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Posted 7/22/13 , edited 7/22/13

Thrazonn wrote:


Insomnist wrote:
I think SAO shotgunned itself in the feet a few too many times and wasted a lot of potential from an objective perspective, but I still enjoyed watching (most of) it. And even if I hadn't I wouldn't mind if someone else did. I might point and laugh sometimes, but it's in the same way that I would if I saw someone wearing a ridiculous hat; not to actually be mean.

Personally I tend to break down media like it's an old alarm clock or something and take a look at all the parts, so I can sound absurdly critical of even things that I kind of like. There are very few things, anime or otherwise, that I like enough to be blind to their faults. But I try not to inconvenience people with my tinkering (unless they like Code Geass).

>Likes SAO.
>Doesn't like Code Geass.

All I needed to know.

I apparently need to be even more obvious when I'm being facetious, but I frequently joke about my hatred of Code Geass because (almost) everyone else on the planet unconditionally loves it. I won't trash anyone for liking it, and I've had great conversations about it with people who do. But personally, I don't see anything special about it (until the final arc).

That has also given me a great perspective on the role of subjectivity in these discussions, though. Some people are simply blind to the appeal of specific shows, like I am about Code Geass. I cannot see what other people see in it. But I know they see something, and I respect that. In reverse, I don't expect everyone to like what I happen to like, either.

Although if this is what you were getting at, I will entertain that Code Geass had fewer objective faults than SAO.

And that SAO itself is certainly very, very far from being anywhere near faultless.
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My problem with Sword Art Online, if I ever note a problem, is that they leave the SAO game.. I liked it A LOT then.
I was never as interested in it once that was over, it should have been SAO game for the anime length till the conclusion episode or something, not move to a different game.

Just a personal problem for me, maybe I'm the only one.
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Sword art online is kinda like that one bad game that you can enjoy for what it is. People couldn't stand that it didn't meet their expectations after such a good first episode but that's because it was never gonna happen. If you get over the disappointment of the concept being crushed after the two first episodes then you'll be able to enjoy the action scenes until Alfheim begins. Don't bother watching the second season you won't have to go through some incestious love and virtual rape. Were it not for the hype it's sister series could've become more known. Accel world now that's the better anime of the two.
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I will try to make this short. The problem with SAO is that it is a harem anime, with its premise and setting, that is the SADDEST thing it could turn out to be, and yet that is what it is.
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SukitteJP wrote:

My problem with Sword Art Online, if I ever note a problem, is that they leave the SAO game.. I liked it A LOT then.
I was never as interested in it once that was over, it should have been SAO game for the anime length till the conclusion episode or something, not move to a different game.

Just a personal problem for me, maybe I'm the only one.


My wife and I wished they would have spent the whole time in SAO as well. The second world seemed like an added-on piece that wasn't needed. We still enjoyed watching it, but it would have been better if it spent all the time in SAO.
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iblessall wrote:


Thrazonn wrote:


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It's hard to believe that a series with that much heart has earned so much ire.


Thank you for finally nailing down something that's been bugging me for a while. Despite all its flaws, SAO had heart, centered around what is a, frankly, beautiful relationship between Kirito and Asuna. I haven't been able to say that myself, even though I think that is the main reason I like the show so much. Thanks for putting it out there.

Even the people who like SAO at least have the good grace to acknowledge that it is a show pretty much devoid of soul. And it most certainly earns top marks for having one of the worst romances in anything ever.

Evangelion "had heart", Kokoro Connect "had heart", fucking Twilight "had heart". SAO did not have anything remotely like the barest hint of a circulatory system, at least not one that science has yet discovered.


Your antagonistic and insulting tone aside, I respectfully disagree. And I never said it the romance was good. I said their relationship was. Thanks for the troll. Peace.

The romance wasn't good, but the "relationship" was...what...? I'm going to need to watch a few episodes of FLCL before that statement starts making sense to me.

Peace, not brussel sprouts.



eightcar wrote:


Thrazonn wrote:


iblessall wrote:


Balzack wrote:
It's hard to believe that a series with that much heart has earned so much ire.


Thank you for finally nailing down something that's been bugging me for a while. Despite all its flaws, SAO had heart, centered around what is a, frankly, beautiful relationship between Kirito and Asuna. I haven't been able to say that myself, even though I think that is the main reason I like the show so much. Thanks for putting it out there.

Even the people who like SAO at least have the good grace to acknowledge that it is a show pretty much devoid of soul. And it most certainly earns top marks for having one of the worst romances in anything ever.

Evangelion "had heart", Kokoro Connect "had heart", fucking Twilight "had heart". SAO did not have anything remotely like the barest hint of a circulatory system, at least not one that science has yet discovered.


DAMN! I busted on SAO above, but dude, even I didn't pile on hate like what I bolded above

Note: Twilight and its fans are a plague on humanity

A comparison of Twilight and SAO is appropriate, really, because they're both popular romances that suffer from similar problems, i.e. a complete lack of romance and chemistry. SAO has a bit more going for it, like impressive visuals and Yuki Kajiura turning in what is probably her worst score ever (AKA the music is just "great").

On the other hand, maybe I was being a touch unfair and going for the low-hanging fruit. I was trying to come up with something that quote had heart unquote and was also bad, since my other two examples were good (Kokoro Connect came out in the same season as SAO, too. I adored that show), but I may have over-reached. It also I think illustrates what a meaningless statement "having heart" is.

Oh, you know what had..."heart"? Yu-Gi-Oh! GX. That was actually not a terrible show.
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xxJing wrote:

I will try to make this short. The problem with SAO is that it is a harem anime, with its premise and setting, that is the SADDEST thing it could turn out to be, and yet that is what it is.


Because multiple girls falling in love with the same guy doesn't happen in real life or in other anime?

Or that, unlike the majority of other harem, the guy doesn't have feelings for any other girl other than Asuna?

Off the top of my head, TWGOK. Protag does something good for the girl, girl falls for the protag, protag only cares for his video games. Do people complain about harem problems? No.

Two people out of 10,000 players can't fall in love while being in a death game for 2 whole years? That some people can't be expected to accept their situation and choose to find some meaning in the game such as fishing?

You have AoT where, after the fall of Wall Maria, everyone becomes complacent of the titans before Big Red appears again in Trost. Then suddenly it's all "OMG TEH TITANS". Wasn't this about a 2-3 year timespan as well?




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Fun ride... bad anime when I look back. Now Pscyo-Pass fun ride and AMAZING anime wtih 20/20 hindsight. Some shows are only worth once around.
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FallenYmir wrote:


xxJing wrote:

I will try to make this short. The problem with SAO is that it is a harem anime, with its premise and setting, that is the SADDEST thing it could turn out to be, and yet that is what it is.


Because multiple girls falling in love with the same guy doesn't happen in real life or in other anime?

Or that, unlike the majority of other harem, the guy doesn't have feelings for any other girl other than Asuna?

Off the top of my head, TWGOK. Protag does something good for the girl, girl falls for the protag, protag only cares for his video games. Do people complain about harem problems? No.

Two people out of 10,000 players can't fall in love while being in a death game for 2 whole years? That some people can't be expected to accept their situation and choose to find some meaning in the game such as fishing?

You have AoT where, after the fall of Wall Maria, everyone becomes complacent of the titans before Big Red appears again in Trost. Then suddenly it's all "OMG TEH TITANS". Wasn't this about a 2-3 year timespan as well?




The bolded part is false. After the fall of Wall Maria it was said that the amount of recruits into the military sky rocketed. More people also looked up to the people in the Recon Corps. if you remember, in episode one, most people thought those who were in the Recon Corps were foolish and throwing their lives away for nothing. That all changed after they realized the titans were an actual threat. And btw, it was 5 years after Wall Maria fell that Trost was attacked.

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The parts that were quoted from me:

1) I'm not arrogantly saying I'm better than anyone else just that others are arrogant to think their opinions should be loudly heard. And secondly on this, being anti-critic = a critic with hurt feelings *insert crying face* but nothing else; a nitpicking critic = a possible anime, manga, book, movie, tv series, etc going un-noticed. In this way they really shouldn't be put on the same level.

2) Asuna is a weak character compared to who exactly? Compare her to several other females in various other anime/manga and I assure you while she is not a titan of females, she's also not a weak little flower that needs to be guarded at all times.

Go read/watch an actual harem then see SAO's "harem" and see if they actually match up. Even if you do give this the benefit of the doubt then what should the females do in response to being helped? Should they swear vengeance on him for helping them? The logical thing is that if you help ppl then ofc they're going to have a better opinion of you, and none of the females went into stalker mode over him they just had admiration of him.

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My roommate in college was studying engineering and I watched him go through his struggles for 5 years until graduation, listened to all the stuff he went through. Two of my cousins are engineers, one of them I'm very close to.

This show is an absolute INSULT to engineers. It is an insult to anyone working in the engineering field. That helmet is utterly and completely stupid. No device without a failsafe can be made in any country in the world. ESPECIALLY a device which is designed to EMIT MICROWAVE RADIATION that you put on your head.

Get a start right here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_ethics

That can take you to other places where you can read up on laws that prevent a stupid idiotic device from being invented or manufactured in the first place.

Even WORSE, microwaves emitted from that helmet WOULD NOT KILL YOU ANYWAY giving any rescuer enough time to simply pull the helmet off your head.

Read up folks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_burn

Some of the cases include an infant put into a microwave for SEVERAL MINUTES causing severe burns but NOT death of the child. And a technician next to a HIGH POWERED MICROWAVE ANTENNAE for 3 minutes which although caused him medical problems for years still failed to kill him.

What's especially bad is the author could have found this all out by asking simple questions online. This show is as laughably bad as The Core

We must, we must, we must expect better of those who expect to entertain us.
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The anime community is full of smart, passionate people. Obviously, this is mostly a fantastic thing; however, the downside is that when you stick a bunch of intelligent people together, it becomes breeding ground for pretentious douchebags. You see the same effect with the geek community in general. When you stick anime hipsters with fanboys/fangirls on the complete opposite side of the spectrum, those who blindly deny their favorite show could POSSIBLY have a flaw, madness naturally ensues.

Why is SAO getting hit so hard with vicious hate and blind love? Well, let's talk about the two groups separately.

Why the fangirls and fanboys are drawn to it: Say what you want about the anime's actual quality... it's literally the perfect gateway anime. The video game setting already draws a ton of interest by itself, not even to mention the fact that it is trying to be the best action/drama/romance/slice of life. Oh yeah, and just to top it off here's a harem of girls and an endlessly powerful male lead. It's got the perfect formula for popularity DOWN. Those first two episodes were immersive and built up so much potential... even most of the anime hipsters (me included) were like shit this is pretty good WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

Now, since I was so hyped about this show after the first two episodes and admit to being a shameless anime hipster at times, let me explain why I ended up hating SAO: At it's core it became a jack of all trades master of none show in my opinion. It was trying to be super dramatic and epic when it didn't have the substance to back it up. Then add the romance, which felt so incredibly forced and fake to me. It didn't have enough time to develop. I feel like the stellar world introduced at the beginning only results in more people hating on its imperfections. Despite all it's plot holes and quality issues, it still had a lot going for it and I would have probably enjoyed it if it weren't for one aspect...

The female characters. They got shafted so hard that it was almost offensive to me as a female anime fan. Asuna started off as such a promising character but then she got little to no development. It's not that Asuna herself is weak per se, it's that her most defining and emphasized characteristic is loving Kirito. Strong female character doesn't necessarily mean "yo I'm Mikasa/Revvy/Major/etc. and I'm here to KICK YOUR ASS." (though don't even get me started on how fab those three are) A strong female character has dimensions, personality-- is complex like, you know, any other normal human being would be. Anime is full of fantastic and diverse females--Faye Valentine, the Madoka Magica girls, both of the Nanas, OH MY GOOOSH THE TITAN LADIES, Senjougahara Hitgi, Haruko Haruhara, Baccono girls, Miyazaki women, Haruhi Fujioka, Chihaya Ayase, Saber from Fate/Zero ... need I go on? The other girls in SAO just seemed to be there so Kirito could check off each stereotype in his harem. That's just lazy writing. The entire reason I watch anime is for the loveable characters and I just can't find much to love about SAO characters, especially the women. :(

I'd say age has a lot to do with it as well--a younger me probably would have believed in the romance and not have minded the show's weaknesses. MORAL OF THE STORY: If you like SAO then awesome, just don't tell yourself it is flawless. If you hate SAO then awesome, just don't be a dick.
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FallenYmir wrote:


xxJing wrote:

I will try to make this short. The problem with SAO is that it is a harem anime, with its premise and setting, that is the SADDEST thing it could turn out to be, and yet that is what it is.


Because multiple girls falling in love with the same guy doesn't happen in real life or in other anime?

Or that, unlike the majority of other harem, the guy doesn't have feelings for any other girl other than Asuna?

Off the top of my head, TWGOK. Protag does something good for the girl, girl falls for the protag, protag only cares for his video games. Do people complain about harem problems? No.

Two people out of 10,000 players can't fall in love while being in a death game for 2 whole years? That some people can't be expected to accept their situation and choose to find some meaning in the game such as fishing?

You have AoT where, after the fall of Wall Maria, everyone becomes complacent of the titans before Big Red appears again in Trost. Then suddenly it's all "OMG TEH TITANS". Wasn't this about a 2-3 year timespan as well?






Because apparently when you write a story about getting trapped in an MMORPG, the most important thing is to write about how cool your protagonist is and how he gets every girl within his age group to fall head over heels for him.

So much could have happened in the plot but instead it turns into, 1. Girl falls in love with me for no reason, I let her die. 2. I ressurect a friggin hunter pet, girl falls in love with me. 3. I go on a quest, girl falls in love with me. 4. I take a nap in the park, girl falls in love with me. 5. I ignore my sister/cousin for the last 10 years, she falls in love with me. Did I miss any? Oh yeah, I win at PvP, 2 chicks with large tits fall in love with me.

Lovely plot isn't it?
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Besides the excellent soundtrack, SAO was a major letdown with some of the worst characters and cheesiest romance. Most of the fans of SAO I'm guessing are new to anime and have probably not yet expanded beyond shonen shows.

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thegirlanachronism wrote:

The anime community is full of smart, passionate people. Obviously, this is mostly a fantastic thing; however, the downside is that when you stick a bunch of intelligent people together, it becomes breeding ground for pretentious douchebags. You see the same effect with the geek community in general. When you stick anime hipsters with fanboys/fangirls on the complete opposite side of the spectrum, those who blindly deny their favorite show could POSSIBLY have a flaw, madness naturally ensues.

Why is SAO getting hit so hard with vicious hate and blind love? Well, let's talk about the two groups separately.

Why the fangirls and fanboys are drawn to it: Say what you want about the anime's actual quality... it's literally the perfect gateway anime. The video game setting already draws a ton of interest by itself, not even to mention the fact that it is trying to be the best action/drama/romance/slice of life. Oh yeah, and just to top it off here's a harem of girls and an endlessly powerful male lead. It's got the perfect formula for popularity DOWN. Those first two episodes were immersive and built up so much potential... even most of the anime hipsters (me included) were like shit this is pretty good WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG.

Now, since I was so hyped about this show after the first two episodes and admit to being a shameless anime hipster at times, let me explain why I ended up hating SAO: At it's core it became a jack of all trades master of none show in my opinion. It was trying to be super dramatic and epic when it didn't have the substance to back it up. Then add the romance, which felt so incredibly forced and fake to me. It didn't have enough time to develop. I feel like the stellar world introduced at the beginning only results in more people hating on its imperfections. Despite all it's plot holes and quality issues, it still had a lot going for it and I would have probably enjoyed it if it weren't for one aspect...

The female characters. They got shafted so hard that it was almost offensive to me as a female anime fan. Asuna started off as such a promising character but then she got little to no development. It's not that Asuna herself is weak per se, it's that her most defining and emphasized characteristic is loving Kirito. Strong female character doesn't necessarily mean "yo I'm Mikasa/Revvy/Major/etc. and I'm here to KICK YOUR ASS." (though don't even get me started on how fab those three are) A strong female character has dimensions, personality-- is complex like, you know, any other normal human being would be. Anime is full of fantastic and diverse females--Faye Valentine, the Madoka Magica girls, both of the Nanas, OH MY GOOOSH THE TITAN LADIES, Senjougahara Hitgi, Haruko Haruhara, Baccono girls, Miyazaki women, Haruhi Fujioka, Chihaya Ayase, Saber from Fate/Zero ... need I go on? The other girls in SAO just seemed to be there so Kirito could check off each stereotype in his harem. That's just lazy writing. The entire reason I watch anime is for the loveable characters and I just can't find much to love about SAO characters, especially the women. :(

I'd say age has a lot to do with it as well--a younger me probably would have believed in the romance and not have minded the show's weaknesses. MORAL OF THE STORY: If you like SAO then awesome, just don't tell yourself it is flawless. If you hate SAO then awesome, just don't be a dick.


Couldn't have said it better myself. Especially about the girls, my favorite female anime character is Chidori from FMP btw.

Although I did enjoy Agil and Klein, they were fun characters.
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