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Should lolicon/shotacon be illegal?
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Posted 7/14/13 , edited 7/14/13
Just to point out, pedophilia is sexual attraction to children; i.e., a condition or state of being. Once such an attraction is acted upon--and only when acted upon--do things enter the realm of illegality. Illegal actions vary by severity, of course: kidnapping and raping a child being infinitely worse than possessing child pornography, for example. Nonetheless, that possession is still illegal because it involves the actual instance of sexualizing children.

Just imagine:
You're broke, and daydream about robbing a bank--nothing illegal about daydreaming, right? But if the police find you in possession of plans to rob a bank, that's different. It's different because plans require that a specific bank must have been targeted and information gathered--you now possess actual material related to your thoughts. Now it's no longer some harmless fantasy because--by individualizing the intended object--an element of actuality has been introduced. And actually robbing the bank is obviously illegal. But can you see the progression? This progression mirrors that of pedophilia (imagination) versus material (sexualized images of children) versus participation (molestation).

The real confusion in the US is in defining what is and isn't child pornography. Do you judge solely by content or must you also consider context? [Keep in mind that in many manga and anime series, the context can often be much more damning than the actual content.] Consider further the cultural differences that might exist between originators and audience. And, for US readers, consider also that--beyond Federal mandate--each state has individual and different laws regarding age of consent and related rights. All of this in addition to needing to protect children from sexual predators. This is a much more complex problem than that of just censorship, and deserves appropriate consideration.

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Posted 7/14/13 , edited 7/14/13
No, it shouldn't.
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If you've ever had a crush on someone your age when you were little then you are pedo and need intensive therapy.

Joking aside, I feel that most people with fully developed (biologically) brains have a clear distinction between real life and fiction. Its why we can see thousands of people killed in movies, games, books, etc. over our lifetime but still be horrified when encountered in real life and not just go, "Meh, seen it before". When we see anime, we know that real people don't look anything like that at all! Bottom line: liking something in a fictional sense =/= liking it for real.

In the majority of video games, people kill something of some kind, usually a lot. Is it because people like killing then? Well, it depends on why they are playing in the first place. Maybe they like the feeling of being a hero, someone of importance. Perhaps they enjoy honing their skills or bragging; possibly feeling like they are actually good at something. Maybe they are just tired and want to watch bullets fly and dramatic explosions. There are probably as many combinations and unique reasons why people will play a video game as there are people. I believe that this applies to all mediums (books, movies, games, anime, manga, comics, etc.). The important aspect we need to look at is why someone consumes material, why do they go to it, what does it mean to them and how will they let it affect them; in this case lolicon/shota. Some might just like the style; maybe it reminds them of someone they liked when they were younger, maybe they are actually pedophilic .

Since it is fictional and since there could be any number of reasons why someone enjoys lolicon/shota it shouldn't be made illegal.
Just because there may be some bad reasons for liking it doesn't mean it should be illegal; making it illegal won't solve the root of the problem. The root of the problem being the negative reason for liking/needing/wanting that material.

tldr: read the bold, I tend to ramble and sometimes I only make sense in my own head so that might be the best way to go, lol.
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Posted 7/14/13 , edited 7/14/13
I'd say for some it changes based on interest, however if the popular beliwf of love transcends then sure I'd say it's not wrong as long as it is mutual, and a decent relationship

Edit: that was real world opinion, as for literature its fictional and its not something that really should be bothered
Posted 7/14/13
its a simple answer. NO
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wait why do you call their one word answer obnoxious? it answers the main question in your topic header right? so what is it that they gave you a simple and exact answer to the question you asked? i mean the header question is set up as a simple yes or no correct? but then i just guess you believe everyone should give you their whole life stories in an answer to your question cause apparently your so important and amazing that a one word answer is an insult to you.
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FlyinDumpling wrote:

Whether it be anime or manga, should people who have/seen loli or shotacon be sanctioned as if they were possessing child pornography?

I'm still confused about where I stand on this topic. Some say it is constitutionally protected under the first amendment. Others say It perpetuates sexual abuse against children and encourages pedophiles. What do you think about these points? According to U.S. law, loli and shota might or might not be legal...there is no straight answer. Bullshit right? This means you might go to jail if you have seen Boku no Pico or a kuroshitsuji doujinshi...and you are probably legally defined as a pedophile :x


threads like these are pointless, moral immoral illegal legal its all subjective and based on wildfire opinions from people who cant think for them selves.
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No. Lolicon/Shota are just works of art/fictional and are completely different from the illegal substances such as CP.
Also, liking Lolicon/Shota does not mean that the person is actually into actual little children. (Kids creep me out yo)
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Posted 7/14/13

kenter09 wrote:


FlyinDumpling wrote:

Whether it be anime or manga, should people who have/seen loli or shotacon be sanctioned as if they were possessing child pornography?

I'm still confused about where I stand on this topic. Some say it is constitutionally protected under the first amendment. Others say It perpetuates sexual abuse against children and encourages pedophiles. What do you think about these points? According to U.S. law, loli and shota might or might not be legal...there is no straight answer. Bullshit right? This means you might go to jail if you have seen Boku no Pico or a kuroshitsuji doujinshi...and you are probably legally defined as a pedophile :x


threads like these are pointless, moral immoral illegal legal its all subjective and based on wildfire opinions from people who cant think for them selves.


You do have a point really, all these threads really do is make trolling matches and ultimately waste time...
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Anded991 wrote:

wait why do you call their one word answer obnoxious? it answers the main question in your topic header right? so what is it that they gave you a simple and exact answer to the question you asked? i mean the header question is set up as a simple yes or no correct? but then i just guess you believe everyone should give you their whole life stories in an answer to your question cause apparently your so important and amazing that a one word answer is an insult to you.
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Posted 7/14/13
There's a fine line between being attracted to the real thing, and drawn characters. So I say, if that's what you're into, I really don't care.
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Posted 7/14/13


Essentially. Perhaps after the watching/reading of Game of Thrones is illegalised this question will acquire precedent.
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Posted 7/14/13 , edited 7/14/13

Tattles wrote:


saksiss wrote:

Nopeee. LOLI'S FOR LIFE! : )


lol and yes.


I can't tell whether you find my comment amusing, hence lolling and all the while agreeing with me. OR your "yes" is your personal opinion that lolicon should be illegal. I never thought the day would come when three simple words would strain my brain like this!
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Posted 7/14/13
No, cause there's a difference between 2D and 3D.

Also, because there's a difference between fantasy and reality. So long as you never act out your fantasies - potentially illegal ones - you're not committing a crime. You can't control what you think about - just what you do.
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Posted 7/14/13
It is just art or fiction characters it does not hurt anything or anybody in real life. if it does then some may take action such as counseling.
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