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Only talking about male-oriented fan service here, because it's the type that is most annoys me/is disliked by me and because it is the most prevalent by far.

The lack of fan service in an anime usually (not always) indicates a higher quality anime. Using fan service, in my opinion, is a cowardly way of trying to shore up a moment (or show) of bad writing. If all the imagination the writers have to make their show interesting is to resort the bouncing chests or panty shots or ridiculous cleavage, etc., well, that doesn't speak very highly of the show. Obviously, this isn't a blanket statement, but I'd say about 90% of the time it is accurate.

Short version, I'd prefer no fan service of the sexual type (female or male) in my anime.
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Well, it's pretty annoying when random panty shots etc are just scattered throughout a scene where they're completely irrelevant, and just distract you from what's actually going on.
I don't care if the female characters are attractive or have big boobs or whatever, but there's a reason some people think hentai and anime are one in the same, and it's hard to defend a series like High School of the Dead, where they take it to such a ridiculous level.

In terms of fanservice with mech battles and such, I don't even think that really counts. In an action orientated anime, it makes sense to have action scenes.

If I want porn, I'll go watch porn.
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Fanservice is good, well, in the end it depends on personal opinion and likes. There is those like me, who doesn't mind it - and doesn't really watch a show just for it, and those who utterly cant stand it and stay away from such shows. And then we have those who are all-in for it. :)

What I am trying to say is, if you like it - sure why not
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For me it depends. If an anime or manga is solely focused on it, then it gets in the way. Otherwise, it's all opinionated I guess but for me, it still depends on how it's executed.

Also in terms of fan service, I find it fun to watch once and awhile but sometimes also a waste of time. So really, it depends for me in terms of whether it's good or 'bad'.
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If your fan is broken its easy to buy a new one at the store instead of an expensive repair.Actually AC is better.XD
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It has some negatives and it has some positives but one show that really annoyed me with male fanservice was Highschool of the Dead because while it was really well made and nicely done, there was too much cleavage shown and after episode 7 I couldnt really take it any more
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Well let me put it this way, who doesn't want to see there favorite Anime girls in a Swimsuit?
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It turns women into objects and makes them seem like the sole purpose of the female character being in the anime is to be sexualized for men watching the show; many of the characters are underage as well.
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depends on how it's used.. the anime can't rely on sole fan service too be in the show it has too show a good story and w/e else they want to add in it like adventure and action slice of life and stuff.. a good example of a show with fan service but works it out in harmony with the story is Highschool dxd and rosario vampire... only boring shows solely use fanservice too support the show and poorly use any themes like queens blade..
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iblessall wrote:

Only talking about male-oriented fan service here, because it's the type that is most annoys me/is disliked by me and because it is the most prevalent by far.

The lack of fan service in an anime usually (not always) indicates a higher quality anime. Using fan service, in my opinion, is a cowardly way of trying to shore up a moment (or show) of bad writing. If all the imagination the writers have to make their show interesting is to resort the bouncing chests or panty shots or ridiculous cleavage, etc., well, that doesn't speak very highly of the show. Obviously, this isn't a blanket statement, but I'd say about 90% of the time it is accurate.

Short version, I'd prefer no fan service of the sexual type (female or male) in my anime.


Agreed. Given that many anime are based off of visual novels and manga, its quite clear there is a lack of creativity in the writing department for anime. Companies want to make sure they get their money's worth, so they seek out popular comics. In essence, the anime industry is allowing themselves to be dictated by two markets: comics/manga and visual novels. The only time they take a step out of line is when... oh wait, they still stay in line: they appeal to a sub-culture / people-base they think will bite.

Take, for example, Tamako's Market. I've only seen one episode of the show (the free one). It has a moe girl, an original story (er, based on Romeo and Juliet as far as I'm told), and the potential support of KyoAni's fanbase who just loves their art. The anime isn't a treasure, and given early reviews, it's not likely I'll spend real money on it. But alas, some people will because that's where the money is.

Basically, it seems the Japs are scared. They want to ensure that their investment has a guaranteed return. Hence, one thing they fear greatly is piracy. Therefore, it makes sense to appeal to people who they KNOW will bite - including those young males who like to look at panties and cleavage.

The odd part is, some of the fan-service is so half-ass (pun intended), you wonder why they even bother. I mean really? Some characters aren't even PRETTY enough for the fan-service, so why the heck is it there?

Thank God Miyazaki characters aren't sexually appealing (at least not in my opinion) - it keeps the story rolling.



Richybabes wrote:If I want porn, I'll go watch porn.


This.

It'd be nice if two competing markets emerged: one for hentai and one for good, legit story stuff. Companies in the latter market wouldn't try to compete with those in the former or if they did they would have to go-all-out, making the anime pretty much out-of-the-zone of the other market I'd be watching (and thus I could avoid it). That way, there would be a market you could guarantee had clean, "fanservice"-free content with (as someone pointed out) the likelihood of a GOOD story.


Fanimusmaximus wrote:

Well let me put it this way, who doesn't want to see there favorite Anime girls in a Swimsuit?


If I want that, I can browse Pixiv or buy a figurine from Good Smile Company. I can almost guarantee you one of those two will have what you're looking for.
Oh, you meant original character appearance? There's side products for that. That kind of stuff doesn't have to be inserted directly into the show. It can be sold as posters, art books, bonus episodes, etc.

I did appreciate the fact that in "A Certain Scientific Railgun", episode 13 was devoted entirely to fanservice and therefore completely skippable without missing any of the story. The episode TITLE even gives it away.
I did not feel it necessary to put spoiler tags around that since I didn't give away any of the story directly.


------- Continuing on...

I recall reading on dannychoo.com Danny raving about how the porn was censored from his show Culture Japan when it was passed throughout the internet. Obviously, he thinks most people share his opinion about wanting such content. As much as I like him, he's being completely naive. However, it does bring up a point: Some people like having it all in a box. Let me explain:

From an economic standpoint, it makes sense to include everything people like in a single anime (if they can). Thus, including action, mystery, romance, provocative scenes, rough villains, sci-fi elements, and fantasy all seem like they would make a great anime. If you think carefully, you might notice that I just described Sword Art Online (among other anime). And how many people here like that show? While we all don't like it for the same reasons, it has alittle of everything to draw a ton of people. The show, despite the cries of "this sucks", has been successful from the standpoint of the producer because it is quite likely it will sell very well on the market.

Anime that have also taken such a combo of elements without the provocative scenes have also been successful, but they are dependent on a good story. Trigun for example. Vash might not be the cleanest character, but there weren't any provocative scenes in the show. There WAS "fanservice" if that's what you want to call the awesome gun-slinging, but I don't suppose most people think of that when they think of "fanservice".


What about the business guy?
While I'd like to have two markets emerge, as I mentioned above, since I don't think the "fanservice" market is going away, I do note that companies need some way of ensuring their profits. They need to know their investment will return something. I do believe some of them are actually shooting themselves in the foot by making cheap let's-appeal-to-sex anime. Who wants to see a poorly drawn highschooler even if she is half-naked?

Going along with what I noted about the Japanese above (they want a return), it's no surprise that they are the kind of people who "go with the devil they know" rather than try something new. Hence, they will react proposals for changing their business direction with the greatest zeal... of a static snail.

Thus, it isn't just a question of whether or not their should be fanservice but whether the anime companies themselves have another way of guaranteeing a profit.

Any suggestions?


Sorry this post was so dang long. Next time I think I'll just write a blog article and post the link here. lol
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Posted 7/24/13

Basically, it seems the Japs are scared.


(You do know that term is incredibly racist, right?)

*shrugs* Fanservice has been a part of anime / manga for ages. As long as it does not completely derail a show (e.g. Ikkitousen), I have no issues with it.
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Posted 7/24/13 , edited 7/24/13
Fan Service is something that needs to enhance the story for it to be good. Random shots of girls in their undies takes away from the story if they are not needed, even for comedy purposes. In general, I am not a fan of, well, Fan Service. Are there any exceptions? Sure. Ro-kyu-bu was pretty good, as was Bridge to the Starry Skies, Photo Kano, and Infinite Stratos. Be smart about it, and I won't mind.

By the way Hoshino, I get the feeling you did extensive research on the topic. You could publish a book or something. The awesome part is is that you're right. The problem is is that businesses want to make money. There is a saying that I like using: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." If Fan Service was no longer profitable, then it would vanish from the market. While fear is a part of why Fan Service is used, I don't think it is the only reason.
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Posted 7/24/13
Has no one made the "fanservice = plot = a good thing" joke yet? I don't know if I should be disappointed or pleasantly surprised lol
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Posted 7/24/13
not really if you like to see anime girls parts
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Posted 7/24/13
Fan service: there is a time and a place. Middle school kids, not the place. Yes, animation has been an outlet for the taboo for a long time, but when you draw what looks to me like a post-highschool person, nd put them in sexual scenarios, only to have the story e that they are a middle schooler? That draws an awful line. There are shows that I know my wife would like, if it weren't for the underage fan service in them. (My wife being a teacher, she is extra sensative to this).
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