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Should lolicon/shotacon be illegal?
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Tattles wrote:


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I Think the art is fine but when it`s used sexually like a ecchi or hentai then Yeah be gone


Similarly to what hcxangel said, If you can have an anime (or a game) about killing someone or doing some other extremely illegal action, than why can't you have an anime (or a game) with loli/shota?

If one influences people to do something in real life (which it never actually does), than why wouldn't the same apply to all?



lolicon is associated with the sexualisation of pubescent. In colloquial terms Lolicon is a form of paedophilia.
This is where the debating comes in Art has many forms for example film filming a movie about "Let`s say a Lolicon in real life" it`s going to get red flags due to it`s message "Pedophilia is alright" like the film American Beauty which has alot of controversy.


Allow me to apply it to something that also has an age restriction (an even higher one at that), alcohol.

Just because sex is sex, it doesn't make it any worse (other than by your morals) than say, under aged drinking. Even more so if an adult was to give a child alcohol, than it would basically be the same thing.


That is beside the point, but it does work in the same way "Would you want your child to grow up into someone who fonds over under age girls?"
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Viewing loli/shouta manga and anime is a victim-less crime. Being imprisoned for it is paramount to being imprisoned for jaywalking.

What you do in the privacy of your own home should be your business and no one else's, barring activities that put life and other's personal property at risk.

If someone molests a kid, then they should be arrested. If evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is found that they MIGHT molest a kid, they should be arrested. If they happen to like their ladies short and their titties small but don't take that into the real world, then its fine.
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Nope, there is no harm and the claim it encourages pedophiles is about as specious as the claim video games cause violence. In any case it would set a bad precedent cause it will immediately be turned against other media dealing similarly taboo subjects.

As for it being illegal or not, that's really a case by case. Loli and shota may not be illegal like child porn barring a few exception (photo realistic or made from an image of an actual child) but it could be obscene.

If it's just obscene it's only illegal if you intend to distribute it, it not illegal to merely possess obscene material (1969, the Supreme Court held in Stanley v. Georgia).
If it falls under child porn it's illegal to even possess, and there is also myriad of state laws. So it very much depends on the image and where you are and what you're doing with it.
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M1keymike1 wrote:

Viewing loli/shouta manga and anime is a victim-less crime. Being imprisoned for it is paramount to being imprisoned for jaywalking.

What you do in the privacy of your own home should be your business and no one else's, barring activities that put life and other's personal property at risk.

If someone molests a kid, then they should be arrested. If evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is found that they MIGHT molest a kid, they should be arrested. If they happen to like their ladies short and their titties small but don't take that into the real world, then its fine.


But, won`t that just lead to danger to other individuals in the future? For example "If they like the under-age stuff" what if it carries on later to where they have an opportunity to do something that might involve invading someone person space?
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No.
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phogan wrote:

Nope, there is no harm and the claim it encourages pedophiles is about as specious as the claim video games cause violence. In any case it would set a bad precedent cause it will immediately be turned against other media dealing similarly taboo subjects.

As for it being illegal or not, that's really a case by case. Loli and shota may not be illegal like child porn barring a few exception (photo realistic or made from an image of an actual child) but it could be obscene.

If it's just obscene it's only illegal if you intend to distribute it, it not illegal to merely possess obscene material (1969, the Supreme Court held in Stanley v. Georgia).
If it falls under child porn it's illegal to even possess, and there is also myriad of state laws. So it very much depends on the image and where you are and what you're doing with it.


I Believe in your claim, but it does not encourage someone to go out and kill someone instantly or rape an individual, but it does in fact fuel the fire. Like how people became actors,authors,artist they were all inspired over time. "If the photo is intended to be child pornography is just as bad as me taking photo of the real thing", im also agreeing with it on games. To games can fuel killing fire I play games to , but a majority have no thoughts of killing someone but it can fuel the fire of a bullied kid and he let`s out his anger through Gta and then proceeds to due something similar to it if pushed to far, because it fueled the fire eventually, or some crazy bored person. I Really appreciate your statement though it proved great facts.
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It's only drawings and the people aren't real so there is no harm done. People being influenced by it is just absurd, sure there may be some who will be but the blame lies on the person's mental condition not the subject matter. Some people can't separate fiction from real life but that doesn't necessarily make the thing in question bad whether it be loli/shota, violent video games, R rated movies etc.
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M1keymike1 wrote:

If evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is found that they MIGHT molest a kid, they should be arrested.


Um, no, you can't arrest somebody because they MIGHT commit a crime. If you can establish beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody had intent to molest a kid (i.e. FBI sting operations), that would be a different story, but "might" does not cut it in any reasonable justice system.
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Aethix0 wrote:


M1keymike1 wrote:

If evidence beyond a reasonable doubt is found that they MIGHT molest a kid, they should be arrested.


Um, no, you can't arrest somebody because they MIGHT commit a crime. If you can establish beyond a reasonable doubt that somebody had intent to molest a kid (i.e. FBI sting operations), that would be a different story, but "might" does not cut it in any reasonable justice system.


What he means by that is if so and so "This individual owned child pornography racks on racks of it, has plans to rape kid,has many photos of certain individual, makes strange contact with a certain target."
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Me, personally? Yeah. Realistically? No. I don't like many taboo things. I actually stopped watching Oreimo because of the way it started to turn out. I'm a big critic. Yaoi, yuri, shouta, loli. There isn't really art or moe into it, after a certain point, and it becomes more obscene and becomes revolting.
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no because there are several meanings to being a lolicon/shotacon. You have some of the lolicon/shotacons who are that because they find lolis and shotas cute but then there are the people who find likes lolis and shotas sexualized. It is like being at war with china and arresting anyone who looks Asian, you're stereotyping people in a bad way.
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I don't think it should be illegal but, sometimes I do wish it would go away. At the same time, I believe there are 2 sides to everything

I just get offended when they sexualize minors that haven't gone through puberty. I think the universal definition of pedophilia means being attracted to young people that, haven't gone through puberty. At least, that's the definition from the perspective of world cultures & history. Maybe they don't consider teenagers to be children or, think the average viewer is mature enough to see the difference between reality & fiction.

The loli aspect of anime makes it hard for me to introduce it to friends that, aren't familiar with anime, though.
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Absolutely NOT!

Lolicon and shotacon are ART!

Art is part of freedom of expression, a fundamental human right!!
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As much as some people may find it weird and whatever reason they may say about it, it shouldn't be illegal. People came up with the art for it and are freely expressing them, ever heard of freedom of speech? I've always thought of loli as a way to prevent pedos from actually doing something, and this loli feeding them their "desires"
Posted 7/14/13
boku no pico.
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