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Do I seem like a person to randomly bump a thread without an ulterior motive?

I do not bump threads for discussion. I bump threads for entertainment.
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^ sounds about right.. and I'm sure SAO threads stopped being entertaining about a year ago
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I think a reason it gets a lot of hate is that most people watched and enjoyed the first couple episodes. Then it just totally s%#^# itself.


Spot on analysis!
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eightcar wrote:


Alienshroom wrote:

I think a reason it gets a lot of hate is that most people watched and enjoyed the first couple episodes. Then it just totally s%#^# itself.


Spot on analysis!


It wasn't an analysis, it was a baseless opinion.

This is a discussion forum, it's okay to not like it and it's definitely okay to voice your opinion. But instead of just dribbling "hurr SAO was shit just COZ", try to communicate why you felt that way.

You guys are exactly what this thread has been talking about, people that mindlessly hate something for no apparent reason. And that's not me taking a stab at you, I understand that pack mentality, but please at least provide some depth to your answers.

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Kelthos wrote:


eightcar wrote:


Alienshroom wrote:

I think a reason it gets a lot of hate is that most people watched and enjoyed the first couple episodes. Then it just totally s%#^# itself.


Spot on analysis!


It wasn't an analysis, it was a baseless opinion.

This is a discussion forum, it's okay to not like it and it's definitely okay to voice your opinion. But instead of just dribbling "hurr SAO was shit just COZ", try to communicate why you felt that way.

You guys are exactly what this thread has been talking about, people that mindlessly hate something for no apparent reason. And that's not me taking a stab at you, I understand that pack mentality, but please at least provide some depth to your answers.



1) After the first two episode for mostly the rest of the first ARC characters were introduced to never be heard from again throughout most the episodes, the main girl turns from a strong female character to some doe-eyed helpless crying girl (she don't even get a name in my book), and most the MMO setting that was introduced in the first 2 episodes gets pushed to the back for the most part.

2) The first 2 episodes set up for what could have been a great anime, but devolved into ..well random time jumping without much if any exposition on it, character tossing-away after just introducing them in an episode, 1/2 assed romantic story line tripe.

3) ARC 2 seriously..do I even have to go into the whole dump the love story you just started and left half-assed and instead get the MC involved with his sister/cousin? Or the freakishly perverted Elf-King (Or is it Fairy King as it is the Fairy ARC?) Or the lets introduced a tentacle monster after watching most the series and thinking ok, younger audience could watch this anime but now you are embarrassed that they saw that scene?

I could go on if you like, sorry I agreed with someone who doesn't share YOUR opinion
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I have always been of the opinion that this series is not really bad enough to warrant the hate that it gets. However, the series DOES have some issues. Mostly in pacing and character growth, ESPECIALLY in the second part of the series after Aincrad. This has more to do with how the anime studio went about adapting the anime from the light novels that do not have the same problems and are rather decently told. It would have helped to have A LOT of the inner monologue that the anime seemed to have deemed unimportant enough to keep in. Personally, what should have been done was cut out the side story parts (the Lizbeth and Silica stories do not expand the story, really), and get more of the interactions between Asuna and Kirito that was unrightfully cut. Or, if you keep the Aincrad side stories, have ALL the episodes in the anime dedicated solely to Aincrad and drop Fairy Dance so there was better character interactions. Because, while Fairy Dance is A LOT better in the LNs than the anime, it is still easily the weakest arc, and the anime REALLY rushed it badly.

Also, the murder mystery story... Technically that is a VERY important event in the Light Novels since it explains who Laughing Coffin is, and they play a DAMN huge part in the later Light Novels. However, that was a side-story that showed up in the eighth Light Novel, and was only there to explain Laughing Coffin and who the main three leaders are because of what happened in the Phantom Bullet story line (which is freaking FANTASTIC and if the anime creators can do it any sort of justice, they SHOULD animate it) and what happens later after that. Anyway, it did not really fit with the narrative of the plot in the anime. It should have been a story that was told later on in a different season of the anime as a flashback.

Personally, the anime was misguided, roughly handled, and rushed too much to properly tell the story that needed to be told. While a lot of people may not like the series, even if they read the light novels, I still think that it might change a few people's opinions if they attempt to read them. The anime was a quality enough experience for me to get into the light novels in the first place, however. I loved the anime after I first saw it, but after reading the light novels, a lot of the complains that people tend to have with the anime make a lot more sense to me, just because of the more detail that went missing from the light novel in the transition into an anime. The anime gets a 7/10 from me when it was originally an 8 just because the animation is fantastic, I still enjoy some of the characters (namely Kirito and Asuna), but it loses points for rushing a lot of the details that were necessary, I think. Still doesn't deserve a lot of the vitriol, though.

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the main girl turns from a strong female character to some doe-eyed helpless crying girl (she don't even get a name in my book), and most the MMO setting that was introduced in the first 2 episodes gets pushed to the back for the most part.


Ehhh... I don't think Asuna was a helpless crying girl. Well, until the second part of the series, but even then it was not handled that well in the anime at all. Much better character moments for her in that one in the LNs then the anime tended to depict, and even then, that situation was... different. In the Aincrad story, she was very proactive even at the very end. Shit, she was the one that saved Kirito... TWICE.
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eightcar wrote:


Kelthos wrote:


eightcar wrote:


Alienshroom wrote:

I think a reason it gets a lot of hate is that most people watched and enjoyed the first couple episodes. Then it just totally s%#^# itself.


Spot on analysis!


It wasn't an analysis, it was a baseless opinion.

This is a discussion forum, it's okay to not like it and it's definitely okay to voice your opinion. But instead of just dribbling "hurr SAO was shit just COZ", try to communicate why you felt that way.

You guys are exactly what this thread has been talking about, people that mindlessly hate something for no apparent reason. And that's not me taking a stab at you, I understand that pack mentality, but please at least provide some depth to your answers.



1) After the first two episode for mostly the rest of the first ARC characters were introduced to never be heard from again throughout most the episodes, the main girl turns from a strong female character to some doe-eyed helpless crying girl (she don't even get a name in my book), and most the MMO setting that was introduced in the first 2 episodes gets pushed to the back for the most part.

2) The first 2 episodes set up for what could have been a great anime, but devolved into ..well random time jumping without much if any exposition on it, character tossing-away after just introducing them in an episode, 1/2 assed romantic story line tripe.

3) ARC 2 seriously..do I even have to go into the whole dump the love story you just started and left half-assed and instead get the MC involved with his sister/cousin? Or the freakishly perverted Elf-King (Or is it Fairy King as it is the Fairy ARC?) Or the lets introduced a tentacle monster after watching most the series and thinking ok, younger audience could watch this anime but now you are embarrassed that they saw that scene?

I could go on if you like, sorry I agreed with someone who doesn't share YOUR opinion


You don't need to apologize for agreeing with anyone, nor do I care who you agree with. But if you're going to come to a forum, don't get all worked up if someone calls you out for typing one line that doesn't contribute to anything.

1) Fair enough. I get that - from my point of view I understand it a bit more because I've read the Light Novels, not that that is an excuse. You shouldn't have to read the books to understand what is going on in a show, but that being said they only had 25 episodes.
The characters from Episode 3 onward (in my opinion) built and shaped Kirito's personality. In the real world, Kirito almost refused to have friends and was extremely detached. In the game, he was able to form friendships.

Not sure what I can say other than I respectfully disagree on your view of Asuna. Yeah, she went from strong heroine to being trapped in a cage, but SAO - again, my opinion - is more about the meaning behind it and like I said in an earlier post, if you don't feel the connection it's not likely that you're going to enjoy it.

2) I'll agree and during my first viewing I thought it was disjointed. In Episode 3 alone it skipped like 7 months. But each episode was had a meaning, a lot of it did center purely around Kirito and giving him some depth but he is the main character. I can see how that can be missed by some though - the depth that is.

3) - Again, I can understand why people feel that way and it all comes back to seeing the message. I didn't really like the cousin thing, but it evolved (again LN material) into them forming a solid bond that was fun to read/watch. The Fairy Dance Arc wasn't all about Kirito which was a bit of an abrupt shift. So many focused on the "ew incest" part of it that they didn't even bother with looking past it. Understandable, but I wish there wasn't so much blatant hate about it, there are plenty of anime with those types of relationships.
- Yeah, he was the Fairy King.
- Will agree with the tentacles but it's one of those unfortunate things where the producers kind of have to animate what they read and the whole escape scene was a turning point for Asuna. Being forced from almost the strongest player in SAO to being trapped in a cage not even being able to access the menu, she was able to find strength to not give up. That's how I see it anyway.

Edit: Thank you for taking the time to post all that. I don't care if you don't like it, I just don't like how people hate on it and never post why or even bother to try to talk about it. So often these days it becomes "lalala, it was terrible and you're stupid if you liked it".
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1) Fair enough. I get that - from my point of view I understand it a bit more because I've read the Light Novels, not that that is an excuse. You shouldn't have to read the books to understand what is going on in a show, but that being said they only had 25 episodes.
The characters from Episode 3 onward (in my opinion) built and shaped Kirito's personality. In the real world, Kirito almost refused to have friends and was extremely detached. In the game, he was able to form friendships.

Not sure what I can say other than I respectfully disagree on your view of Asuna. Yeah, she went from strong heroine to being trapped in a cage, but SAO - again, my opinion - is more about the meaning behind it and like I said in an earlier post, if you don't feel the connection it's not likely that you're going to enjoy it.

2) I'll agree and during my first viewing I thought it was disjointed. In Episode 3 alone it skipped like 7 months. But each episode was had a meaning, a lot of it did center purely around Kirito and giving him some depth but he is the main character. I can see how that can be missed by some though - the depth that is.

3) - Again, I can understand why people feel that way and it all comes back to seeing the message. I didn't really like the cousin thing, but it evolved (again LN material) into them forming a solid bond that was fun to read/watch. The Fairy Dance Arc wasn't all about Kirito which was a bit of an abrupt shift. So many focused on the "ew incest" part of it that they didn't even bother with looking past it. Understandable, but I wish there wasn't so much blatant hate about it, there are plenty of anime with those types of relationships.
- Yeah, he was the Fairy King.
- Will agree with the tentacles but it's one of those unfortunate things where the producers kind of have to animate what they read and the whole escape scene was a turning point for Asuna. Being forced from almost the strongest player in SAO to being trapped in a cage not even being able to access the menu, she was able to find strength to not give up. That's how I see it anyway.

Edit: Thank you for taking the time to post all that. I don't care if you don't like it, I just don't like how people hate on it and never post why or even bother to try to talk about it. So often these days it becomes "lalala, it was terrible and you're stupid if you liked it".


Once last thing on the tentacle scene. SAO has been promoted as MAINSTREAM anime. Too many people in the world think all anime is just hentai tentacle stuff to begin with and SAO just reinforces a bad sterotype pushed onto the anime community!

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eightcar wrote:



Once last thing on the tentacle scene. SAO has been promoted as MAINSTREAM anime. Too many people in the world think all anime is just hentai tentacle stuff to begin with and SAO just reinforces a bad sterotype pushed onto the anime community!

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Will agree there, I definitely thought the whole scene was pointless.. not sure why the author wrote it in the first place. I would say that it isn't fair to hate the anime based on that but you have provided good reasons.
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People have overly discussed since the show ended what they dont like about it Kelthos. We should all be on the same page here. The show S%#&ing itself was, in a nutshell, all the crazy problems that you just agreed with for the most part taking place. I never actually stated my opinion on the show, but you labeled me against it because I admitted the show had problems. Regardless of what side of the fence your on, you cant deny the shows increasingly awkward moments as it progressed could turn quite a few people off.
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People have overly discussed since the show ended what they dont like about it Kelthos. We should all be on the same page here. The show S%#&ing itself was, in a nutshell, all the crazy problems that you just agreed with for the most part taking place. I never actually stated my opinion on the show, but you labeled me against it because I admitted the show had problems. Regardless of what side of the fence your on, you cant deny the shows increasingly awkward moments as it progressed could turn quite a few people off.


Yeah, that's a fair enough point. But sticking to the topic of this thread, all you said was "The show S%#&ing itself" and that's kind of what the OP was talking about. Just baseless hating of the show with no reason provided.

That being said, it does appear I misinterpreted the tone in that post so I apologize.
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basically it tricked me. i love action, edgy, emotional, dark, harems, comedies, all of them. i really dont care about genre's. But Sao started as a darkish tragedy hero action show . i loved kirito loved asuna loved kiritos friend (cant remeber his name,redheaded though i think mayber brown). i was expecting it to show these three develop and fight and complete all the floors in the game and it stopped halfway had asuna lose her coolness and become a waifu then a damsel in distress reveal the villian randomly and toss out everything else. it basically fealt like it became another show. all of the achievements and power kirito WORKED for were then just tossed to him in the next game his lost daughter saved for no reason another love interest appeared.... it basically just wasnt what i hoped for.
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Like many have said, the short answer is that people's tastes differ. There is always going to be someone who doesn't like something simply because it doesn't suit their taste. The people that don't like something for such reasons are often very vocal about it, making sure that everyone on a forum or everyone on Youtube knows that they don't like it. It's those vocal people that give the impression that everyone hates some show, or that a show is terrible. Whether the show turns out to be terrible or not remains to be seen. It is up to each person to decide if they like a show, and if they like it, they will think the show is good.

As far as SAO goes, it had a good start, but hit several bumps along the way that culminated into a derailing of the show in general. I must admit that when I was watching it on a week by week basis, I was never bored once. It is a fun show to watch if you don't sit and analyze it, and I understand that many of the people that felt the same way thought that the show was good because of it. From an academic standpoint, the show was relatively average if you add all the faults and pluses together. The animation and sound were good, but the plot holes and lack of well developed characters made the show average. Despite this, I still must say that I liked the show overall. It wasn't great, but it was fun for me, and that's all I care about.

I suppose that the reason SAO in particular got so much hate was because there was a lot of hype, and where there is hype, there is anti-hype. The anti-hype people are the ones who will bash a show before it comes out, or they will refuse to acknowledge any merit that the show has. Those people are unavoidable. It happens with any show that has hype. All that matters though is what the individual thinks of the show for themselves. I understand that some people didn't like the show, and I am fine with that. It's when people get aggressive or rude that it becomes a problem. People are entitled to their own opinion, and I don't feel that they should be criticized for voicing it in a respectful manner.

I guess the way you could gauge SAO is that it is not as bad as the haters say it is, nor is it as good as the fanboys think it is.
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Kelthos wrote:


Alienshroom wrote:

People have overly discussed since the show ended what they dont like about it Kelthos. We should all be on the same page here. The show S%#&ing itself was, in a nutshell, all the crazy problems that you just agreed with for the most part taking place. I never actually stated my opinion on the show, but you labeled me against it because I admitted the show had problems. Regardless of what side of the fence your on, you cant deny the shows increasingly awkward moments as it progressed could turn quite a few people off.


Yeah, that's a fair enough point. But sticking to the topic of this thread, all you said was "The show S%#&ing itself" and that's kind of what the OP was talking about. Just baseless hating of the show with no reason provided.

That being said, it does appear I misinterpreted the tone in that post so I apologize.

It was not unreasonable for it to be taken that way. I just wanted to clear it up.
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No show is "the worst piece of shit ever."

No show is "the greatest masterpiece ever made."

These are all subjective claims. Enjoyment of a show is subjective. I liked SAO. Didn't love it. People who claim it is the best show ever and that everyone who doesn't like it must be haters are wrong. People who claim it is shit and that everyone who likes it must be mentally inferior are also wrong.

Some people like SAO, others don't. The end. Whether it is deserving of love or hatred does not matter. If you'd like to have a debate, always be civil, and keep in mind that not everyone thinks like you. If you cannot come to a consensus, respect other people's interests, and move on.

This is not hard. People just don't often take the time to think before they type something on the internet.

Anyways... SAO. Yeah. It gets hate because it's popular. If it wasn't so popular, people wouldn't care enough to get all uppity about it, I'm sure. But, since it has such a huge following, some people who did not like it feel like they have to point out its every flaw in order to defend their opinion of it. Likewise, some people who love the show think that because of its popularity, EVERYONE must love SAO. You'd be crazy not to, right?

And then these two groups of people work themselves up into a frenzy trying to fight each other over opinions, OPINIONS on an animated television show.

Oy vey.
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