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So he ended up in the right place at the right time for once. Good for him.
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RoyalMoon wrote:

He's truly the hero we deserve, but are not ready for.


Hahahaha ah man that was good! Batman references for the win!
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Ugh, George Zimmerman just needs to go the hell away.... -_- It's just a story to make those who find him guilty for killing Treyvon sympathetic towards him. Well, it's not going to work with me. Especially since I think that the jury made a huge mistake in letting him go and that he should have at least been convicted of manslaughter.



I have to agree with this.

However I'm not all that sympathetic with the person he killed ether. Still, I am so damn sick of this and I've already moved on with my life. I'd say more but I don't feel like making more enemies in this place.
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Well good for him. I mean, it doesn't affect my life in any way, shape, or form, but good for him...
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You can't flim flam the zim zam.
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I think the "news" of him doing this is too convenient. It honestly sounds more like a setup than anything else. It's clear what the intentions of the news of him "saving" people is. They're basically trying to do damage control and try to paint him as a "hero" to earn people's sympathies. I for one don't buy it but Merry Christmas to him.
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Mysharonaa wrote:

The idea that criminals will help a stranger in need every time is just ridiculous. The probability of anyone at all helping one another is rare. The idea that someone who takes from other to help themselves, helping another, and possibly exposing himself to danger in the process is astronomically low. My point lost in this argument is that Zimmerman isn't the monster the media made him to be. Also, I don't think Trayvon would have helped.


Of course, you don't actually know. And Trayvon can't exactly answer for himself now, can he? The dead make easy targets.



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Posted 7/23/13 , edited 7/23/13

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"Good" people do bad things. He helped this family. That's great. Wonderful. A very noble deed. But it doesn't pardon him for killing a 17-year-old boy.

Real life doesn't work the way it does in anime. He's not "The Atoner" now going around doing good works to make up for his past. He hasn't faced what he's done yet.

This doesn't change my opinion of him at all. In fact, it makes me furious because now the media will paint him as a "hero" even though he got away with taking a teenager's life.

Real "heroes" don't run and hide from their mistakes.

What is wrong with our country?



Zimmerman called the police on the night of the shooting, was at the scene of the shooting when they arrived, cooperated with them fully,


Notwithstanding the period between when he called the police, and when he ignored the directive to stay in his damn car. If he had "cooperated" at that point, Trayvon would be alive and Zimmerman wouldn't be a pariah.


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As far as killing that 17-year old "boy", he has nothing to atone for. He protected himself from a violent attack,


An attack that he provoked. And an attack that I remain skeptical about the need for lethal force to end, given Zimmerman's history and the relative sizes of the two.

If Martin had been the one who pulled the trigger... his case for self-defense would have been at least as good (allegations of systemic racism in the court system notwithstanding.) And that's the true tragedy: both of them acted according to what the culture behind SYG taught them, and as a result we got a situation with no possibility for a good outcome.

I don't think Zimmerman was a villain. I think he's an overzealous idiot with a hero complex - so hearing he popped out of hiding to play hero again doesn't really surprise me, or change my impression of him. His motivation is understandable, maybe even noble; it's his judgement that I find lacking. The real question for me, is what's he going to do the next time he sees some kid he finds "suspicious looking" alone at night?


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and while Martin's death is unfortunate, I hope that from now on young men will think before punching strangers in the face and beating them on the sidewalk (even if they are creepy a** crackas).


Why? Martin had just as much right to stand his ground against a creepy-ass *stalker* as Zimmerman had to resort to lethal force once he started losing the fight.

The lesson here is "pack your own heat, because only the survivor's story counts."
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Why? Martin had just as much right to stand his ground against a creepy-ass *stalker* as Zimmerman had to resort to lethal force once he started losing the fight.

The lesson here is "pack your own heat, because only the survivor's story counts."


Being followed by a stranger is not legal or moral justification for assaulting them. In fact, ANY form of non-violent "provocation" is not legal or moral justification for assaulting someone. If someone follows you, calls you names, insults your family, spits on you, whatever...you don't have the right to respond by punching them in the head and beating them down on the sidewalk.

But if you do, your victim has the right to respond with deadly force. Hundreds of people are killed every year in the U.S. by an UNARMED assailant...here's the FBI data: http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_08.html, so the fact that Martin was using only "personal weapons" (the FBI term) is meaningless.

The attitude that if someone insults you or follows you or makes you uncomfortable you have the right to hit them is immature and thuggish. Unfortunately, that attitude is prevalent these days in a cross-section of young people of all races and backgrounds. Again, hopefully some will learn from this incident.

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Posted 7/23/13 , edited 7/23/13

Acoleth wrote:

Being followed by a stranger is not legal or moral justification for assaulting them. In fact, ANY form of non-violent "provocation" is not legal or moral justification for assaulting someone. If someone follows you, calls you names, insults your family, spits on you, whatever...you don't have the right to respond by punching them in the head and beating them down on the sidewalk.


From the very law cited by Zimmerman in his defense:
" However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

If you are stalking me, I have reasonable cause to believe it is for the purpose of committing a felony assault (or worse) based on what usually happens to people who are being stalked. By the letter of this law, I would therefore have legal justification to use force up to and including deadly force.

So yes, I do have the right to punch you in the head and beat you down on the sidewalk in that situation. I am obligated to stop if you withdraw from physical contact and clearly indicate a desire to withdraw and terminate the use of force; but in practice it's hard to tell when that's happening. And if you're dead, you can't contradict my claims that no such attempt was made.

Just like Trayvon couldn't contradict Zimmerman's claims about who initiated the assault.

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Posted 7/23/13
This sounds like a set up
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From the very law cited by Zimmerman in his defense:
" However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

If you are stalking me, I have reasonable cause to believe it is for the purpose of committing a felony assault (or worse) based on what usually happens to people who are being stalked. By the letter of this law, I would therefore have legal justification to use force up to and including deadly force.

So yes, I do have the right to punch you in the head and beat you down on the sidewalk in that situation. I am obligated to stop if you withdraw from physical contact and clearly indicate a desire to withdraw and terminate the use of force; but in practice it's hard to tell when that's happening. And if you're dead, you can't contradict my claims that no such attempt was made.

Just like Trayvon couldn't contradict Zimmerman's claims about who initiated the assault.


How can being followed by a stranger be provocation? THINK:

If you are walking down the street behind some one going in the same direction, do they have a right to use deadly force? NO


(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

^ So according to the law if Zimmerman believes Trayvon was breaking and entering in a neighborhood that had many break ins recently, then according to this he had the right skip over calling the police and simply use deadly force.

He was the neighbor watch; it was his duty to prevent damage to people and property.
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fav_blasian_girl wrote:

I think the "news" of him doing this is too convenient. It honestly sounds more like a setup than anything else. It's clear what the intentions of the news of him "saving" people is. They're basically trying to do damage control and try to paint him as a "hero" to earn people's sympathies. I for one don't buy it but Merry Christmas to him.


Sorry but that just sounds like a conspiracy theory. I mean the media was trying to paint it as a White man murdering a Black 12yr old at first with the old photos they used of Martin. It could easily be that Zimmerman is just a moron who wants to play hero, which lead to the confrontation resulting in Martin's death, but that same hero wannabe attitude that lead him to helping people in a crash.
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This whole story is just a little to convient for me.
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KaosProphet wrote:

From the very law cited by Zimmerman in his defense:
" However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if:

(1) He or she reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony;

If you are stalking me, I have reasonable cause to believe it is for the purpose of committing a felony assault (or worse) based on what usually happens to people who are being stalked. By the letter of this law, I would therefore have legal justification to use force up to and including deadly force.

So yes, I do have the right to punch you in the head and beat you down on the sidewalk in that situation. I am obligated to stop if you withdraw from physical contact and clearly indicate a desire to withdraw and terminate the use of force; but in practice it's hard to tell when that's happening. And if you're dead, you can't contradict my claims that no such attempt was made.

Just like Trayvon couldn't contradict Zimmerman's claims about who initiated the assault.


Your opinion reminds me of the character in Wagnaria!! who is so afraid of men that she attacks every one she sees. You see the words "reasonably believes..." in the law? Obviously it is not reasonable to punch everyone you think may be following you. That is insane, which is the opposite of reason.

George Zimmerman acted in self defense after a clear and painful assault. Trayvon Martin reacted like a paranoid thug to a "creepy ass cracka" and I pray to God you never apply your "logic" in real life and repeat his mistake.
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