the potential human threat in the leg. But because it was a dog, that officer just shot it down, not once, but three or four times without trying to do anything else.
Because in his mind, an animal is probably nothing to him, but I don't see it that way. Why couldn't he treat it like a human? That dog might not be human, but it's worth something to somebody, that was my point, that dog was no different in that aspect.

And I wouldn't care if a person was shot down, if the officer gave sufficient warning and no compliance was met.


Shooting in the leg? 3 times verbal warning?
Now I know you're talking out of your *** and have most likely never handled a weapon in your life.
Center mass. When you pull the trigger, you're shooting to kill.
That is something all cops and soldiers know.
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Man... You like, insulted all of India since, if you didn't skip school to watch your precious anime, known that the Cow is sacred.

You know what sacred means?




I'm quite aware they worship cows, and I know what sacred means.

But I'm not from India, I'm from the U.S.A. I don't share their beliefs. Don't assume I am. I didn't mean any offense from projecting my beliefs.
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Shooting in the leg? 3 times verbal warning?
Now I know you're talking out of your *** and have most likely never handled a weapon in your life.
Center mass. When you pull the trigger, you're shooting to kill.
That is something all cops and soldiers know.



Why do you sound so angry?

I'm not forcing my beliefs on anyone, I'm not a PETA member.


Just because I don't believe in the "kill or be killed" philosophy...
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Just because I don't believe in the "kill or be killed" philosophy...


It's called not being an idiot and potentially injuring innocent bystanders by thinking you should aim at a harder target.

Do you know how much force you need to pull the trigger on a police handgun? Those require more pressure than civillian weapons in order to discharge a round. What you're demanding them to do is try and play sniper with a smaller target.

So what would happen if cops are now required to disable targets via arms and legs? More lawsuits by bystanders who get hit or their families if worse.

Try and think next time, keyboard warrior.
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Just because I don't believe in the "kill or be killed" philosophy...


It's called not being an idiot and potentially injuring innocent bystanders by thinking you should aim at a harder target.

Do you know how much force you need to pull the trigger on a police handgun? Those require more pressure than civillian weapons in order to discharge a round. What you're demanding them to do is try and play sniper with a smaller target.

So what would happen if cops are now required to disable targets via arms and legs? More lawsuits by bystanders who get hit or their families if worse.

Try and think next time, keyboard warrior.



I ain't no keyboard warrior. I express my opinions on things, whether it's on the internet or in real life. I have expressed my views about gay marriage in real life before, in a high school where nobody was gay. I'm not afraid to speak my mind.



My posts in this message weren't supposed to be about changing the laws on anything. I know that the laws won't change regardless if I protest against it. You totally missed the point of my posts.


The point of my post was to express that what the cop did was not compassionate, I was merely discussing why can't these cops be more compassionate towards animals...
And you and other people express that course of action is idiotic, which is your opinion, it doesn't make mine wrong.

After all, society was built upon compassion, not primitive urge to kill stuffs deemed as a threat.
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