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Should lolicon/shotacon be illegal?
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Posted 7/14/13

saksiss wrote:


Tattles wrote:


saksiss wrote:

Nopeee. LOLI'S FOR LIFE! : )


lol and yes.


I can't tell whether you find my comment amusing, hence lolling and all the while agreeing with me. OR your "yes" is your personal opinion that lolicon should be illegal. I never thought the day would come when three simple words would strain my brain like this!


I support legalolicon. "lol" because I was amused.


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Being attracted to children is not a crime, but acting on that attraction with a child is. Even if someone watches these shows and gets off to them, that is not illegal (though you may think it immoral). You can not punish people for having thoughts, however twisted they may be.
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Ah good to know.
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It's pretty much common sense that having sex with anyone below their teens is a bad idea (and I personally would not recommend sleeping with underage teens either). I believe that people that propagate this kind of behavior should not be allowed to roam about freely in ANY society: Japanese, US, or otherwise. If it is blatant child pornography like Boku no Pico, then someone really should be arrested.
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That being said http://youtu.be/Xo3Tpw-zLkM
Posted 7/14/13

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I Think the art is fine but when it`s used sexually like a ecchi or hentai then Yeah be gone I Guess it`s like having a show about a crazy killer murder with no motive but it gives a positive message of murdering people it can be bad like how In Oreimo the siblings like each other? It`s just my opinion I know it`s their art yadda yadda and they can do whatever they want with it but there is an extent when it can give off a horrible message.


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Posted 7/15/13
IF it ain't hurtin' nobody, why should we care?
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I think the main thing to think about is that, whenever you try to restrict content that is somewhat vague or ephemeral, it tends to have serious, unintended consequences. In 1997, in the United States, there was a law passed by congress and signed by the President, that, among other things, prohibited depictions of minors in media engaging in sexual acts. I'm no lawyer, so I can't say any of this with 100% certainty, but my understanding was that the wording of the law was such that it could be reasonably argued that a number of things that reasonable people would consider fine would be considered "obscene". Incidentally, the Supreme Court declared that law unconstitutional pretty much immediately.

That's the thing: when you think about it, a lot of things could be considered "lolicon" or "shotacon". Is "Fast Times at Ridgemont High"? How about "Queer as Folk"? "Dawson's Creek"? How about things that don't actually involve sex, but could be argued are titillating, stuff like the anime "Milky Holmes" or "Vividred Operation" or "Chubra"? To say nothing of the wide array of novels that could be called into question in the same way.

The point being, at a certain point, trying to regulate something like this isn't practical, since, as much as anything, the response received by the viewer is the part that bothers you. After all, what is "lolicon"? It isn't actually the book or anime or whatever that's lolicon, its the person who reads/watches it and has certain feelings from it. You could watch something and not have any sexual desires toward characters in it, whereas another might.
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And where does it stop?

Next it would be any stories with rape. Then murder. Then violence in general. Then anything and everything that could be deemed "obscene" by the loosest definition of the word. Sooner or later video games are outlawed. Movies abolished. Self expression through music destroyed. The second you let people take away a few small pieces of art and free speech, they will not stop at that. They can't, it's against their nature.

Is that the world you want to live in? Because It's not the one I want to be a part of.
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Posted 7/15/13
Nope.
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I don't think it should be illegal, because it's drawn,nothing realistic is about it, their personalities are fictive, they are fictional characters which makes it okay, now real pedophilia(child porn) that's wrong because they are not fictive and on the most part they are forced into doing it. When they are drawn you can't say that they were forced into doing this, because the personality is made up by the ones making the script. It's all made up.

Sure I see the point that this could send out the wrong message to everyone that CP is okay, but I think there is as much of a chance that video games make you violent than you will see child porn as okay by watching loli.. And that's like 0% -.-

But I don't know really, I'm in that age where it's okay to think about it lol ( I'm 16) loli and shota is about 12-17? So i'm in the age as that xD Maybe that's why I'm a bit bias on the whole subject, but I think art is okay when doing this, IRL is different.

TLDR: No, I don't think it should be illegal.
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This is a good point at which to bring up the Handley case.

http://dynamicsubspace.net/2011/06/25/the-united-states-and-canada-declare-war-on-japanese-manga-and-lolicon/

This precedent is a major reason why I keep my entire anime / manga habit to myself. It can be too easily misinterpreted. Note: I am not personally a fan of either loli or shota, but enough of what I watch – and what can be watched – contains elements of those things that I advise most fans to tread very carefully.
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Personally I find it utterly disgusting and I have a genuine dislike for the whole genre, so I stay away from anything related to it. The appreciation of sexualized children is something I'll never be able to understand, no matter which form it comes in.

Making it illegal to watch something fictional has too many pitfalls, so no.


Spoiler-tagged content is not directly relevant to this thread, and is purely based on my personal opinion:






Posted 7/15/13
It. Is. Not. Real.

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Posted 7/15/13
That's a rather difficult question to answer. Personally i don't think lolis or shotas lead to pedophilia. Most people are able to tell the difference between reality and the virtual world, but let's say some people don't and it could set the spark that turns a person from a lolicon to a pedophile, the problem would still lay elsewhere. Damaged people become pedophiles, shouldn't they work on fixing the damage rather than removing the spark. I understand the logic behind making it illegal, but taking away the freedom of art would suck. Soon after they would probably remove gore as well.
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