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Posted 8/24/13 , edited 8/24/13
On the contrary...violence has only simply shown negative results simply because Katze is obscenely powerful. It likely has nothing to do with there being a better way at all.

I'm expecting a "love and friendship" spirit bomb from Hajime in the final episode for the kill. Something like this...

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Posted 8/24/13

zipzo wrote:

On the contrary...violence has only simply shown negative results simply because Katze is obscenely powerful. It likely has nothing to do with there being a better way at all.

I'm expecting a "love and friendship" spirit bomb from Hajime in the final episode for the kill. Something like this...



Or this?
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Posted 8/24/13 , edited 8/24/13

zipzo wrote:

On the contrary...violence has only simply shown negative results simply because Katze is obscenely powerful. It likely has nothing to do with there being a better way at all.

I'm expecting a "love and friendship" spirit bomb from Hajime in the final episode for the kill. Something like this...



Of course we'll see, but I think it's interesting that the contrasting position is that violence HAS to be the solution.

I don't particularly picture there being a Bleachesque montage (I know I keep beating on bleach for references, but it's pretty embarassingly over the top with that cliche) where Hajime learns to unlock her secret combat power and can defeat Katze all of a sudden. I just don't think, or maybe just don't want to think that it'll end with that kind of triteness.


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Goes back to the common theory/proposal though:

Violence (via OD) is the solution to Katze, but causes equal or bigger problems for the world, and those *can* be resolved through the Hajime method.

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This solves the need for an impressive action/violence scene (which yeah we're gonna get some of), fits plot points already introduced to the world (it's made pretty clear that OD can at least fight Katze on an even level, just at catastrophic cost), and maybe more importantly fits the theme of the first 2 episodes... Violence does work against the MESS, and it even rescues some people, but others are lost. It's not a real solution.

Just in the same way, OD 'spreading his wings' is a solution that might cost more than it gains (from everything they've said), but its still something they could easily be driven to trying... and it allows the theme to stand up, even while preserving the expected (and desired, hell I want to see it) action/excitement.


Edit: I just have the feeling that Crowds could transcend the usual fun-but-dumb anime cliches, and the idea makes me get all excited. Don't let me down Tatsunoko!

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Posted 8/25/13 , edited 8/25/13

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I still don't know about the beat down (feel free to say "I told you so" later xD ), but otherwise zipzo is right. Although we know Hajime's not stupid, she hasn't been shown to be a genius, just a girl with a freewheeling attitude and an unusual ability to perceive the truth. But Katze is like nothing she's ever seen before. Like zip said, it's not gonna be a hug the villain and be happy sort of thing. Katze was toying with Hajime, and only tells her the answers to things she really already knows. Did Hajime get any really super helpful information out of the alien? Nope. He just enjoys messing with humans and Hajime was just more entertainment.


Oh I certainly! Berg-Katze was toying with Hajime, to him it was exactly like a cat toying with a mouse. But I disagree he didn't give new information, although unwittingly.

"I'm right before you, don't you see me?" Remember what Hajime did with JJ in the first episode with even less info? Somebody suggested to me when Hajime extended her arm she was checking out it's reflection in the water, and pointed out that when we see the scene from Katze's point of view Hajime is looking right at him.. If you look at Hajime her tone of voice is pretty close to normal but her expression is focused and neutral.

He's also confirmed that the world destruction process is an already ongoing process (that she can find and influeance) and hinted at why he does it, for sustenance. She didn't ask if Berg-Katze had fun randomly.

I'm willing to eat my socks if I'm wrong, but I think Hajime is figuring out how to beat Berg-Katze. Wich may not be enough, sadly. Katze is just the mid-boss.

Anybody noticing how the relationship between Rui and X is evolving? How the master-servant dynamic is switching?
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I have a question to think about, Katze Berg, OD male or female?


Missed this in the 'spirited discussion' :D

Katze is almost certainly a hermaphrodite (the original was). OD it's not clear, although he's played as an effeminate male.
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Hajime is working it out that much I'm certain off. All the bits and pieces are bouncing around in her head and she is putting it together.
She has turned out to be a surprisingly complex character despite the initial impression she gives.

From what we have heard so far in this series Katze doesn't directly destroy the worlds he kills. He makes the people of the planet do it themselves. So the key is figuring out which part of human psychology he's latched onto and flip the switch the other way.

which brings us back to the Riddle he gave Hajime.


The 3 members of the Hundreds that Rui had removed. Will Katze go to them with an offer of power?

and there is still Hajime's Nexus point, that one street corner where everything important is in one place.


as for Pai-Pai...... Lame man, very lame

after all that big talk ....
just lame
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Here is a link to the full transformation OST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lbOi9XJcOg
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Here is a link to the full transformation OST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lbOi9XJcOg


Victordzik, you are an awesome person and I thank you profusely.

Awesome how Hajime's mouth is drawn to look like a bird's beak. Someone pointed it out to me and now I can't unsee it.
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Posted 8/28/13 , edited 8/28/13
Does anyone else think the pacing of this show is kind of... well off? I started watching because I thought the animation style was great but at times I feel like the show is kind of jumbled up and doesn't flow quite right. I do find myself still enjoying the show in spite of it though.
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Posted 8/28/13

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Does anyone else think the pacing of this show is kind of... well off? I started watching because I thought the animation style was great but at times I feel like the show is kind of jumbled up and doesn't flow quite right. I do find myself still enjoying the show in spite of it though.


There's no question that the first couple episodes are a bit jarring. They explain very little, and there doesn't seem to be a definitive story that it lays out for you to go "Okay, this is what's going on". It's mostly just "The Hajime Show". I feel like it's settling down now around episode 7 in to something more comprehensible with the official introduction of the antagonist and his plans.
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Posted 8/28/13 , edited 8/28/13

Crimson-Lightning wrote:

Does anyone else think the pacing of this show is kind of... well off? I started watching because I thought the animation style was great but at times I feel like the show is kind of jumbled up and doesn't flow quite right. I do find myself still enjoying the show in spite of it though.


You're not wrong, I think it's in large part to be blamed on the small number of episodes.

The first episode introduces the Gatchaman with a pretty smooth operation to take down a Mess, introduces Hajime and lays some ground rules.

In the second episode we see Hajime fight and nail the Mess to a building before letting it go, question why she's supposed to kill it exactly, then the second fight where she befriends a the creature.

Episdoe 3 introduces Galax in a bigger way and shows Hakime avert a crisis that could have sent dozens of people in the hospital. With Hajime questioning Asane and asking if he only just save people when it looks cool to do so.

Episdoe 4 introduces Berg-Katze and shows some of the interplay between "him" and Rui.

Episode 5 begins with Rui swearing off the CROWDS, Has Hajime questioning the Gatchaman necessity for secrecy, has Rui dealing with a rebellion among the 100, and ends with a cave-in, Rui choosing to use his power to save people and Hajime revealing her identity.

Episode six: Utsuitsu coming out of her shell, some of the fallout from Hajime's public revelation, the reaction of the Gatchaman, and the meeting with Rui.

Episode 7 has two mothers of all curbstomps, Pai-Pai fighting his fears (and losing), and Hajime's confrontation with the big bad.

That's lot to stuff in small 20 minutes segments. A lot of those elements would have benefitted from a bit more breathing room. I mean look at the CROWDS, they were introduced three episodes ago and now they're done for.

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Posted 8/29/13
In retrospect I suppose its got more bulk to it than I originally considered but as you both said the show likely would have greatly benefited from additional episodes. I suppose another run through would likely give me a pretty solid perspective.
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Episode 8


The episode was okay. I feel sorry for Rui not only for having someone impersonating him and locking out of X but also for a lot of stuff going on in his life.

Eh, the episode had a lot of HHHHGGGG moments like with Hajime and poor Panda-san lol. Those kids sure like Gatchaman!
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Posted 8/30/13
I found Utsutsu reading a storybook to be weapon-grade cute.

And yeah, I feel horribly sorry for Rui too. Not only did he lose everything, but somebody else took away his only "true" friend and life works to destroy the world. That's rough.

Good thing Hajime was there, Berg-Katze is great at instilling utter despair in people.

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Posted 8/30/13 , edited 8/30/13
Utsutsu in the little black teenie weenie bikini is just about the hottest thing in this show.



As for this weeks episode, pretty boring and uneventful.
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