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Should lolicon/shotacon be illegal?
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Personally I find it utterly disgusting and I have a genuine dislike for the whole genre, so I stay away from anything related to it. The appreciation of sexualized children is something I'll never be able to understand, no matter which form it comes in.

Making it illegal to watch something fictional has too many pitfalls, so no.


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^ This.

Lolicon and Shota con is NOT art by default. Depending on the specific circumstances, some of it can be considered art. But the act of sexualizing 7-10 year old children in itself is NOT art. The loli/shota anime itself may be art in a way, like how pornography is considered "art" in a certain way. Just because it's "art" it doesn't excuse it from being pedophilic and immoral.

If it was a legitimate story with a loli/shota character as a part of that story and not the main focus, I think there's nothing wrong with it because the loli/shota is only a small piece of the piece of art as a whole. But when a shota/loli anime focuses on the sexualization of children, then that's where it loses it's right to be considered art. At this point, it's pretty clear that the artwork/anime's ONLY purpose is to draw out pedophilic tendencies from its viewers.

I don't think it should be made illegal, but I find it pretty disgusting. It's uncomfortable when there's a loli in a legitimately decent anime, but I'm okay with it because usually there is nothing explicit. However, it seems that there are some popular anime where the focal point is the sexualization of little kids, then that's where I draw the line. It's revolting.
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People who say that people are into lolis or shotacons are paedophiles aren't even supporting how that connection is made and understand very little about human psychology. It's like saying that everyone that watches porn videos titles "father and daughter" want to have sex with their daughter. How crazy would that be? Once you taboo something in your society, you instantly create a curiosity for it. It's like countries that outlaw homosexuality are often the biggest searchers of gay porn.

Even if the person into lolis or shotas WAS a paedophile, and it was through animation that they found it out, why is that wrong? That's their first step to getting better. It would be much better to find out like that then to suddenly realize you like a little girl. But when you do nothing but say they should go to jail for even having the attraction, you're putting them into a state of fear and cornering them. That's not helping.

There's an entire realm of difference between reality and animation, though. What I find enjoyable in animation is not what I like in person. Not personality wise, or looks wise. And typically not even gender wise.

So no, I'm not so bigoted as to say that it should be illegal, regardless of my own personal opinion on it. If you're curious what my opinion is, I find some loli characters to be the most adorable things to have ever been drawn. I don't see enough shota characters to have much of an opinion there, but I still don't think it should be illegal either. Because why would it be? Hooters should be illegal before an art form.
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People who say that people are into lolis or shotacons are paedophiles aren't even supporting how that connection is made and understand very little about human psychology. It's like saying that everyone that watches porn videos titles "father and daughter" want to have sex with their daughter. How crazy would that be? Once you taboo something in your society, you instantly create a curiosity for it. It's like countries that outlaw homosexuality are often the biggest searchers of gay porn.

Even if the person into lolis or shotas WAS a paedophile, and it was through animation that they found it out, why is that wrong? That's their first step to getting better. It would be much better to find out like that then to suddenly realize you like a little girl. But when you do nothing but say they should go to jail for even having the attraction, you're putting them into a state of fear and cornering them. That's not helping.

There's an entire realm of difference between reality and animation, though. What I find enjoyable in animation is not what I like in person. Not personality wise, or looks wise. And typically not even gender wise.

So no, I'm not so bigoted as to say that it should be illegal, regardless of my own personal opinion on it. If you're curious what my opinion is, I find some loli characters to be the most adorable things to have ever been drawn. I don't see enough shota characters to have much of an opinion there, but I still don't think it should be illegal either. Because why would it be? Hooters should be illegal before an art form.


Plus, I'm pretty sure that the physiologies of real-life children have subconscious, psychological indicators telling most people that the child is not viable for any kind of sexual attraction, and that these indicators are not present in the highly stylized drawings in which a child is indistinguishable from a short, underdeveloped teenager/adult. Which is why it is perfectly reasonable for a person to be attracted to anime lolis but not real-life children.
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No it shouldn't be illegal, first of all it's art and artist should be free to express themselves in the way they see fit without censorship, second of all it is a Victimless crime no one is being abused during them and if this was more popular pedophiles whouldn't be chaseing down real little girls or boys and instead would just get off to this stuff.
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I Think the art is fine but when it`s used sexually like a ecchi or hentai then Yeah be gone I Guess it`s like having a show about a crazy killer murder with no motive but it gives a positive message of murdering people it can be bad like how In Oreimo the siblings like each other? It`s just my opinion I know it`s their art yadda yadda and they can do whatever they want with it but there is an extent when it can give off a horrible message.


Hmm well then heres a hint read the description and then if you don't like it don't watch or read it. There problem solved. I mean just cause you think its a horrible message doesn't mean it is. And Have you actually read the light novel. If you haven't then please do you might be in for a shocker. You might actually like it. That is just for the Oreimo fans, me being one.
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Dayummy wrote:

I Think the art is fine but when it`s used sexually like a ecchi or hentai then Yeah be gone I Guess it`s like having a show about a crazy killer murder with no motive but it gives a positive message of murdering people it can be bad like how In Oreimo the siblings like each other? It`s just my opinion I know it`s their art yadda yadda and they can do whatever they want with it but there is an extent when it can give off a horrible message.


Hmm well then heres a hint read the description and then if you don't like it don't watch or read it. There problem solved. I mean just cause you think its a horrible message doesn't mean it is. And Have you actually read the light novel. If you haven't then please do you might be in for a shocker. You might actually like it. That is just for the Oreimo fans, me being one.


I Did infact like it at first, But if you were to see how it plays out in the first books and season one it looks like they are trying to get closer as a family, but I was wrong letter they proceed to have a Romantic relationship with one another. It makes it looks positive that getting with a family member is good, and Why are you having a debate about Oreimo with me when this discussion is about a totally different subject
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i hear everybody saying that it might encourage pedophiles
but on the other hand there might be some pedophiles out there that don't want to harm children and use this as a alternative
to you know re-leave them self so you also might push those people over some edge if you take it away from them
but this just what i think have no data to support this

but all with all i think we should worry more about real people being killed in real life then about some drawn fictional child having a good time or getting abused cause in the end its still fictional

and there is way more disturbing things on Internet than this like real people being beheaded with a not to sharp knife
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Dayummy wrote:


dakota479 wrote:


Dayummy wrote:

I Think the art is fine but when it`s used sexually like a ecchi or hentai then Yeah be gone I Guess it`s like having a show about a crazy killer murder with no motive but it gives a positive message of murdering people it can be bad like how In Oreimo the siblings like each other? It`s just my opinion I know it`s their art yadda yadda and they can do whatever they want with it but there is an extent when it can give off a horrible message.


Hmm well then heres a hint read the description and then if you don't like it don't watch or read it. There problem solved. I mean just cause you think its a horrible message doesn't mean it is. And Have you actually read the light novel. If you haven't then please do you might be in for a shocker. You might actually like it. That is just for the Oreimo fans, me being one.


I Did infact like it at first, But if you were to see how it plays out in the first books and season one it looks like they are trying to get closer as a family, but I was wrong letter they proceed to have a Romantic relationship with one another. It makes it looks positive that getting with a family member is good, and Why are you having a debate about Oreimo with me when this discussion is about a totally different subject



Ok the oreimo was mainly just for reference of the sibling love thing. Granted I did tend to ramble. And I do apoligise about my tendency to do so. It happens, Damn ADHD! Non the less. My feelings stand as such. Most of the time with sibling love as in Oreimo it turns out some how or another they aren't really related by blood or they are distant very distant relitives. And I also apoligise my spelling is atrocious. And for the loli thing. I personaly am not into it. Just that I feel that as long as it is only on paper. Then I might be a release for said pedos to find there place to fulfill there needs in a legal way. My point Don't judge cause you prolly just don't understand their point of view. But I will however fight for your right all day to have a freedom of speech of your point of view. Just don't try to force your ideals of right or wrong onto other people.
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dakota479 wrote:


Dayummy wrote:


dakota479 wrote:


Dayummy wrote:

I Think the art is fine but when it`s used sexually like a ecchi or hentai then Yeah be gone I Guess it`s like having a show about a crazy killer murder with no motive but it gives a positive message of murdering people it can be bad like how In Oreimo the siblings like each other? It`s just my opinion I know it`s their art yadda yadda and they can do whatever they want with it but there is an extent when it can give off a horrible message.


Hmm well then heres a hint read the description and then if you don't like it don't watch or read it. There problem solved. I mean just cause you think its a horrible message doesn't mean it is. And Have you actually read the light novel. If you haven't then please do you might be in for a shocker. You might actually like it. That is just for the Oreimo fans, me being one.


I Did infact like it at first, But if you were to see how it plays out in the first books and season one it looks like they are trying to get closer as a family, but I was wrong letter they proceed to have a Romantic relationship with one another. It makes it looks positive that getting with a family member is good, and Why are you having a debate about Oreimo with me when this discussion is about a totally different subject



Ok the oreimo was mainly just for reference of the sibling love thing. Granted I did tend to ramble. And I do apoligise about my tendency to do so. It happens, Damn ADHD! Non the less. My feelings stand as such. Most of the time with sibling love as in Oreimo it turns out some how or another they aren't really related by blood or they are distant very distant relitives. And I also apoligise my spelling is atrocious. And for the loli thing. I personaly am not into it. Just that I feel that as long as it is only on paper. Then I might be a release for said pedos to find there place to fulfill there needs in a legal way. My point Don't judge cause you prolly just don't understand their point of view. But I will however fight for your right all day to have a freedom of speech of your point of view. Just don't try to force your ideals of right or wrong onto other people.


I Don`t remember trying to force my ideas on to anyone....
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not sure what th e last term Means, but i know for a fact, that many countries already consider possesion of underage pornography, even in animated form, illegal. being caught in posession, will land you in jail.
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Dayummy wrote:


dakota479 wrote:


Dayummy wrote:


dakota479 wrote:


Dayummy wrote:

I Think the art is fine but when it`s used sexually like a ecchi or hentai then Yeah be gone I Guess it`s like having a show about a crazy killer murder with no motive but it gives a positive message of murdering people it can be bad like how In Oreimo the siblings like each other? It`s just my opinion I know it`s their art yadda yadda and they can do whatever they want with it but there is an extent when it can give off a horrible message.


Hmm well then heres a hint read the description and then if you don't like it don't watch or read it. There problem solved. I mean just cause you think its a horrible message doesn't mean it is. And Have you actually read the light novel. If you haven't then please do you might be in for a shocker. You might actually like it. That is just for the Oreimo fans, me being one.


I Did infact like it at first, But if you were to see how it plays out in the first books and season one it looks like they are trying to get closer as a family, but I was wrong letter they proceed to have a Romantic relationship with one another. It makes it looks positive that getting with a family member is good, and Why are you having a debate about Oreimo with me when this discussion is about a totally different subject



Ok the oreimo was mainly just for reference of the sibling love thing. Granted I did tend to ramble. And I do apoligise about my tendency to do so. It happens, Damn ADHD! Non the less. My feelings stand as such. Most of the time with sibling love as in Oreimo it turns out some how or another they aren't really related by blood or they are distant very distant relitives. And I also apoligise my spelling is atrocious. And for the loli thing. I personaly am not into it. Just that I feel that as long as it is only on paper. Then I might be a release for said pedos to find there place to fulfill there needs in a legal way. My point Don't judge cause you prolly just don't understand their point of view. But I will however fight for your right all day to have a freedom of speech of your point of view. Just don't try to force your ideals of right or wrong onto other people.


I Don`t remember trying to force my ideas on to anyone....


I will and just to say its been fun debating this with you and will now nicely bow out. And I also thank you for seeing my point of view on this too.
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i hear everybody saying that it might encourage pedophiles
but on the other hand there might be some pedophiles out there that don't want to harm children and use this as a alternative
to you know re-leave them self so you also might push those people over some edge if you take it away from them
but this just what i think have no data to support this

but all with all i think we should worry more about real people being killed in real life then about some drawn fictional child having a good time or getting abused cause in the end its still fictional

and there is way more disturbing things on Internet than this like real people being beheaded with a not to sharp knife


I'd rather not know... I'm a just leave that one at bath salts

drawn fictional child having a good time or getting abused cause in the end its still fictional <- this

If you're into hentai, you're probably getting off to a fantasy, so you do have a tendency somewhere in your head

They should keep it legal, or else Japan is gonna come out with something crazier, like eyeball licking or something...

in the end, hentai = tendency/fantasy, full blown porn = already there

also argument about art VVVVV

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You watched Boku no Pico? I'm sorry to hear that. Did you finish it all or stop ten minutes in?
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If you watch boku no pico you should probably go to jail.
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