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George Zimmerman - Not Guilty
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Posted 7/17/13
The assault charge was dropped. He didn't have a felony on his record so he was able to have the weapon.
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Posted 7/17/13 , edited 7/17/13

Kelliher89 wrote:

A criminal trial is different from a civil trial. The burden of proof is changed in a criminal trial to a civil trial. The one fact I know is that the Police told Zimmerman not to follow the person(Martin) and wait for police, the responsibility on Zimmerman is damning.

O.J. Simpson was found not guilty for the death of his girlfriend and her friend but lost the civil case because he was found responsible for the deaths.



I suppose the jury or judge would have to decide whether "We don't need you to do that, sir" is a clear command from law enforcement, and if Zimmerman had any kind of duty to follow that advice. Also, whether attacking and battering a person is a reasonable response to being followed.

While I don't think following Martin to the extent Zimmerman did was a wise course of action, it was certainly legal. Martin attacking Zimmerman was also unwise, and it was also illegal and malicious.

Zimmerman shooting his attacker has been found to be lawful self-defense, and I agree with the verdict.

But you are correct: the burden of proof is different in the civil trial, and after the beating, the media smear job, the death threats, and the material and emotional cost of his criminal defense, Zimmerman may be subjected to one more abuse before he can get on with his life.
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He's not innocent. Why the hell would anybody agree with that? If he just stayed is car, didn't racially profile Martin, none of this would happen. And how the hell could a frail ass 17 year old kid like Trayvon even be able to beat Zimmerman up? His story has holes, He was caught lying twice! That man should be in jail. But honestly him being out is torture too. He'll be in hiding for his hole life just like Casey Anthony. Nonetheless his lawyer did one good hell of a job.
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There really isn't too much to say other than the fact that none of us really know what happened that night except for maybe potential witnesses? Now it's wrong for Zimmerman to get out of his car and attack Trayvon in the first place, but at the same time Trayvon is technically almost an adult and got suspended from school, which already makes his apperance sketchy. Needless to say, there's evidence for both sides but at the same time, this has just escalated for people willing to do foolish things to get their own "justice".
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Posted 7/17/13
The stupid in this thread BURNS!

Zimmerman (an ADULT) in the dark was following Trayvon (a CHILD)

The minor tried to run away (like every parent tells their kid to do from an older man following them) and was followed by Zimmerman.

Zimmerman scared and tracked down a MINOR and then set the events in motion to kill him to plead self-defense (as he had taken courses in the law that covered this area and got an "A" in the course)

This was a racially motivated HATE-CRIME.

To the people who support Zimmerman, if your CHILD is followed by a creepy ADULT in Florida, you better tell the child to run towards the potential molester, less he be killed in the name of self-defense!
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First off, the prosecution has admitted with holding outcome altering evidence(that would help prove innocence)*, and the textsTrayvon sent were also not allowed to be part of the case. This was in the national news yesterday during an interview with the defense attorney.

*The prosecution with holding evidence to make someone guilty is a violation of constitutional rights.

Next:
Trayvon wasn't some tiny framed little kid like the media wants you to think. Look in the spoiler.


All I ever see are Trayvon supporters spouting things like hate crime, racism, etc. and I see Zimmerman supporters using facts, logical arguments.


Finally:
This is one of the few times our legal system has done something right. A jury by peers has decided that Zimmerman was not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of murder, yet I see nothing but people who are angry they didn't get their way.
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As for the racism fire in this thread Morgan Freeman sums it up pretty nicely in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mh8mUia75k8

I understand why people are confused here since the media has been saying racism every day for the last year and a half because guess what? Sparking fires makes good media coverage and gets them ratings. I can't even begin to go over the amount of horrific stories in the last year that they simply decided to skip over just because starting a race war would be more beneficial to them (the media).

As far as Zimmerman being a racist goes CNN hardly ever mentioned it, but they did say it at least once. During the past year the FBI investigated the racism claims on Zimmerman on their own accord and interviewed at least 14 people around him that knew him in real life from before this happened. They searched his computer, home, etc. They did not find a single shred of evidence or even hearsay of Zimmerman being racist before the shooting. For someone that commits a "racially motivated HATE-CRIME" to not have ever been heard being slightly racist, have anything racist on his computer, or inside his home is impossible. If you hate certain people that much there is no way you would be able to completely suppress it that much, it's just not feasible.

It's as Morgan Freeman was saying in the video above, if you want to stop racism, you just need to stop talking about it. The important part isn't what we have had to live with and what our opinions are, it is about our children. They are the ones that will be carrying on the future of our species. If they never hear the term racism and are never brought around the idea that something is massively different between different skin colors (which there isn't anything different besides a skin tone, we are all still just humans.), then our children won't have to deal with this in the future when they are leading the world. Which would also cause a chain reaction and our children's children won't have it either.
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eightcar wrote:

Zimmerman (an ADULT) in the dark was following Trayvon (a CHILD)

The minor tried to run away (like every parent tells their kid to do from an older man following them) and was followed by Zimmerman.


Actually, the problem is that the evidence suggests that Trayvon had the opportunity to get away but didn't. Not only was safety within 100 yards, but he's a YOUNG ADULT in the prime of his life who was being followed by some 30 year old fat man. Clearly the athletic advantage went to Trayvon after Zimmerman got out of his truck. Everything we have suggests Trayvon chose to not run away and initiated physical combat with Zimmerman. We can guess Trayvon initiated the physical part of the confrontation because Trayvon has no injuries (other than to his fists and the gunshot wound).

Had Trayvon tried to run away as any parent tells their kid to do, he'd still be alive. Either that or the gunshot wound would be on Trayvon's back which would have made this an open and shut case on Zimmerman.



Zimmerman scared and tracked down a MINOR and then set the events in motion to kill him to plead self-defense (as he had taken courses in the law that covered this area and got an "A" in the course)

This was a racially motivated HATE-CRIME.


Interesting theory. Any facts to back up any of those assertions? Having a theory is fine, but believing it without evidence is questionable at best.



To the people who support Zimmerman, if your CHILD is followed by a creepy ADULT in Florida, you better tell the child to run towards the potential molester, less he be killed in the name of self-defense!


Nay. This case shows that it's a bad idea to start attacking someone who is following you, which was obvious before the case for most people. If you have any ability to get away, try to get away first. If that fails, then you have no choice but to see why the person is following you. Taking action first and asking questions later is not a good course of action. Furthermore, if you're going to start assaulting someone, not offering them any ability to get away regardless of who may have started the conflict is dangerous for you.

Ultimately, I'm going to say what so many have said in this thread: There's no way of knowing what happened, but the physical evidence we have fails to refute the reasonable doubt that Zimmerman was justified in his self defense and Trayvon started assaulting Zimmerman and, furthermore, Trayvon used force that was sufficient to make someone fear for their life or serious/permanent injury. There is no physical evidence suggesting Zimmerman was an evil mastermind trying to trick Trayvon into a position where Zimmerman could argue self-defense. It's possible, but we don't convict based on what may have happened. Conjecture and theory is insufficient to put someone away for 25 years and, as a law abiding citizen, that makes me happy.
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sidkid75 wrote:

He's not innocent. Why the hell would anybody agree with that? If he just stayed is car, didn't racially profile Martin, none of this would happen. And how the hell could a frail ass 17 year old kid like Trayvon even be able to beat Zimmerman up? His story has holes, He was caught lying twice! That man should be in jail. But honestly him being out is torture too. He'll be in hiding for his hole life just like Casey Anthony. Nonetheless his lawyer did one good hell of a job.


Didn't he say that Trayvon apparently banged his head real hard up against the sidewalk too, but all he actually had was a real tiny scratch on his head?

Either way, he had no real right to follow Trayvon- and the way he was talking about black people was disgusting, too.

What I don't understand is that he said that he did kill Trayvon- so even if it was just in self defense, shouldn't he of at least get time for that? Oh well
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BeanWantaBurger wrote:
What I don't understand is that he said that he did kill Trayvon- so even if it was just in self defense, shouldn't he of at least get time for that? Oh well


Typically it's not illegal to do things that a normal person cannot help to do. For instance, breathing cannot (or, should not) be illegal. Not defending yourself is essentially impossible: your will to live will prevent you from allowing yourself to be killed by someone else without putting up a fight. Even suicidal people have difficulty letting themselves die.
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Posted 7/18/13
I agree with the verdict. There was no way to find him guilty based on the evidence.

I hope Zimmerman sues CNN and NBC for their repeated lies, and deceptive edits.

I get exhausted with this issue because the media has fed the public so many repeated lies. The real story is how these news networks can get away with these lies.
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mmadbzfan wrote:

Just a bit ago the jury found GZ not guilty in killing Trayvon Martin. Not even a manslaughter charge. So word of warning everyone stay away from Florida.


On the other hand, a woman who killed either her boyfriend/husband, can't remember which it was, but not entirely important, in Florida out of self-defense and used the Stand Your Ground law in defense was found guilty of murder and sentenced so that entire law is obviously not working.
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There was also a woman sentenced to time for firing a warning shot because of a domestic abuse situation. There are better banners to wave, folks.

Although, I'm not sure if the previously mentioned story is 100 percent accurate.
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