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Hawthorne Police Department Kill Rottweiler Dog in front of owner.
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Posted 7/2/13
From watching the video, it appears to me that the cops had plenty of time to maybe taser/mace the dog; seeing as to how it had sniffed the ground a few seconds and even backed up a bit prior to its 'attack.' But who knows? Maybe the cops were under pressure/stress from what was going on before.
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TheJudged wrote:
Center mass. When you pull the trigger, you're shooting to kill.
That is something all cops and soldiers know.

Anyone with a shred of sense knows not to point a gun at something they don't intend to shoot and kill.
Posted 7/2/13

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TheJudged wrote:
Center mass. When you pull the trigger, you're shooting to kill.
That is something all cops and soldiers know.

Anyone with a shred of sense knows not to point a gun at something they don't intend to shoot and kill.


That's not the standard procedure for a police officer, more like for the mafia.
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GayAsianBoy wrote:
That's not the standard procedure for a police officer, more like for the mafia.

How much firearm training have you had?
Posted 7/3/13

mhibicke wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
That's not the standard procedure for a police officer, more like for the mafia.

How much firearm training have you had?


None, but that's irrelevant information.
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Posted 7/3/13

GayAsianBoy wrote:


mhibicke wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
That's not the standard procedure for a police officer, more like for the mafia.

How much firearm training have you had?


None, but that's irrelevant information.


>Is ignorant of operating a weapon and police protocol
>Continues to embrace it.

Just stop. Your "opinions" are nothing more than equivalents of "uh huh, the cop did wrong" without having anything to back it up.
Posted 7/3/13 , edited 7/3/13

TheJudged wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:


mhibicke wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
That's not the standard procedure for a police officer, more like for the mafia.

How much firearm training have you had?


None, but that's irrelevant information.


>Is ignorant of operating a weapon and police protocol
>Continues to embrace it.

Just stop. Your "opinions" are nothing more than equivalents of "uh huh, the cop did wrong" without having anything to back it up.




But you using "firearm training" as a way of justifying the cop's action is more reasonable than my opinion?

Ok so if in "Firearm training" they tell you, if something is a threat, that means you must automatically kill it, then why do cops get sentenced to jail if they shoot someone who is mentally ill? Firearm training will not help them in this case.

You're the one who needs to stop. And stop trying to make like my opinion has nothing to back it up when I've listed several in this thread. Feel free to read them, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're worthless.

I wasn't mad before, but now you're making mad, and I am going to stop (but not because you told me to), but because I don't want to get banned since I already got a warning from a mod.
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Oh yea....that dog attacked alright.....totally lunged at the cop. *Sarcasm* Being stressed do to a high level situation area is very poor. You train for a reason, but whatever logic is in 0.5% of people nowadays. But yes it's also the owner's fault.
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Posted 7/3/13

GayAsianBoy wrote:


TheJudged wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:


mhibicke wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
That's not the standard procedure for a police officer, more like for the mafia.

How much firearm training have you had?


None, but that's irrelevant information.


>Is ignorant of operating a weapon and police protocol
>Continues to embrace it.

Just stop. Your "opinions" are nothing more than equivalents of "uh huh, the cop did wrong" without having anything to back it up.


But you using "firearm training" as a way of justifying the cop's action is more reasonable than my opinion?

Ok so if in "Firearm training" they tell you, if something is a threat, that means you must automatically kill it, then why do cops get sentenced to jail if they shoot someone who is mentally ill? Firearm training will not help them in this case.

You're the one who needs to stop. And stop trying to make like my opinion has nothing to back it up when I've listed several in this thread. Feel free to read them, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're worthless.

I wasn't mad before, but now you're making mad, and I am going to stop (but not because you told me to), but because I don't want to get banned since I already got a warning from a mod.


No. Firearms training teaches you how and where to shoot. Police protocol determines when you use the training. Claiming that you know what cops should be doing when you don't even know anything about their training is just... just stop.

Cops don't get sentenced to jail if they shoot and kill a mentally ill individual who poses a danger to society. They go to jail if they break protocol. And if you read the my first post you'd realize that this is irrelevent.

Your support consists of:
Hurrdurr all cops should know how to handle dogs since all cops work with police dogs. (which is ridiculously false)
Thinks all dogs can be tamed.
Guessing (aka bull******** facts from a rear end) police protocol and proper firearms technique.
Then assumes proper firearm technique = black-white philosophy and continues to be ignorant.


Corogast wrote:

Oh yea....that dog attacked alright.....totally lunged at the cop. *Sarcasm* Being stressed do to a high level situation area is very poor. You train for a reason, but whatever logic is in 0.5% of people nowadays. But yes it's also the owner's fault.


Thinks being perfect in a training simulation = being perfect in a real life scenario.
Keep trying, bud.
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Posted 7/3/13

GayAsianBoy wrote:
None, but that's irrelevant information.

Without knowing how to handle a firearm, you can't speak with a position of authority. Guns are not toys or tools for intimidation; they are deadly weapons. You do not draw if you aren't prepared to kill.
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Pigs, they just love to point and shoot, don't they?
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Posted 7/3/13 , edited 7/3/13
Owning many dogs in my life. Four at a time for most of it. Owning aggressive dogs like a Pit Bull, or Passive dogs like a Great Dane, It is painfully obvious that dog was not being defensive or aggressive, He was wagging his tail, playfully jumping. I was not there obviously, but to me, if he was going to attack the cop, it would of been a lot quicker than backing off like the dog did.

Even that being said, the owner should of had more control over his dog, the cops were already on edge due to the situation. That video was really painful to watch knowing the dog looked like it didn't mean any harm.
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Posted 7/3/13 , edited 7/3/13

TheJudged wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:


TheJudged wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:


mhibicke wrote:


GayAsianBoy wrote:
That's not the standard procedure for a police officer, more like for the mafia.

How much firearm training have you had?


None, but that's irrelevant information.


>Is ignorant of operating a weapon and police protocol
>Continues to embrace it.

Just stop. Your "opinions" are nothing more than equivalents of "uh huh, the cop did wrong" without having anything to back it up.


But you using "firearm training" as a way of justifying the cop's action is more reasonable than my opinion?

Ok so if in "Firearm training" they tell you, if something is a threat, that means you must automatically kill it, then why do cops get sentenced to jail if they shoot someone who is mentally ill? Firearm training will not help them in this case.

You're the one who needs to stop. And stop trying to make like my opinion has nothing to back it up when I've listed several in this thread. Feel free to read them, just because you don't agree with them doesn't mean they're worthless.

I wasn't mad before, but now you're making mad, and I am going to stop (but not because you told me to), but because I don't want to get banned since I already got a warning from a mod.


No. Firearms training teaches you how and where to shoot. Police protocol determines when you use the training. Claiming that you know what cops should be doing when you don't even know anything about their training is just... just stop.

Cops don't get sentenced to jail if they shoot and kill a mentally ill individual who poses a danger to society. They go to jail if they break protocol. And if you read the my first post you'd realize that this is irrelevent.

Your support consists of:
Hurrdurr all cops should know how to handle dogs since all cops work with police dogs. (which is ridiculously false)
Thinks all dogs can be tamed.
Guessing (aka bull******** facts from a rear end) police protocol and proper firearms technique.
Then assumes proper firearm technique = black-white philosophy and continues to be ignorant.


Corogast wrote:

Oh yea....that dog attacked alright.....totally lunged at the cop. *Sarcasm* Being stressed do to a high level situation area is very poor. You train for a reason, but whatever logic is in 0.5% of people nowadays. But yes it's also the owner's fault.


Thinks being perfect in a training simulation = being perfect in a real life scenario.
Keep trying, bud.


You/Cops obviously don't understand that that dog wasn't going to "attack" them. Telling me to learn bout' firearms? Well, learn about dogs and what tells you that they're actually about to attack. ALSO Shooting because of a dog that "supposedly" attacking, DURING a hostage situation is going to startle the guy who has the hostages. Hmmm..still think it's invalid a little?
Posted 7/3/13

Corogast wrote:
You/Cops obviously don't understand that that dog wasn't going to "attack" them. Telling me to learn bout' firearms? Well, learn about dogs and what tells you that they're actually about to attack. ALSO Shooting because of a dog that "supposedly" attacking, DURING a hostage situation is going to startle the guy who has the hostages. Hmmm..still think it's invalid a little? :)


This!

Posted 7/3/13 , edited 7/3/13


Honestly? I put sole blame on the owner. Although the owner seems like a nice guy how ignorant is it to be doing what he was doing in that situation? It's a frickin' tense scene without a doubt! I mean seriously? There are at least 7 or 8 police cars and an armored police vehicle (it looked like) surrounding that house. The police are already on edge apparently and then he gets out of his car, music still blaring very disrespectfully to the situation at hand, and just gets as close as possible to the scene to start filming??? Yeah, it is all on the owner. The poor dog lost its' life because of him being a dumbass. The dog was actually pretty relatively calm. However, the fact still remains at that last moment he did in fact lunge at that police officer. I don't think the dog was violent, but how could an animal possibly know that the cops weren't hurting his owner??? That being said, I don't blame the dog or police officers, I blame the owner. The dog lunged (not understanding what was going on) and I'm sure the officer, already having being stressed from the situation going on with the house, did what any human would do if a dog was coming to attack them. So yeah, the owner should be ashamed, what an idiot.
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