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It's hard to believe that a series with that much heart has earned so much ire.


Thank you for finally nailing down something that's been bugging me for a while. Despite all its flaws, SAO had heart, centered around what is a, frankly, beautiful relationship between Kirito and Asuna. I haven't been able to say that myself, even though I think that is the main reason I like the show so much. Thanks for putting it out there.


The relationship between those two was what ruined the whole thing for me. It just seemed like "Hey, I love you because you're the main character and let's just not question it ok?". I really liked the anime up until they got together. The world had so much promise (and I really liked the rules established within the world), and the action scenes were pretty stellar.

A romance just really did not fit, and it all happened very suddenly. It did bring up the rather interesting idea of whether it counts as a real relationship if it's just online, though they didn't really go into that.

Still, overall I'd say the series is worth watching, though maybe stop before the whole faries thing.
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I will try to make this short. The problem with SAO is that it is a harem anime, with its premise and setting, that is the SADDEST thing it could turn out to be, and yet that is what it is.


Because multiple girls falling in love with the same guy doesn't happen in real life or in other anime?

Or that, unlike the majority of other harem, the guy doesn't have feelings for any other girl other than Asuna?

Off the top of my head, TWGOK. Protag does something good for the girl, girl falls for the protag, protag only cares for his video games. Do people complain about harem problems? No.

Two people out of 10,000 players can't fall in love while being in a death game for 2 whole years? That some people can't be expected to accept their situation and choose to find some meaning in the game such as fishing?

You have AoT where, after the fall of Wall Maria, everyone becomes complacent of the titans before Big Red appears again in Trost. Then suddenly it's all "OMG TEH TITANS". Wasn't this about a 2-3 year timespan as well?

The bolded part is false. After the fall of Wall Maria it was said that the amount of recruits into the military sky rocketed. More people also looked up to the people in the Recon Corps. if you remember, in episode one, most people thought those who were in the Recon Corps were foolish and throwing their lives away for nothing. That all changed after they realized the titans were an actual threat. And btw, it was 5 years after Wall Maria fell that Trost was attacked.


From the manga? The anime doesn't mention an increase of recruits.

More people look up to the SC, sure, but it's only because they got some new skilled people in the ranks. The SC still lose 30%~ everytime they go outside the wall.

You also have the two lovebird recruits talk about how, with the improved cannons and with no problems in the 5 years since Maria, the Titans may not attack. Hell, you have Eren think about how humanity is regaining it's dignity and how they'll win/ that the counterattack has just begun at the end of the episode.
You'd imagine they would have something in place in the event that Big Red appears again. Five years of planning and all they could do was the minimum (or even less since after Big Red kicked the wall, the Titans could easily enter the town through the bridge erected for people to enter/exit).

And the fact that many in the Garrison would rather desert than defend Trost.


Tekrelious wrote:This show is an absolute INSULT to engineers. It is an insult to anyone working in the engineering field. That helmet is utterly and completely stupid. No device without a failsafe can be made in any country in the world. ESPECIALLY a device which is designed to EMIT MICROWAVE RADIATION that you put on your head.

Get a start right here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_ethics

That can take you to other places where you can read up on laws that prevent a stupid idiotic device from being invented or manufactured in the first place.

Even WORSE, microwaves emitted from that helmet WOULD NOT KILL YOU ANYWAY giving any rescuer enough time to simply pull the helmet off your head.

Read up folks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_burn

Some of the cases include an infant put into a microwave for SEVERAL MINUTES causing severe burns but NOT death of the child. And a technician next to a HIGH POWERED MICROWAVE ANTENNAE for 3 minutes which although caused him medical problems for years still failed to kill him.

What's especially bad is the author could have found this all out by asking simple questions online. This show is as laughably bad as The Core

We must, we must, we must expect better of those who expect to entertain us.


>Using Real Life Logic
>Anime. In the Future. With the developer of SAO being the same one to develop the Nerve Gear and it's workings.

I see who the real winner is.


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Because apparently when you write a story about getting trapped in an MMORPG, the most important thing is to write about how cool your protagonist is and how he gets every girl within his age group to fall head over heels for him.

So much could have happened in the plot but instead it turns into, 1. Girl falls in love with me for no reason, I let her die. 2. I ressurect a friggin hunter pet, girl falls in love with me. 3. I go on a quest, girl falls in love with me. 4. I take a nap in the park, girl falls in love with me. 5. I ignore my sister/cousin for the last 10 years, she falls in love with me. Did I miss any? Oh yeah, I win at PvP, 2 chicks with large tits fall in love with me.

Lovely plot isn't it?


Because having a story with plain vanilla protag is so much better, mirite? Kirito is written like a typical MMORPG player anyways.

1. Reassuring Sachi that she will get through the game without dying is now "no reason"? And the only reason that she died was because Kirito powerleveled the guild so that they didn't know the in's and out's of the game (such as the trap they triggered) and that he was overwhelmed when trying to save her.
There's a difference between letting someone die and trying and failing to save someone.

2. A pet that was her only true friend (aka not someone who only cares that you're a little girl/a healer). And Kirito only used her to get Titan's Hand to reveal themselves.

3. After saving her life and showing that he wasn't all just talk.

4. Asuna doesn't fall for him until after Gleam Eyes.

5. So he's basically a stranger to her. Makes it more believable than if he was more involved in her life and she still fell in love with him. Plus, once she accepts that his heart only belongs to Asuna, she moves on to Kirito.

6. After he shows off his amazing skills, sparing their fractions from the penalty that comes with losing their leaders.
You have people appreciating others for less, like having your game (SSBM) win a spot in EVO 2013 thanks to a stranger in Australia donating over $10,000.
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There will always be people who hate mainstream things. I don't like when people call any form of media (anything, actually) overrated because they state it as if it were fact. I don't believe something can be "overrated" because it's purely subjective. What one person may think is a good plot, or an interesting main character will be entirely different than another person's. If you hate a series, but see someone give it a 9/10 because they loved it, why does that make it "overrated"?

In conclusion; people hate mainstream.
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The person above me has it quite right except, Asuna basically noticed/fell in love in the scene when he was napping under the tree. Plus the person (xxJing) wrote: complaining about the so called harem aspect, needs to consider the time periods left off as the anime did skip a lot of material. Tekrelious first you used wiki as a reference and you are a so called engineer? You should lose all respect from anyone that has looked up to you and your statements are no longer valid at this point, but I digress to the point where the baby in a microwave is using the very lowest extent of what mircowaves can do. Plus it is an anime, and they did a very good job in the light novel and somewhat in the anime to explain how their bodies were transported and stayed alive basically. It is a matter of taste, I personally liked it as you can tell by my pic. The fighting was good, the story was good, I don't mind the harem because it wasn't like wow his hair looks nice I love him. All in All it won't be the best in world but it is a solid 8/10 min. to me.
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I liked and disliked SAO because of its execution and its characters. It was a good anime don't get me wrong...

But let me start off on why I DIDN'T like it and the flaws I found WHILE watching, not stuff I read afterwards.

1. Klein is the very first secondary character we see, and he's like that typical sidekick, kinda like Alibaba from Magi, and he looks like he's going to tag along Kirito for the series and be super important. Nope. He's never seen or mentioned for a while. That's a total error; WHY introduce such a character when you will never use him? He had so much going for him in the first episode with his personality alone! If he had tagged along I think he could've been a huge asset to the series instead of some canon fodder used only to make Kirito look good. My point is: never make promising characters if all you're gonna do is throw them to the side to let the MC shine brightest. They ALL could've been one amazing and immensely powerful Guild had the author allowed them any sort of development. While Kirito was important, it got irritating seeing... well, look below.

2. Kirito. Yeah, he's overpowered, that's not a lie because he's the hero, he HAS to be overpowered. But my issue with Kirito was the fact that only he was allowed ANYTHING. Oh, a power up is there? (random anime name), get out of here, I don't care if you got here first, it clearly belongs to Kirito. The anime made it out as if Kirito was the only player in the game who could do anything. Are you kidding? 10,000 players and only one single fourteen-year-old boy can save people and fight the enemies? It got irritating to only see Kirito do any sort of action and the fact that everyone depended on him solely was annoying. Clearly he isn't the only one with power; who are these other beta testers they mentioned episodes ago? I was anxiously waiting for SOME sort of beta tester to give Kirito a challenge, but they never came, and it was disappointing because in the beginning, they acted as if the betas were some sort of Holy Grail.

3. The female characters. "ERRMAHGERRDD HURREMZ." Yes, hurremz. But that's not why I got irritated with them. Asuna and ESPECIALLY the two women near the end of the series had strong intros. They seemed like they were all strong females and could do anything, but in the end all they ended up doing was make Kirito, once again, look good, get stronger and of course fall in love with him. Asuna's character was so disappointing, because I expected her to fight so much more than she did, but she fought onscreen twice, became a love-love character and was done with her role. Like Klein, she had so much going for her, and I wanted to know why she was so damn depressing in the beginning, but we never see that and overall she and all the other characters just had so much WASTED POTENTIAL.

I don't wanna talk about ALO because it sucked and I hardly paid attention to it.

Now what I LOVE about SAO.

1. Okay sure the beginning was great. Yes we know. However, the one thing I like is the fact that it does leave you wanting more. No matter the flaws and how shitty it seems, you WANT to see more. That is good writing, and I liked knowing that at any time Kirito could be killed despite all the crap he has shielding him. I FELT sad when the Black Cats got killed, I SMILED and felt GIDDY when Kirito and Asuna were together and being all lovey-dovey; because they surely deserved it. The series made me feel emotions, and that is a definite good thing.

2. The battles. Despite knowing he'd win every time, whenever Kirito got into a battle, it was awesome and captivated me. I knew he was going to win, but every time he was knocked down it was like a new plot twist. The animation and music combined with the feelings and cheering him on, it truly felt AoT-level epic.

3. Characters. Okay, yeah, cliche characters and like I said, wasted potential. But what we saw of the characters was great. The cast had all sorts of characters, from the imouto to the love interest to the goofy dude to the loli-imouto and so on. It had such great characters that you couldn't help but LIKE, and that's why I got angry when most were thrown away. Likable characters, and definitely a whole cast of likable characters was amazing, because usually I don't like a few or most in anime; in SAO, I liked everyone, and once again, that is GREAT writing.

Sure I have more gripes than praise for the show, but it is one hell of a show that anyone can like if they avoid thinking about it too much (like I did). It has its flaws and its epicness, moments that piss you off and others that make you laugh. SAO is a decent anime, not bad and not good; however that depends on the person watching. Personally, I don't like it as much as I initially did or should, same goes for other people, but it's watchable and I could rewatch it if I wanted to.

But hey! The new anime coming out, Log Horizon, is literally the same thing, so let's hope this one is a little better, huh?

In general, I think people criticize what they don't like a bit too much (like I do). But people can like and not like things just as much as you, sometimes you just don't agree with them.
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SAO was okay. It wasn't that great of an anime and it also wasn't that bad. I mean, it has an alright story and stuff, but I kinda feel that the writer for SAO has a really introverted view of humanity and how people would interact with each other in a prolonged crisis situation. I did enjoy the nice art and fan service.

The characters and setting were kinda wasted in this series though. A lot of stuff could have been done better. The pacing was really bad, but overall I enjoyed SAO. It was a fun watch and that's all it should be.
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Let's see, I liked SAO. It's a very fun series to watch, but you have to turn your brain off and get sucked in to it. If you have your brain on, and think about what's happening, the show will implode into itself and reveal itself as the (unfortunate) mess it is.

In terms of music and animation, the show does a very good job, thank you A-1 pictures and Yuki Kajiura. Story and Characters is where the problems kick in. Time skips, filler, pointless characters that show up for 1 episode, 95% of which are females who all fall in love with Kirito for little or no reason (in like 2 days unless I'm mistaking). Asuna doesn't develop, and is a plot device for the entire second half of the show, but I'll get back to that in a minute. Kirito has little to no personality, or development. He starts off as a "badass" and ends the same. The romance was rushed and crammed into 4 episodes I think? Just so Kirito has something to do in the second half, but again, I'll come back to that later. The story is heavily reliant on stupid deus ex machina every time something bad is about to happen.

So apart from the harem aspects, it's pretty much just a cheesy shounen anime set in a video game. Even with all that going against it, it's still fun. For the first half of the show, it can be watched like any shounen, gurren lagann, or any other cheese-tastic show you can think of, if you turn your brain off just like you should with most shounen anyways. Theeeennnnn, the second half happens. It becomes a completely different show. It's still enjoyable, but for different reasons than the first half. It's because it's duuummmmmbbbbb. The deus ex machina, girls falling for Kirito, and lack of character development are still there, just like the pretty animation and music. But the death penalty is gone, we get a little sister added just because, Asuna is Zelda, throw in a bit of tentacle action, a laughably dumb antagonist, then top it off with a happy, fairly satisfying, ending and you have yourself a show that splits the audience almost right down the middle.

I know there are people out there who hate it because it's popular. There are people who love it despite its flaws, or hate it despite what it does right. I'm smack dab in the middle. I like the show, but recognize how heavily flawed it is. It's still enjoyable, and I would recommend it to plenty of anime newbies, or someone who wants a fun time waster. But I'd advise against it if you're looking for a mature/thought provoking story, since you won't find it here. 5/10 since I'm being mean to the show, 6.5-7/10 in terms of enjoyment.
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I don't think negative criticism outweighs positive criticism. Both excessively positively and negatively biased individuals will exist when it comes to any subject out there. Seeing more negative comments is a matter of perception, there may just be more positive commentary elsewhere.

Looking at SAO as an example, since the OP used it; Yes there are a lot of people who throw unnecessary hate at SAO, but there are also plenty of people who worship SAO religiously when there really isn't any reason to. SAO was not nearly as good or bad as many people make it out to be. It's pretty balanced when it comes to it, with large communities of people who love or hate SAO. Depending on where you are, you may see more negative or positive reviews.

Also, why is this thread a SAO discussion thread? The OP asked about why 'hateful people' exist. SAO was just provided as an example.



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I liked and disliked SAO because of its execution and its characters. It was a good anime don't get me wrong...

But let me start off on why I DIDN'T like it and the flaws I found WHILE watching, not stuff I read afterwards.

1. Klein is the very first secondary character we see, and he's like that typical sidekick, kinda like Alibaba from Magi, and he looks like he's going to tag along Kirito for the series and be super important. Nope. He's never seen or mentioned for a while. That's a total error; WHY introduce such a character when you will never use him? He had so much going for him in the first episode with his personality alone! If he had tagged along I think he could've been a huge asset to the series instead of some canon fodder used only to make Kirito look good. My point is: never make promising characters if all you're gonna do is throw them to the side to let the MC shine brightest. They ALL could've been one amazing and immensely powerful Guild had the author allowed them any sort of development. While Kirito was important, it got irritating seeing... well, look below.

2. Kirito. Yeah, he's overpowered, that's not a lie because he's the hero, he HAS to be overpowered. But my issue with Kirito was the fact that only he was allowed ANYTHING. Oh, a power up is there? (random anime name), get out of here, I don't care if you got here first, it clearly belongs to Kirito. The anime made it out as if Kirito was the only player in the game who could do anything. Are you kidding? 10,000 players and only one single fourteen-year-old boy can save people and fight the enemies? It got irritating to only see Kirito do any sort of action and the fact that everyone depended on him solely was annoying. Clearly he isn't the only one with power; who are these other beta testers they mentioned episodes ago? I was anxiously waiting for SOME sort of beta tester to give Kirito a challenge, but they never came, and it was disappointing because in the beginning, they acted as if the betas were some sort of Holy Grail.

3. The female characters. "ERRMAHGERRDD HURREMZ." Yes, hurremz. But that's not why I got irritated with them. Asuna and ESPECIALLY the two women near the end of the series had strong intros. They seemed like they were all strong females and could do anything, but in the end all they ended up doing was make Kirito, once again, look good, get stronger and of course fall in love with him. Asuna's character was so disappointing, because I expected her to fight so much more than she did, but she fought onscreen twice, became a love-love character and was done with her role. Like Klein, she had so much going for her, and I wanted to know why she was so damn depressing in the beginning, but we never see that and overall she and all the other characters just had so much WASTED POTENTIAL.

I don't wanna talk about ALO because it sucked and I hardly paid attention to it.

Now what I LOVE about SAO.

1. Okay sure the beginning was great. Yes we know. However, the one thing I like is the fact that it does leave you wanting more. No matter the flaws and how shitty it seems, you WANT to see more. That is good writing, and I liked knowing that at any time Kirito could be killed despite all the crap he has shielding him. I FELT sad when the Black Cats got killed, I SMILED and felt GIDDY when Kirito and Asuna were together and being all lovey-dovey; because they surely deserved it. The series made me feel emotions, and that is a definite good thing.

2. The battles. Despite knowing he'd win every time, whenever Kirito got into a battle, it was awesome and captivated me. I knew he was going to win, but every time he was knocked down it was like a new plot twist. The animation and music combined with the feelings and cheering him on, it truly felt AoT-level epic.

3. Characters. Okay, yeah, cliche characters and like I said, wasted potential. But what we saw of the characters was great. The cast had all sorts of characters, from the imouto to the love interest to the goofy dude to the loli-imouto and so on. It had such great characters that you couldn't help but LIKE, and that's why I got angry when most were thrown away. Likable characters, and definitely a whole cast of likable characters was amazing, because usually I don't like a few or most in anime; in SAO, I liked everyone, and once again, that is GREAT writing.

Sure I have more gripes than praise for the show, but it is one hell of a show that anyone can like if they avoid thinking about it too much (like I did). It has its flaws and its epicness, moments that piss you off and others that make you laugh. SAO is a decent anime, not bad and not good; however that depends on the person watching. Personally, I don't like it as much as I initially did or should, same goes for other people, but it's watchable and I could rewatch it if I wanted to.

But hey! The new anime coming out, Log Horizon, is literally the same thing, so let's hope this one is a little better, huh?

In general, I think people criticize what they don't like a bit too much (like I do). But people can like and not like things just as much as you, sometimes you just don't agree with them.


1. I view Klein as Kamina, someone to reveal more of the main character's (Kirito) personality. How Kirito chose to abandon the first friend he made (unlike Klein who decided he couldn't abandon his friends) and the guilt he feels for his decision everytime they meet.
Plus, if he did decide to stay with Klein, he wouldn't have been able to defuse the growing resentment toward beta players that resulted from Diabel's death. Instead of the quick "I'll bear the burden of hate of all beta's" moment, it would have been an argument between pro/against betas.

2. Assuming what Kirito said was true, then most of the beta testers are noobs who sucked as bad as Klein did pre-Kirito tutorial. Hell, he even compliments the 1st floor clearing group as being better than them. That and the fact that he made it higher than any other player in the beta (The gap in experience between beta and regular players disappeared with the transition between Episode 2 and 3 having the clearing group go all the way to floor 40~ making the new group of players already better than the beta testers and both having the same pool of knowledge of the game at this point).
As for a rival, Diabel would have made a great one, had his greed and knowledge not blinded him (he knew about the Boss and the Last Attack Bonus feature) You could say he was the visual avatar of every other beta tester who thought the game would be the same as it was in the beta. The other known tester, Argo, focused more on being an information broker than playing the game.
As for Kirito's importance in fights, he only showed off on the 1st floor boss (when it was almost dead anyways) and the 74th (where he only did so after revealing his DB skill). I guess you can count the event boss too.
Every other time, it's been implied that he took part in the clearing party (and wasn't wellknown/stood out as Heathcliff or Asuna since he didn't use his DB skills). Hell, more people know Heathcliff than they do of Kirito (since Heathcliff solo'd the 25(or 50th?) floor boss alone)

You only think he's the one saving people but that's only because the story focuses on him playing around on the lower floors helping lower leveled people. Silica did fine when she wasn't going 3v1, Asuna did well against the secret Fish boss, Lisbeth, a blacksmith... went up against a boss monster (I don't know why you think she would do any better than a newbie would). Klein's group/bunch of mooks did fine getting through the 74 dungeon. Etc.

3. She didn't want the game to beat her? More specifically, that she wanted to take control of her own destiny and not have the game and the situation dictate her life?
That the source material showing her growth between floors 1-50 doesn't exist and that we're expected to take her current development as a result of joining and eventually commanding a guild (as vice-commander). Potential wasted? sure. Only because the alternative would be filler.
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1. I view Klein as Kamina, someone to reveal more of the main character's (Kirito) personality. How Kirito chose to abandon the first friend he made (unlike Klein who decided he couldn't abandon his friends) and the guilt he feels for his decision everytime they meet.
Plus, if he did decide to stay with Klein, he wouldn't have been able to defuse the growing resentment toward beta players that resulted from Diabel's death. Instead of the quick "I'll bear the burden of hate of all beta's" moment, it would have been an argument between pro/against betas.

2. Assuming what Kirito said was true, then most of the beta testers are noobs who sucked as bad as Klein did pre-Kirito tutorial. Hell, he even compliments the 1st floor clearing group as being better than them. That and the fact that he made it higher than any other player in the beta (The gap in experience between beta and regular players disappeared with the transition between Episode 2 and 3 having the clearing group go all the way to floor 40~ making the new group of players already better than the beta testers and both having the same pool of knowledge of the game at this point).
As for a rival, Diabel would have made a great one, had his greed and knowledge not blinded him (he knew about the Boss and the Last Attack Bonus feature) You could say he was the visual avatar of every other beta tester who thought the game would be the same as it was in the beta. The other known tester, Argo, focused more on being an information broker than playing the game.
As for Kirito's importance in fights, he only showed off on the 1st floor boss (when it was almost dead anyways) and the 74th (where he only did so after revealing his DB skill). I guess you can count the event boss too.
Every other time, it's been implied that he took part in the clearing party (and wasn't wellknown/stood out as Heathcliff or Asuna since he didn't use his DB skills). Hell, more people know Heathcliff than they do of Kirito (since Heathcliff solo'd the 25(or 50th?) floor boss alone)

You only think he's the one saving people but that's only because the story focuses on him playing around on the lower floors helping lower leveled people. Silica did fine when she wasn't going 3v1, Asuna did well against the secret Fish boss, Lisbeth, a blacksmith... went up against a boss monster (I don't know why you think she would do any better than a newbie would). Klein's group/bunch of mooks did fine getting through the 74 dungeon. Etc.

3. She didn't want the game to beat her? More specifically, that she wanted to take control of her own destiny and not have the game and the situation dictate her life?
That the source material showing her growth between floors 1-50 doesn't exist and that we're expected to take her current development as a result of joining and eventually commanding a guild (as vice-commander). Potential wasted? sure. Only because the alternative would be filler.

1. That's assuming Klein cared anything about betas; we don't know because he never gave his opinion (I haven't seen it in a while, so I might be wrong here). I'm guessing had Klein been told about Kirito being a "cheater" he wouldn't have resented him for it because he's the kind that wouldn't fuss over trivial stuff and still been his friend. Like you said he couldn't abandon his friends, and since Kirito was his first I doubt he'd turn his back on him. Shocked maybe, and he might have felt a little intimidated, but eventually I think he would've shoved that aside and accepted him for who he was and not his status.

2. I wouldn't say they're noobs; they did make that little book to help out the actual noobs in the beginning. If it was much help or not I don't know, but I'm going to guess it was seeing as you said the gap disappeared. But if they were pretty much normal players like Kirito said, why make it such a big deal and make them out to be so superior to everyone then? If Kirito knew they weren't entirely strong or important anyway, then there wouldn't have been a reason for him to "take on the hate for them" because even if they didn't, HE knew there was nothing to hate them for. It was just to make him look like a cool and aloof MC while adding some drama. Yes it was shocking and scary when Diabel died, but it wasn't Kirito's fault alone, because he figured the info out too late to react fast enough, just like everyone else who witnessed it - knowing the change in attack or not. And he was well known, as the Black Swordsman or whatever. Maybe not as much as Heathcliff (we all know now why he was revered so greatly), but people did know about him to an extent.

But the thing is, we never got to see much of anything happening unless it's Kirito doing it. Like when Asuna found the card in ALO and doing everything she did which was cool and enjoyable if you disregard the tentacle stuff, because for once someone other than Kirito got a chance to actually be useful, and that's my main problem with him. Sure he's the main character, but that doesn't mean he needs to do everything because he's the MC.

3. Yes I know; I said she had a strong start because of that, but then whittled down to become a plot device. Asuna's want to clear the game was definitely strong and she was a pretty powerful and independent character, until she falls in love with Kirito; that's when we see her slowly declining into a semi-useless character and needs to depend on Kirito for everything. Sure she stays physically strong, but as a character she ends up being... not so good. As for the others, I didn't mean Silica and Liz; I meant the two women from ALO whose names escape me. They looked exceptionally strong and knew what they were doing; but for some reason once Kirito joins in they become sacks of potatoes who can't do anything anymore until he needs help.
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these are some long-winded discussions..

the appeal lies in the question "have you played an mmo?" unless one has had experience with one, they're likely subjected to the mmo fans and try to deviate themselves from by stating their discontent and finding faults in a mediocre anime, vice-versa if you're a fan you either surrogate yourself to the plot of the anime and/or are subjected to the mmo genre. albeit i understand that some fans are objective when viewing anime, but this is how i view both radical sides



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3. Yes I know; I said she had a strong start because of that, but then whittled down to become a plot device. Asuna's want to clear the game was definitely strong and she was a pretty powerful and independent character, until she falls in love with Kirito; that's when we see her slowly declining into a semi-useless character and needs to depend on Kirito for everything. Sure she stays physically strong, but as a character she ends up being... not so good. As for the others, I didn't mean Silica and Liz; I meant the two women from ALO whose names escape me. They looked exceptionally strong and knew what they were doing; but for some reason once Kirito joins in they become sacks of potatoes who can't do anything anymore until he needs help.


I told myself that I wasn't going to post in this topic anymore, but I'm sick of the Asuna becoming a weak character thing.

Bolding this because it is important: Kirito would have FAILED to clear the game without Asuna.

I mean, c'mon folks, not only does she take the blow that would have killed Kirito the first time, but who's face does he see on the verge of dying? The face that gives him the power to do the impossible, cheat the system and finish the game. It's Asuna's. I would argue that, after they fall in love, Kirito becomes just as much, if not more dependent on Asuna as she is on him.

Obvious, I'm not talking about the second arc here.
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different strokes for different folks
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SAO isn't garbage or "whale diarrhea" but it sure as hell isn't a masterpiece.

Also, when you're talking about the 50/50 positive-negative ratio, the negative comments aren't even that negative. They're just pointing obvious flaws with the show, not declaring it as the worst anime ever made.

One of the reasons people vehemently voice their criticism of SAO is because of the "irrational" praise it gets from its die hard fans. Calling a show like SAO a masterpiece is almost like an insult because it's like saying Kim Kardashian deserves to win an Oscar (that comparison is a little too extreme, I know) for being the most mediocre person on the planet.

Criticism is essential in this type of media. I applaud the critics of SAO because really, all they're trying to do is shift the excessive amount of praise to a place that actually deserves it.
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I see anime more deeply flawed than SAO could ever dream of being get away completely unscathed, even amidst "irrational" praise.

So I don't know why people have a vendetta against the fan base, or why they deserve it whereas fanboys/girls of other anime are largely ignored or encouraged. God forbid they're allowed to gush about an anime they like with one another without being "put in their place" by the SAO hater brigade of internet heroes.
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