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Posted 7/20/13
personally i really enjoyed it not gonna lie dont give a shit what people think hoooooooooooooowever the sao fanbase is annoying as hell and is probably the biggest part why people like to hate on it for the fact that they think it is the holy grail of anime and that it is the most original anime out there when you state something false like its god law people are going to troll like there is no tomorrow
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You'll always have overly critical nitpickers that think arrogantly that they have a right to judge any work or medium. If lucky the sales/views of a certain work/medium will prove its worth and if the world was just shut the critics up. Arrogant people always want to feel like others want to hear their opinion, some even think they're words should be heeded, but only thing to do is just to ignore or prove them wrong.

In regards to SAO specifically, the nitpickers are the ones that annoyed me. Taking a small detail (relative to the whole story) and making it seem like it ruined the series, when at worst its just a simple overlooked or left to the viewers imagination detail. Not to mention the 'omg Asuna didn't hack the system and beat down an admin character, she's so weak of a character' idea. I wish people would drop the 'harem' aspect since if anything it'd be 'unwanted harem' (maybe Love Triangle with Sugu), though I don't even see it as that since Kirito only returns the affection/attraction to 1 of the female characters w/o even hinting at going for another. But whatever I stick by what I've said in the past and think its a good anime.
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xCrimsonEX wrote:

You'll always have overly critical nitpickers that think arrogantly that they have a right to judge any work or medium. If lucky the sales/views of a certain work/medium will prove its worth and if the world was just shut the critics up. Arrogant people always want to feel like others want to hear their opinion, some even think they're words should be heeded, but only thing to do is just to ignore or prove them wrong.

While I agree nitpickers are annoying and we shouldn't listen to them if we disagree with them because we have the perfect right to our opinions, gross sales numbers aren't much of a defense to actual criticism; because Michael Bay.

It's just that criticism is mostly irrelevant to whether or not something can be fun; criticism is mostly about taking something apart and examining it, while most people just care about whether or not it looks nice all put together.

So people who think it's actually ugly will take it apart and parade any flaws they find as proof.

Which is really just an exercise in self-gratification in the end, I think.

Creativity is an evolutionary process, and all evolutionary processes will contain flaws.
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Sometimes people have literally nothing to say, but then they notice the first few comments and if they happen to be negative they might think it's a good idea to post their own idea of a witty or valid post when it's actually nothing but a recitement of someone they thought looked clever.

As for SAO, it was ok. I don't see what all the fuzz is about. It was a good flick, but nothing special.
Can't beliveve that's still being debated, since it's all relative.
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My main issue with criticism is that it has the effect, whether intentional or not, of possibly driving others away from a work. I agree everyone is granted their opinion, however I have an equal right to tear that opinion apart. I have my own opinions on anime across multiple genres but I keep it to myself instead of standing on my podium declaring how x-anime did such and such wrong. I simply tell anyone that asks what I liked about an anime and to just watch it for themselves to decide, no negative things that may dissuade someone via just an impression.
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xCrimsonEX wrote:

My main issue with criticism is that it has the effect, whether intentional or not, of possibly driving others away from a work. I agree everyone is granted their opinion, however I have an equal right to tear that opinion apart. I have my own opinions on anime across multiple genres but I keep it to myself instead of standing on my podium declaring how x-anime did such and such wrong. I simply tell anyone that asks what I liked about an anime and to just watch it for themselves to decide, no negative things that may dissuade someone via just an impression.

We're on the same page then.
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Well, this is convenient -- I'll just quote myself from the last time I answered this question.


theYchromosome wrote:

The fanbase is disproportionate to the quality. It was a fun show, but it wasn't really anything spectacular. It's like Naruto or Bleach -- good shows, but their fanbase is larger (and more outspoken) than their quality would suggest. Contrast this with shows like Gintama, Steins;Gate, or Clannad, which have a lot of supporters, but are also fairly universally recognized as really good shows. With these shows, the negative nancys just say something like "I didn't really like it" or "I don't get the hype." They, at least a little, understand why people like it, even if they don't share the sentiment. When you watch a show and think it's good, you also presume that everyone else thinks it's good. With most shows, there will be some proportion of people that likes it more than it's "objectively" good. With popular shows, even if the proportion is the same, there's simply more people saying it.

So when you think a show (SAO for example) is good, and you see A LOT of people hailing it as god-tier, something clashes with your intuition. This convinces people to re-evaluate things to see if they were wrong, and for some people, there is a tendency to bias the evaluation towards the flaws (some people tend to like their opinions more than everyone else's, and if you think a show is worse than everyone else thinks it is, you are going to want to find reasons why it's worse) Then you have a list of flaws in a show, and since shows with a lot of flaws clearly suck, you must correct the claim that the show is god-tier by balancing with the opposite sentiment. Of course, there's always people that are turned off by flaws more than they are excited by things they like. However, it seems like they pretty much shut up about it as long as the opposing party shuts up about it -- which isn't really practically possible with popular shows.


I'll just add that there's nothing wrong with liking a show more than it's objectively good. I like Humanity Has Declined way more than it deserves, and have spoken of it similarly. Nonetheless, I haven't heard much opposition, because people aren't hearing the undue praise that I give it all the time. I also recognize that I like Bakemonogatari way more than it deserves, and I sometimes get opposition to that, probably because of its popularity.
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SpiralPower1337 wrote:

1.Turned into a harem (Every girl wants that virtual D)

2.If I remember, the character development and lines were really cheesy.

3.The story had great potential, but it turned into some generic hero saves the bullshit that only people who just got into anime would enjoy, or people that don't need much then girls and action.

Still, I watched all of it lol but my argument stands, it's really nothing special except for the visuals.

P.S Hate when people compare it too AoT.



Yep, this sums it up, nothing else to see here.
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Posted 7/20/13

globenstuff wrote:

For me SAO is not as great as the Fan boys say it is, but it isn't has terrible as the haters say it is.
also am I the only one who going to check it out on Toonami?


I know I will be checking it out. I personally love Sword Art Online and I am looking forward to see the English dub version of it.
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I'm actually in the middle of writing a series of blog posts that defend SAO on commonly used criticisms (which I find misguided), but for now, I'll summarize myself responding here.


SpiralPower1337 wrote:

1.Turned into a harem (Every girl wants that virtual D)

2.If I remember, the character development and lines were really cheesy.

3.The story had great potential, but it turned into some generic hero saves the bullshit that only people who just got into anime would enjoy, or people that don't need much then girls and action.

1. Tough for me to justify classifying episodes using those side-stories for character development for the MC as a "harem." Each encounter added to Kirito's development. Really, there's no where else to go, because all development is a result of human interaction. If it had been 3 guys, people would be shouting yaoi, but it was 3 girls so they shout harem. You can't win apparently.

2. I don't think ever line in the show was cheesy, and I do think that the occasional cheesy line ought to be forgiven in any show. This one is harder to argue against because it's an opinion, while the other two items are issues of classification.

3. I contend that the story is consistent throughout the entire first half of the show. It's fundamentally about Kirito surviving in Aincard, and how he does it. Fun fact: Kirito wouldn't have saved anybody if it hadn't been for Asuna.
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When you're evaluating/critiquing an anime you can look at it objectively or subjectively. To a certain degree you can't separate the two ideals, and I try my best to look at each anime objectively and subjectively.

What the criticism stems from is what is "good" anime. With SAO do I (objectively) think it is good? No it is terrible (first arc anyways). Do I (subjectively) think it is good yeah. I liked the mmo theme.

With the first arc, breaking it down: we had intro, first boss fight, mini guild (so far so good), loli dragon, pink blacksmith, the disappearance of sao players, dual wielding, the dual, getting married, skelator boss, last boss fight (which ended faster than skelator).

There is a stretch in the middle where the continuity is just, gone. The story picks back up with the dual wielding but the series wasted 4 episodes to get one sword, and used half an episode to cram the ending of two boss fights in... I still liked the anime but it is bad.
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This may come across as a bit pretentious, but there is a HUGE difference between plot and story (they are not the same thing at all), and I think that confusing those two things is why people struggle to accept the pacing and continuity of the anime.
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Posted 7/20/13

GayAsianBoy wrote:

It's not just Sword Art Online.
Just because SAO is your favourite anime doesn't mean it's "good" or "enjoyable" for everyone else.


There are a lot of animes that are considered masterpieces, yet I still give them negative criticisms, such as "Cowboy Bebop", or "One Piece".
Why?
Simply because they don't meet my taste or standards.


And just because someone gives a negative criticism, it doesn't mean they "hate" the anime. I still like One Piece even though I gave it negative criticism before, especially regarding powerups and extended fight scenes.




Quoted for TRUTH.

You and I feel the same way. I never got into SAO or bought into the hype after a friend of mine showed me 3 episodes. Not even my girlfriend (who's way more otaku than I am) got into it. It's just not my thing, and it shouldn't be shoved down my throat or forced on me to the point where I'll be viewed as completely "irrelevant" as an anime fan. As this guy said, it's not just SAO. Apply this same puppet-like mindset to ANYTHING THAT IS POPULAR OR OVERHYPED.
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People that watch Sword Art Online are split down the middle of two polar opposite sides. On one side, the fans of this show overlook everything that's bad about this show. All they see is the enjoyment that this show provides. Haters of this show overlook all of the good this show holds in it. My opinion lies in the middle of the two vices.

The characters are awful. Kirito is a boring static character. The rest of the cast has no character development (unless you count Asuna's character regression into becoming completely reliant on the only character of the show). The final villain was absolutely pitiful and the motives of the villains were absolutely petty. There isn't a single good thing you can say about the characters. This story is also a harem in disguise. The romance is poorly contrived.

The plot is wonderful. But the story deviates from the plot and it prevents itself from being as good as it possibly could. Still, better than average. Maybe worthy of being called good.

The personal enjoyment I got from this show made me blindly rate this show a 9 on MAL when it finished. This show is absolutely enjoyable and you won't be bored for a single second throughout the entire time you
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Posted 7/20/13 , edited 7/20/13


Glad to hear, to quote a character from an anime I love "We have come to terms" -Roger Smith (Big O).

Anyway back onto the thread itself allow me to further demonstrate my point by pointing to K (or K Project). I've seen various people insulting it because it has hints of BL and using this as an excuse to hate it. Is this a viable reason to hate the anime? No, and yet some critics have/will in the future use it and there are people out there that will see their w/e b.s. rating for it and choose not to watch a good anime (imo). And before anyone gets on the 'well they should have a mind of their own' train I'll say that when you're in-between anime and trying to find one to watch you'll take various things into account even a completely biased/idiotic review thus anyone can be with it.
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