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deadpanditto wrote:

Anyone else notice Rui was using a Microsoft Surface? :)


HAH! (Wish you could like in this forum, at least in a way that did something :D)


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When I look at how Hajime dealt with Berg-Katze, I see a girl see her partner rush to give medical help to the wounded, then I see her catch the attention of the monster who's basically trashed her team. She keeps Katze talking: a Katze who is busy talking is not busy killing. And she extracts as much information as she can in the process, trying to understand what makes it tick. By talking and engaging she stops the escalation of violence and Berg-Katze ends up leaving.

And it's not like Hajime was oblivious, the whole experience left her shaken and drained. Good thing Utsutsu was there...


I hadn't caught the significance of this last bit when I watched it. ... you're totally right, and dang it was amazing.




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For fans of the original: this feels very much like a prequel to me. It's a more fully developed origin story. At this point, we still don't know who Katze Berg is and how he's related to OD--I think they are from the same planet and were teammates. And we've not seen our team transformed together, or combined. I think the key will be Rui, X, and the Gatchamen all working together.


I'm thinking prequel too, the world is kind of 'post-apocalypse liite' in the original series, and the heroes have very different origin for their powers. There's no way for the "Crowds" style Gatchamen to be descended from the originals, their organization is developed by ailens and is based on inborn magicish power.

My bet is that it's revealed that the ninja science team is based on the memory of these people.

Also, seriously, I can think of scenarios where this X becomes the original ones, but I certainly can't think of examples where the reverse is true :p

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Triple post I know, but they're kind of different subjects :D
[Mod edit: Not anymore--I've merged them for you. Three posts in a row really is stretching things, and there's no reason different subjects can't be included in the same post --lorreen]

I also liked the tidbit of Asane we saw at the end.

"I talked to her, and I was wrong she's not bad. That's how I do things".

He's painfully earnest, but also TOTALLY willing to try to see things as they are and apologize when he's wrong (which I guess is part of being too earnest ><)

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Paiman must literally be the worst team leader of all time.
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Miyano Mamoru did an amazing job during that scene that he was going berserk.

He's insane laughing was just pleasing to hear for some reason.

He kill the hundreds and beats the shit out of Rui.

Joe got killed,shit.(Knew he was going to die but damn.)

On a less important note Pai-Pai transformed but no cares about him,Berg Katze was the star of this episode.
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On a less important note Pai-Pai transformed but no cares about him,Berg Katze was the star of this episode.


Oh that post reminds me; I LOVE how Berg-Katze fights. Yeah, sure, he's strong. but what's really terrifying about him is that he uses every advantage he has to the fullest.

He can use the Amnesia Effect on Gatchamen and he does. He hits hard, he hits fast, he doesn't give you time to regain your bearings. He just trashes you while remaining out of sight so you never can defend yourself and retaliate.

In short, he cheats a lot and fights smart. Heck he even refuses to stand by politely while you do your transformation sequence!
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Last week I would have more aggreed with you, at least that she was going to get the crap kicked out of her.

After the ugliness this week though, I think it's going to be a more 'peace love and understanding' thing. Everyone that even thinks of fighting Katze gets utterly utterly demolished, to the degree it ends up feeling to me that a point is being made.

Violence and a straight up fight is NOT the answer to this one, and that's the point of Hajime as the main character.


I completely disagree with this.

You're free to interpret it how you wish...but this is not how I perceive the villain character in the slightest. When I see that character speak or do anything, I get a grave sense of just utter twisted-ness and un-caring for mortal life on earth. He may have had a seemingly bubbly conversation with Hajime, Katze is simply humoring her because at the end of the day, he/she/it is planning to blow the whole planet to smithereens, and according to Pai-Pai and the tranny, is not short of the power to do so. It's sort of that "As a Human, do you mind the feelings of a cockroach?" analogy.

Up to this point in the show, Katze has already caused brutal & unnecessary mischief several times costing lives. Sometimes many of them without provocation. Simply for fun. That being said I have to supremely disagree that this is some kind of "villain that needs a hug" scenario. Katze is going to need to be destroyed or defeated unilaterally, these types of villains don't just come around, if that's what actually ends up happening, that would be the real trope.

I'm okay with Hajime as a character but I think to analyze the scene to the point that makes her out to be a calculating genius in order to save her friends from violence is thinking a bit over the top and try-hard-ish. She was simply doing what Hajime has already been known to do in the face of intimidating figures like JJ or Rui with the 100...blatantly approach with a blazing sense of curiosity. You know what that did to the cat...?

Hajime is flaggin' for a beat down. All I'm sayin'.
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windsagio wrote:

Last week I would have more aggreed with you, at least that she was going to get the crap kicked out of her.

After the ugliness this week though, I think it's going to be a more 'peace love and understanding' thing. Everyone that even thinks of fighting Katze gets utterly utterly demolished, to the degree it ends up feeling to me that a point is being made.

Violence and a straight up fight is NOT the answer to this one, and that's the point of Hajime as the main character.


I completely disagree with this.

You're free to interpret it how you wish...but this is not how I perceive the villain character in the slightest. When I see that character speak or do anything, I get a grave sense of just utter twisted-ness and un-caring for mortal life on earth. He may have had a seemingly bubbly conversation with Hajime, Katze is simply humoring her because at the end of the day, he/she/it is planning to blow the whole planet to smithereens, and according to Pai-Pai and the tranny, is not short of the power to do so. It's sort of that "As a Human, do you mind the feelings of a cockroach?" analogy.

Up to this point in the show, Katze has already caused brutal & unnecessary mischief several times costing lives. Sometimes many of them without provocation. Simply for fun. That being said I have to supremely disagree that this is some kind of "villain that needs a hug" scenario. Katze is going to need to be destroyed or defeated unilaterally, these types of villains don't just come around, if that's what actually ends up happening, that would be the real trope.

I'm okay with Hajime as a character but I think to analyze the scene to the point that makes her out to be a calculating genius in order to save her friends from violence is thinking a bit over the top and try-hard-ish. She was simply doing what Hajime has already been known to do in the face of intimidating figures like JJ or Rui with the 100...blatantly approach with a blazing sense of curiosity. You know what that did to the cat...?

Hajime is flaggin' for a beat down. All I'm sayin'.

I still don't know about the beat down (feel free to say "I told you so" later xD ), but otherwise zipzo is right. Although we know Hajime's not stupid, she hasn't been shown to be a genius, just a girl with a freewheeling attitude and an unusual ability to perceive the truth. But Katze is like nothing she's ever seen before. Like zip said, it's not gonna be a hug the villain and be happy sort of thing. Katze was toying with Hajime, and only tells her the answers to things she really already knows. Did Hajime get any really super helpful information out of the alien? Nope. He just enjoys messing with humans and Hajime was just more entertainment.

I think there will be a straight up fight, but I don't think it is going to be brute force that finishes off the alien. Heck, if Jou dies, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Gatchaman before this show is said and done. (I don't think they'll let him die though).

Oh, and, OD is the key.
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I loved how Berg-Katze was mimicking Jo Hibiki's special attacks! lol! Berg-Katze is a pretty awesome character.

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oh yeah, that conversation Berg-Katze was having w/Hajime wasn't too bubbly in my opinion...he had a really condescending undertone to his response and comments. kindof like he was poking fun at Hajime for being who she is, bubbly, etc.
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I guess I'll give this show another shot. I love the original Gatchaman series (not G-Force or battle of The Planets) but I just couldn't get ito the first two episodes of this. I'll give it another shot. I'm not very keen on the art direction/character designs. It's Casshern SIN all over for me again.
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Compl3te wrote:

I loved how Berg-Katze was mimicking Jo Hibiki's special attacks! lol! Berg-Katze is a pretty awesome character.

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oh yeah, that conversation Berg-Katze was having w/Hajime wasn't too bubbly in my opinion...he had a really condescending undertone to his response and comments. kindof like he was poking fun at Hajime for being who she is, bubbly, etc.


He's a mimic. He physically mimics people by kissing them, and mimics their manner when he talks to them. He's also a very condescending mimic.

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deadpandittoFor fans of the original: this feels very much like a prequel to me. It's a more fully developed origin story. At this point, we still don't know who Katze Berg is and how he's related to OD--I think they are from the same planet and were teammates. And we've not seen our team transformed together, or combined. I think the key will be Rui, X, and the Gatchamen all working together.


I'm not sure I would call it a prequel, though the thought did cross my mind earlier today. The original was set in 2001, so if this is set in modern Japan, there is only a 12 year gap between shows. I would love to see some sort of bridge to link the continuities.

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iblessall wrote:

I still don't know about the beat down (feel free to say "I told you so" later xD ), but otherwise zipzo is right. Although we know Hajime's not stupid, she hasn't been shown to be a genius, just a girl with a freewheeling attitude and an unusual ability to perceive the truth. But Katze is like nothing she's ever seen before. Like zip said, it's not gonna be a hug the villain and be happy sort of thing. Katze was toying with Hajime, and only tells her the answers to things she really already knows. Did Hajime get any really super helpful information out of the alien? Nope. He just enjoys messing with humans and Hajime was just more entertainment.

I think there will be a straight up fight, but I don't think it is going to be brute force that finishes off the alien. Heck, if Jou dies, I wouldn't be surprised to see a new Gatchaman before this show is said and done. (I don't think they'll let him die though).

Oh, and, OD is the key.


Well, a brute force win is generally the boring way to do it these days, at least in my opinion, unless the fight is flashy and exciting as fuuuu. Katze however can probably blow a hole through the entire planet whenever he feels like it, but he's simply choosing not to out of a desire to have fun with the process.

I was actually happy that Hajime showed a moment of exhaustion near the end there, and I'm hoping we'll get more of that and to a further degree later on (that would be the point of the beat down). To me it makes her character more diverse. If she goes the whole series as the same thing she started as in episode 1 then she's not really a great character, in fact the opposite, she'd simply be one-dimensional and kind of boring. A one-trick gag character with a funny quality that we get bored of after half a series because nothing ever changes about her.

I don't think anybody is arguing that Hajime isn't going to play a pivotal role in the the conclusion of the show, but it certainly stands to reason that you can't really blame someone for wanting to see a little more development out of her in a show that's beginning to show signs of a beefy back story. Her "thing" is fluffy and entertaining but I mean...like all things...it gets old.
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I completely disagree with this.

You're free to interpret it how you wish...but this is not how I perceive the villain character in the slightest. When I see that character speak or do anything, I get a grave sense of just utter twisted-ness and un-caring for mortal life on earth. He may have had a seemingly bubbly conversation with Hajime, Katze is simply humoring her because at the end of the day, he/she/it is planning to blow the whole planet to smithereens, and according to Pai-Pai and the tranny, is not short of the power to do so. It's sort of that "As a Human, do you mind the feelings of a cockroach?" analogy.

Up to this point in the show, Katze has already caused brutal & unnecessary mischief several times costing lives. Sometimes many of them without provocation. Simply for fun. That being said I have to supremely disagree that this is some kind of "villain that needs a hug" scenario. Katze is going to need to be destroyed or defeated unilaterally, these types of villains don't just come around, if that's what actually ends up happening, that would be the real trope.

I'm okay with Hajime as a character but I think to analyze the scene to the point that makes her out to be a calculating genius in order to save her friends from violence is thinking a bit over the top and try-hard-ish. She was simply doing what Hajime has already been known to do in the face of intimidating figures like JJ or Rui with the 100...blatantly approach with a blazing sense of curiosity. You know what that did to the cat...?

Hajime is flaggin' for a beat down. All I'm sayin'.


First of all, mod-pwnd, lesson learned, me :D

Second (and look out, I really enjoy thinking about this show, so it'll be a long one);

I don't at all think Katze is going to quit being bad, but unless it's something that has to do with OD, the world isn't going to be saved by just beating the bad guy.

Katze isn't going to quit being evil by any means, and doesn't want a hug. On the other hand, excepting maybe OD, there's not going to be a dramatic bleach-style boss fight to end it either.

Personally I'm of the opinion that OD's going to take care of Katze, and then Hajime is going to have the key to keep him from destroying everything or whatever terrible thing happens when he spreads his wings.

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(Edit: And forgive my bolds, I'm trying to be emphatic not condescending ><)

But anyways yeah. I'm going to stick to the one point, This show couldn't be more clear about violence NOT being a valid solution. Killing the MESS was a huge mistake that only cost lives. Similarly Rui trying to kill Katze got (apparently, probably) almost a hundred people killed for no gain. And finally, there's the "I'm going to take care of this, no wait I probably permanently lost my powers, had my spirit broken, and was almost killed. The guy that thought of helping me almost had the same thing happen to him."

I honestly don't know how they're going to resolve it (although see my theory above), and there will almost certainly be some kind of big flashy high production dramatic fight, but the messaging is absolutely clear, and there's no reason to think it will be changed... and that fight won't be the solution to the crisis.

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Nor do I think it should be, it's good to have a subversion/deconstruction of anime tropes that seems to work.
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I have a question to think about, Katze Berg, OD male or female?
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windsagio wrote:

This show couldn't be more clear about violence NOT being a valid solution. Killing the MESS was a huge mistake that only cost lives. Similarly Rui trying to kill Katze got (apparently, probably) almost a hundred people killed for no gain. And finally, there's the "I'm going to take care of this, no wait I probably permanently lost my powers, had my spirit broken, and was almost killed. The guy that thought of helping me almost had the same thing happen to him."


Well, it probably could because I highly doubt that's the message at all. Hajime is there to give a different perspective on things, and she's done that well for Jou, but that doesn't mean there isn't any value or merit in how Jou chose to approach things pre-Hajime.

There is going to be fighting, there's really no sense in even suggesting otherwise. You're only getting this impression because Katze has yet to be the aggressor on screen to any of the protagonists (yet for some reason you neglect the innocent civilians he unleashed his terror upon). This is giving you the implication that he's not interested in fighting or that the protags are being too impulsive wanting to fight with him.

You don't fight that sort of stuff with fluffy words, you kick their ass to TB2 and back. Katze is gonna burn.
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The one problem I have with this show if the point is that violence is not a solution is that it has not yet proposed an alternative. I appears the Rui's methodology isn't the answer (not to mention the source of that power); and the Gatchaman have already tried once before and failed to beat Katze. So what's the answer? Is there an answer? I guess we have to wait and see, but just because the show hasn't shown violence as a feasible option to this point doesn't necessarily mean that it's been totally ruled out.
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