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What do you think about Cassandra Claire's Plagiarism?
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Posted 7/16/13
Good thing I don't do fan fiction.

It's true though about fan fiction. You can't legally make money from it. I've heard of a few instances of people trying to do that and it drives the original authors bonkers. I know Amazon opened up something for fan fiction writers where they can publish their own works. It's tough though because a lot of writers spent months and in some cases years building up these characters and creating these worlds so they could try to make money from their work. It's a little heart wrenching to see someone take all that work and just change around a few things and call it theirs, even if it's just fan fiction.

If you are into fan fiction, I have no problem with it. From what I hear from people who do write fan fic, they do it for the love of the original work and I think that's groovy. If any of them try to make money off it, that's where I have a problem.
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The Kindle Worlds experiment is something that we're watching pretty closely. It only applies to a select few franchises (e.g. The Vampire Diaries, which the original author is no longer allowed to write, ironically), but that might change if it takes off.

The thing about profiting from 'fic, though, is that it's become a real thing. Not that it's a secret at this point, but this whole 50 Shades nonsense is just a Twilight porn 'fic – granted, it was AU (alternate universe), but still 'fic – with the names changed. That made a ton of money, and Claire's works made a fair stack, too.

It makes our No. 1 Rule feel a little hollow when people can and do make money from their 'fics. You're right, though, Mayo: Most of us do 'fic because we love the source material.

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Claire is a 'ficcer making money from changing the names on her 'fic and presenting it as original. Yes, she is also renowned for the part she played in the "Ms. Scribe" debacle, but most of us in the 'fic community know her first and foremost for breaking our No. 1 Rule: You don't profit from 'fic. Ever.


Wait, what's the Ms.Scribe debacle?
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http://www.journalfen.net/community/bad_penny/1074.html

You can read the whole story at the series of links that begins above. I will caution you that it is about as long and complicated as the Watergate scandal. *chuckles* Not exaggerating.
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rcsatcrunchyroll wrote:

http://www.journalfen.net/community/bad_penny/1074.html

You can read the whole story at the series of links that begins above. I will caution you that it is about as long and complicated as the Watergate scandal. *chuckles* Not exaggerating.


Wow, I just read it in one hour. That is the most horrible, creepiest, incident about a fake I've ever head of. Msscribe seems like a sociopath, or someone with multiple personalities. I guess she really did kinda get caught in the end though. Also, that WAS complicated. I had to re-read a few times. ...This has really discouraged me from going into fanfiction again.
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Posted 7/22/13
Nop, doesn't ring a bell xD
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This has really discouraged me from going into fanfiction again.


If it is any consolation, anime / manga fandoms – and video game fandoms, which are home sweet home for me – are about 99% less dramatic than ye olde Harry Potter fandom, for the most part.
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I don't know who she is. But I'm certainly going to be staying away from anything she's related to.
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Posted 7/23/13

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Lol, you didn't sound like a douche bag, you were right in correcting me, but I'm to used to Claire.

I think she was a creative person from the start, and that's how she was able to create this world. I stopped at book 3, but the books seem still be good. I understand, I do like the series too, but a bit sticking away because of the plagiarism, but I do want to read Infernal Devices. I do hope the movie turns out okay, though, as some movies can ruin a book's rep.


The Infernal Devices is the best to me. I'd choose TID over TMI any day. The characters are so much more enjoyable, and the plot doesn't get over done. (For instance, Clary can become really annoying in TMI and the story line feels repetitive to an extent; in the end all I cared about was Magnus and Alec lol.)

I have a lot of feelings towards TID just nasl'udgheug.

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It's important to note that fanfics are for the most part plagiarized by default. You're already stealing another authors characters, themes, ideas, and plot. You may be altering it slightly to fit whatever genre or style of writing that suites what you're going for but ultimately it was a plagiarized work from the start. If she is copying word for word than that might be another story even if it was for a fanfic.

Would any of this of mattered if she wasn't now an accomplished author? Does her current works have anything to do with her past?
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Mycow8me wrote:

It's important to note that fanfics are for the most part plagiarized by default. You're already stealing another authors characters, themes, ideas, and plot. You may be altering it slightly to fit whatever genre or style of writing that suites what you're going for but ultimately it was a plagiarized work from the start. If she is copying word for word than that might be another story even if it was for a fanfic.

Would any of this of mattered if she wasn't now an accomplished author? Does her current works have anything to do with her past?


Fanfiction isn't plagiarism. You are not 'stealing' the characters or anything at all. Fanfiction and it's authors, fully acknowledge they do not own the series, or will profit from it. Also, I'd say if the authors don't object and say people are stealing their work, then it is not plagiarism. Fanfiction doesn't pass the characters, ideas, and plot as their own. Sometimes they claim their writing as their own, but other than that, nothing.

She's caused controversy, and was very popular before she was even published or an accomplished author. ...Did you read any of it though? Her current works kinda do have to do with her past, since her book is based off her fanfiction, she plagiarized that, she still completely denies she ever did, so...yes it does.
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ShiverGirl wrote:



Lol, you didn't sound like a douche bag, you were right in correcting me, but I'm to used to Claire.

I think she was a creative person from the start, and that's how she was able to create this world. I stopped at book 3, but the books seem still be good. I understand, I do like the series too, but a bit sticking away because of the plagiarism, but I do want to read Infernal Devices. I do hope the movie turns out okay, though, as some movies can ruin a book's rep.


The Infernal Devices is the best to me. I'd choose TID over TMI any day. The characters are so much more enjoyable, and the plot doesn't get over done. (For instance, Clary can become really annoying in TMI and the story line feels repetitive to an extent; in the end all I cared about was Magnus and Alec lol.)

I have a lot of feelings towards TID just nasl'udgheug.



Really? Hmm, I might go read it. I read it once, and dropped it ( to be fair though, I read a paragraph and hated it ) so I felt like I was being unfair towards the book. I feel like I should give it another shot. Personally I ended TMI with book 3, and was tired of it. I loved Magnus and Alec though, I think they're way better than Jace/Clary.
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ShiverGirl wrote:


Mycow8me wrote:

It's important to note that fanfics are for the most part plagiarized by default. You're already stealing another authors characters, themes, ideas, and plot. You may be altering it slightly to fit whatever genre or style of writing that suites what you're going for but ultimately it was a plagiarized work from the start. If she is copying word for word than that might be another story even if it was for a fanfic.

Would any of this of mattered if she wasn't now an accomplished author? Does her current works have anything to do with her past?


Fanfiction isn't plagiarism. You are not 'stealing' the characters or anything at all. Fanfiction and it's authors, fully acknowledge they do not own the series, or will profit from it. Also, I'd say if the authors don't object and say people are stealing their work, then it is not plagiarism. Fanfiction doesn't pass the characters, ideas, and plot as their own. Sometimes they claim their writing as their own, but other than that, nothing.

She's caused controversy, and was very popular before she was even published or an accomplished author. ...Did you read any of it though? Her current works kinda do have to do with her past, since her book is based off her fanfiction, she plagiarized that, she still completely denies she ever did, so...yes it does.


To be fair, I haven't read any of it or into this matter personally, but I was commenting as an author myself. It irks me that someone would be judged by her past which is why I asked the two questions in my last post to see if there was any connection. If her book is based off a plagiarized work of her own then its a shame but its a gray area when you say "based off".

On another note, you seem to think that plagiarism only involves claiming someone else's work as you're own or profiting from it when that's not true, most people think this way as well. Plagiarism is copying, reflecting, imitating, etc... another literary work regardless of due cause, acting like its your own would be borderline intellectual property theft. Perhaps stealing was poor word choice but the fact of the matter is that it IS plagiarism. Last time I checked, fanfiction writers don't go around asking all the authors for permission to use their characters, ideas, concepts, themes, dialogue, phrases, or whatever.

I dunno thread got derailed a bit, sorry. I think this whole thing sounds kinda blown up though.
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A good book is a good book. I've never heard of this author or these series, but if they are good, I really don't care if there is plagiarism or anything about what the author did. Plagiarism is wrong, but it doesn't affect the reader in any way. She may or may not deserve to be sued, but regardless, I am no more or less likely to read the books.
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Mycow8me wrote:

To be fair, I haven't read any of it or into this matter personally, but I was commenting as an author myself. It irks me that someone would be judged by her past which is why I asked the two questions in my last post to see if there was any connection. If her book is based off a plagiarized work of her own then its a shame but its a gray area when you say "based off".

On another note, you seem to think that plagiarism only involves claiming someone else's work as you're own or profiting from it when that's not true, most people think this way as well. Plagiarism is copying, reflecting, imitating, etc... another literary work regardless of due cause, acting like its your own would be borderline intellectual property theft. Perhaps stealing was poor word choice but the fact of the matter is that it IS plagiarism. Last time I checked, fanfiction writers don't go around asking all the authors for permission to use their characters, ideas, concepts, themes, dialogue, phrases, or whatever.

I dunno thread got derailed a bit, sorry. I think this whole thing sounds kinda blown up though.


Yes, Fan-fiction in itself is plagiarism, and is, therefore, illegal, because "fanfiction writers don't go around asking all the authors for permission to use their characters, ideas, concepts, themes, dialogue, phrases, or whatever". Although, I would like to add the word "usually" to that; they don't usually go around asking. They offer disclaimers and such most of the time.

Now, really, there are official fan-fictions - you could treat the Star Wars Expanded Universe as one giant official fan-fiction hub with its countless spin-offs, books, comics, games, etc. for instance.

The whole ordeal about her plagiarism does sound a little blown up, but the way I see it is that it's over and done with. Leave her be. If you don't like the fact that she did plagiarize or whatnot, then don't read her stuff. Simple as that.
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