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Posted 7/4/13 , edited 7/4/13

Ookamitenshi wrote:

I been watching anime a lot lately, and what has been driving me crazy is the constant Yaoi reference in any or most animes these days. I mean really, it's getting kind of old. Am I over-reacting about this or is it really becoming tiresome? I feel not everything is "yaoi" and I understand it is popular, especially among female fans, but is it REALLY that popular especially in the Japanese view point of mangas and anime?

Does the topic as a whole bother you, or simply how it's expressed? Personally I'm waiting with a fair amount of anticipation for a mainstream "AAA" anime to include a legitimately homosexual man and not use him for laughs.

I think this blog summed it up rather well: The Five Categories of Homosexuality in Anime.
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i dont wanna get banned again so im not gonna start on free. but with seto no hanatoyome, i got it on dvd, and from episode 1 - 7 he goes gay for masa no less than 10 times. i get it, its funny, a middle school boy going all gay for an adult male. but to a point it just goes too far. that is only 1 example. SNAFU, some of the funniest moments were because of the trap, but because of awesome hilli they didnt go too far.
hideyoshi from baka to test for instance
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Try watching Loveless that should answer you or Junjou Romantica.

I have never seen any of the two, but they are homosexual males.

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EDIT: again if the trap serves a purpose I don't have an issue. All of the animes I have seen I have never searched for yaoi/shounen ai to as a specific genre.

Call me ignorant but... you have 8000 + animes to choose from. I am positive anyone can choose something without any gay references.
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i wouldnt catagorize either of those as AAA. i cant see a giant studio like Bones ever doing a gay anime

EDIT: i know what you are saying. the problem is these are great shows. even though they have some elements that i dont agree with, its still a great show. also unless its a straight up shounen ai, you wont see the traps coming, hence trap.
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Kyoani did something, anything can happen...

You always look at anime objectively. Go into the Free! thread and ask, "what makes this anime good?"

NOTE: I use Free! because it is airing.

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There is a certain tolerance everyone has for that theme. It goes both ways before something becomes excessive and bland.

Random panty shots for no apparent reason, and with the recent anime Free! random shirt taking off is pointless to actually develop something.

I will say that taking your shirt off to swim is appropriate this is very analogous to Gargantia's belly dancing episode, "is it inappropriate to show that much skin?" it is serving a purpose and not for the sake of being there without a cause.

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Addressing Seto no Hanayome it is a running gag, there is like a total of 5 times (I can remember) where Nagasumi goes gay for Masa, but in its defense so does his mom. Masa is charming gentleman that is how is portrayed.

TL;DR, if at any point "fanservice" serves a purpose other than the sake of eyecandy I personally do not call it fanservice.




I think you've made a good point here...

This is why I don't like Yaoi specific animes... random fanservice things happen for no reason that don't add anything to the story... like a character will just randomly throw himself onto another character.
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Try watching Loveless that should answer you or Junjou Romantica.

I have never seen any of the two, but they are homosexual males.

I should clarify that I don't want to watch a yaoi anime; that's not really my thing. But I'd like to see an anime like Kami-sama no Memo-chou approach the issue of homosexuality with a level head. It could even be that a school kid has a gay single father, and he gets bullied at school for it. And the protagonist has an opportunity to step in. None of the kids even have to be gay, I'd just like to see the topic addressed in a respectful and affecting manner.

Anime can teach in surprising ways. Hell, Kuroko no Basuke made me take basketball seriously. That was legitimately miraculous. But even the controversial issues they take up seem to be within a sort of designated safe zone.
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AnimeKami wrote:

Try watching Loveless that should answer you or Junjou Romantica.

I have never seen any of the two, but they are homosexual males.

I should clarify that I don't want to watch a yaoi anime; that's not really my thing. But I'd like to see an anime like Kami-sama no Memo-chou approach the issue of homosexuality with a level head. It could even be that a school kid has a gay single father, and he gets bullied at school for it. And the protagonist has an opportunity to step in. None of the kids even have to be gay, I'd just like to see the topic addressed in a respectful manner.

Anime can teach in surprising ways. Hell, Kuroko no Basuke made me take basketball seriously. That was legitimately miraculous. But even the controversial issues they take up seem to be within a sort of designated safe zone.


This is wishful thinking (in a positive manner). I honestly do not think an anime will produce that kind of story, the cultural difference is just there (for the lack of better phrasing).

Now in a business perspective, I don't think it is marketable in Japan. The notion of: "why is the protagonist gay and how does him being gay fit into the story" in an anime (most likely not) in a book (maybe) or even the right publisher for a manga.

Note: please no flames, I am not trying to hate on gays.
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AnimeKami wrote:

Try watching Loveless that should answer you or Junjou Romantica.

I have never seen any of the two, but they are homosexual males.

I should clarify that I don't want to watch a yaoi anime; that's not really my thing. But I'd like to see an anime like Kami-sama no Memo-chou approach the issue of homosexuality with a level head. It could even be that a school kid has a gay single father, and he gets bullied at school for it. And the protagonist has an opportunity to step in. None of the kids even have to be gay, I'd just like to see the topic addressed in a respectful and affecting manner.

Anime can teach in surprising ways. Hell, Kuroko no Basuke made me take basketball seriously. That was legitimately miraculous. But even the controversial issues they take up seem to be within a sort of designated safe zone.



This is what I want to see as well. A regular anime with a gay character that isn't used for comedic effects.

The problem with Yaoi animes is that everyone in that anime is gay... and everything is too focused on gay relationships, rather than a proper storyline about other issues. It becomes unrealistic for me.
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AnimeKami wrote:

This is wishful thinking (in a positive manner). I honestly do not think an anime will produce that kind of story, the cultural difference is just there (for the lack of better phrasing).

Now in a business perspective, I don't think it is marketable in Japan. The notion of: "why is the protagonist gay and how does him being gay fit into the story" in an anime (most likely not) in a book (maybe) or even the right publisher for a manga.

Note: please no flames, I am not trying to hate on gays.

Probably true. It just bugs me. I feel like homosexual men in anime are in the same place African-American TV actors were before the Civil Rights movement.
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Thank you battle.net SC2 forums:

"Different races are different"

but even with african americas, or black people in anime is limited.
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Thank you battle.net

We might know each other!


AnimeKami wrote:

SC2 forums:

Nevermind.


AnimeKami wrote:

"Different races are different"

True, but prejudice is the same weapon whoever it's being pointed at. I just mean how they're restrained by stereotypes, can't take on major/serious roles, or are segregated completely into what amounts to their own genre.


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but even with african americas, or black people in anime is limited.

Also true. But I don't know enough about Japanese society to know if this is due to actual racism or if it's just because over 98% of the population is considered ethnically Japanese. Although apparently if you're a Japanese citizen you're considered ethnically Japanese by the census regardless of your ethnicity, so that further complicates things.

(I don't mean to poke at you specifically about this; I'm just kind of exploring ideas).
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gotta get me some yaoi
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You guys do know Yaoi..as in the word Yaoi..is referring to material that focuses on sex between guys ?...it dose not mean the same as Bromance or shōnen-ai so if you are sick of Yaoi..don't watch the 25ish yaoi animes that exist. As for the Boys love vibes you are picking up on...too bad , don't like don't watch , I hate boobs jiggling in my face , I hate panty shots , I hate all the anime that has shoujo ai , girls love or..annoying girls. So that means the majority of anime goes into my no watch pile , but so what? its popular I'm not going to get bent out of shape about it just because of that. Let people love what they love , and if you accidentally see something that you perceive as gay..remember you can always turn it off and go to your happy place.

This just really irks me so little of anime is made for us who enjoy the aspects of Boys love , When the people who the main chunk of anime caters for get all huffy cause some guy made moon eyes at another guy in THEIR anime I just cant understand , if you don't want to accidentally see something you don't like , I suggest you thoroughly research all the aspects and the characters in said anime before watching.

Anime like the rest of the world dose not have to cater exclusively to you. Just be happy with what you have which I may add is a fucking lot!
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I guess one of the more prominent examples is: Darker than Black. The protagonist is Chinese it is a small step in diversifying anime it might take a bit longer before anime be a little more tolerant in what is being aired.

two cases real fast, one the advertisement in hentai ouji of the Korean guy and Japanese people raged. second, the korea zombie in HOTD they also raged.

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