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Bleach is a perfect example of that. Once Aizen got sealed, Bleach was never the same.
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Posted 7/16/13 , edited 7/16/13

BossJinbei wrote:

Bleach is a perfect example of that. Once Aizen got sealed, Bleach was never the same.


I totally agree. I have never been a huge fan of Bleach, but it got significantly better when Aizen was introduced, and got significantly worse after he went away.
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It's not a good anime if it doesn't have a great villain example: Diva from Blood +. I have watched animes that don't have villains just mere opponents they are good but not as interesting as the ones who have villains.
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Johan from Monster has got to be one of the best villains in anime hands down. The cool, calm demeanor he has while being evil can be chilling. It really makes you sit on the edge of your seat.
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Willwatch4food wrote:

If there is one thing I have learned about anime in the past decade that I have been watching it, it is that you can almost always judge an anime (or in long running anime's case, an ark) by how the villain is. As someone who is an aspiring author, and as a huge fan of anime, I was wondering what you guy's like and dislike in villains.

For me, I like a villain that can be taken seriously. Sorry, but Team Rocket doesn't cut it. I also like villains to be secretive, but not so secretive that you hardly learn anything about them for 200+ episodes (I'm looking at you Tobi and The Smoking Man). Finally, they need to have a good reason for doing what they do. No, I don't mean a reason that is rooted in good, I mean the writer needs to really think out the villain's motivation.

Also, note that Villain and Antagonist are two totally different things. Light Yagami and Leluche vi Britania are two examples of villains that are protagonists.

Here is a short list of some of my favorite villains from various series:

The Puppet Master, from Ghost in the Shell
D-Reaper, from Digimon: Tamers
Kirei Kotomine, from Fate/Zero
Light Yagami, from Death Note
Leluche vi Britania, from Code Geass
Dio, from JoJo's Bizarre Adventure part 3
Pain, from Naruto Shippuden
Johan, from Monster
The Laughing Man, from Ghost in the Shell: Stand Along Complex

Now then, here are my discussion questions.
What do you look for in villains?
Who is your favorite villain?
Do you agree with my choices? Why/Why not?


I agree with you that you can judge an anime by how the villain is. I think the judgment itself is somewhat subjective, but that villains should always have more than one layer and have at least one relatable trait no matter how ephemeral that trait is. I agree with all the ones on your list from the animes I have watched except for Lelouche. He seemed more like a dark hero to me. He could be compared to Light, but with a stronger sense of his own values and a desire stronger than his desire for power to protect the people who were close to him. Light became a villain to me after
It may be a matter of perspective, but I think L was the true protagonist of Death Note.

Pain is my favorite villain from your list. The most abhorrent villain on it, in my opinion, is Kotomine Kirei. I hated how his character developed and I thought he was a pretty boring character and yet I despised him, so I suppose he was a good villain, but I found myself skipping minutes off of him speaking to Gilgamesh. The villains I hate the most would be senseless ones like Castor and Ryunosuke(Fate/Zero.) Moreover, I agree with you about secretive villains. Tobi was dragged for so long that most people had already guessed who he was before the mask came off. I do disagree with you about villains not needing a good reason for their actions. I think they need some turning point in their backstory or a line of events that made them who they are at the very least because no one is born evil. The reason doesn't have to be apparent to the reader to start with, but it should at least be hinted to by the end of a work or it just doesn't seem realistic.
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