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Posted 9/3/13
It seems incredibly likely that the Noah's Ark story, or more specifically, the one that is known today is false. There are several reasons for one to believe this. One being the original language is not used today, regardless of what language, modern versions of even old languages are almost different languages entirely. Even in the modern day translating information, be it facts or fictional stories, is not and cannot be exactly correct; things tend to get lost in the translation. The tale of Noah's Ark is in the book of Genesis in the Old Testament of the Christian Bible. Language changes, grows, adapts and develops very rapidly in both spoken and written forms. Take English for example, if one were to hear the English of people say in the time of Shakespeare one would not be able to fully understand what they're hearing. The story of Noah's Ark, regardless of which language it originated because there is some debate over that, was not first told in any modern form of any language, yet it is constantly translated and has been countless times allowing for several discrepancies. During the Dark Ages, the general population was incredibly ignorant, so it stands to reason that only those of nobility or incredible wealth would be both intelligent and influential enough to translate really anything adequately. However people with power and authority often have ulterior motives, whether said motives are good or bad they have an effect on the said person's actions. Couple that with the progression of languages and one comes to the conclusion that no stories from human history can be taken literally or figuratively for that matter. Noah's Ark falls into this category of historical stories.
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Which is more believable--the Noah's Ark story or Jacob wrestling with God (to a draw) all night with no breaks?
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justapersonwatchinganime wrote:

Which version of the Bible do you believe in kirika? In at least some of them, it is said that there are things that god cannot do.


I read the King James Bible and you're partly right. God has a set of rules that He created and He has to follow them...like for example: the only way to make possible our salvation was by sacrificing himself, there was no other way because that's how he said he would do it. We have to go through the tribulation first before He comes to judge, that's a rule and He can't break it. It's not that He can't do it, He just does what He says "It is written" so it will happen that way.

That's how I understand it, I'd like to know your input about it? it is weird for me and I don't know what's the point of all it?? but in the end, I'm just a another piece of clay, not the potter.
Posted 9/18/13 , edited 9/18/13
Also making a ship longer than a hundred meters of wood, is an almost impossible task.
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Posted 9/18/13 , edited 9/18/13

DatDanimexican wrote:

Also making a ship longer than a hundred meters of wood, is an almost impossible task.


I dunno about that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_wooden_ships
Posted 9/18/13 , edited 9/20/13

Syndicaidramon wrote:


DatDanimexican wrote:

Also making a ship longer than a hundred meters of wood, is an almost impossible task.


I dunno about that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_longest_wooden_ships


Those should be taken with a grain of salt, since they only list the highest estimate and most of the ships that do reach are steel reinforced.

For example, with the Caligula's giant ship they only list the highest estimate, but the most of accepted estimates go around 70 meters or so.
Some of the ships have their jibboom included, so some of the numbers are a little skewed, also look at what it says besides HMS Orlando and HMS Mersey:

These British warships were pushing the limits of what was possible in wooden ship construction and suffered structural problems.

They were around 102 meters long.

Don't take any of this personal if you think my language seems a bit harsh.
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Posted 9/19/13
Ships that can carry all living things in pairs which includes dinosaurs...?!
Human living with dinosaurs...?!

Obviously fiction.
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Poor examples!
The titanic was based on the ark.
when the volcano erupts, Eeyore tells Dicaprio to leave the ship and return when he finds a sample of the environment to reproduce as camouflage so that the humans don't kill all the giant robots.
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Posted 9/20/13 , edited 9/20/13
Like much of the Bible, the Noah story - although ancient - has its origins in much older tales and mythology.
Many, many cultures have flood myths. The Greeks, the Mesopotamians, Hindus and others all have tales which are broadly similar to the Noah story, some of which precede it by centuries .
Just as Egyptian mythology and pagan deities such as Mithra influenced the Jesus story, so it was was the Noah narrative. Humans are 'storytelling animals' and the idea of a catastrophic flood was a very potent one for early cultures, given their dependence on bodies of water, whether oceans, rivers or lakes. Remember that early civilizations were, more often than not, built on the shores of rivers, so the very real threat of breaking banks and flooding was never far from peoples minds.

The bigger mystery is why we're still discussing Noah's Ark as if it could ever, realistically, have been a matter of historical record. Two of every animal? On a wooden boat? And remember Creationists, if you deny the fact of evolution, you'd have to have all the dinosaurs aboard too. I'd hate to have been the guy who had to clean up after that lot. Enough to make anyone an atheist, I'd imagine. :)
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