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I think criminal A should serve less time. To hell with laws, if you have to resort to steal for keeping your family fed, and alive for that matter, he shouldn't be punished for that.
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There was a federal law that covered rape (and many other violent acts against women), but it was removed by the supreme court back in the 90s.


Women aren't the only people who are raped.
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You know, this question reminds me of another dilemma.

You have control of a switch to a rail junction. A speeding train is coming in but you notice that there are people on the track on both sides. If you don't push the button the train will end up killing someone you love very dearly (Wife, Girlfriend, Mother and such). However you can save them by pushing the button and switching the lanes the train will speed along, but on the other side are 20 people you know nothing about. Would you save the one you love over the many that you do not?
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They should both serve the same time.

Because sometimes people do things like drug trafficking or human trafficking for the sake of upholding a certain living standards for their family too... therefore this sort of logic that Criminal A should serve less time creates a loophole. It shouldn't matter the reasons behind why a person committed a crime, it is still a crime.
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mhibicke wrote:


Wadce wrote:
There was a federal law that covered rape (and many other violent acts against women), but it was removed by the supreme court back in the 90s.


Women aren't the only people who are raped.


If you want to have a discussion about rape laws and their evolution through the nineties into sexual assault, then by all means, make a thread for it. This thread has been derailed enough by this side conversation.

On topic though, if we shouldn't differentiate penalties based on reason, how come we have so many different degrees of murder? Should someone who killed someone accidentally get the same punishment as someone who calculated out, planned, and executed a murder?

*Edit* (I hate quoting wikipedia, but. . . ) Manslaughter is a legal term for the killing of a human being, in a manner considered by law as less culpable than murder. . . (it goes on to say) The law generally differentiates between levels of criminal culpability based on the mens rea, or state of mind; or the circumstances under which the killing occurred (mitigating factors).

I understand the argument that crime should be taken equally because it is the law. But on a the larger scale when it comes down to something that might be worth a death penalty, the circumstances have to be taken into consideration. Else wise the people giving the judgement deserve the same fate as the judged.
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Sogno- wrote:

If you took the quiz linked on the "Dating Persona" thread then this question will look familiar to you:

"Two thieves are arrested for identical crimes. Criminal A stole for his hungry family. Criminal B stole for himself. Should Criminal A serve less time?"

I said they should serve the same time because, regardless of reasons behind the act, stealing is stealing.

What do you think?


I believe that motive matters. After all, that's why we excuse a man for killing in self defense or in defense of others. If it applies to homicide, why shouldn't it apply to theft as well?

I would also say, though, that the question of whether or not either party first attempted more legitimate means of meeting their needs is also relevant. I support the concept of judicial discretion in sentencing because no mere law-book can realistically account for every mitigating circumstance.
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Depends on the situation, if there is a natural disaster such as a tsunami or earthquake
looting food should be more lenient

during the earthquake in Chile, there was an old lady who would not steal food to save her life, everyone pleaded with her to take food but refused. In this situation think there should be leniency

we created laws for the better of the society, mankind. If that law impedes with our survival than it is an unjust law.

"One may well ask, 'How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?' The answer is found in the fact that there are two types of laws: there are just laws, and there are unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that 'An unjust law is no law at all.'" - Martin Luther King Jr. Letters From Birmingham Jail
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They should serve the same time. They both took something away from someone else, causing misfortune for that person and committing a wrongful act.
Of course, if I were A and had no other way I'd possibly do it too, but that doesn't mean I should get less time than the selfish guy.
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why am i crying for no reason?
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Law is law but sentencing is negotiable.
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It depends if it is a nice jail and if his whole family can go too, to get fed and roofed. There are some really nice prisons, you know.
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In fairness of society. If you commit the same crime, then you should spend the same time. The means should be irrelevant to the final judgement, otherwise you create loopholes in the law. (Example :: people pleading insanity :: Remember James Holmes?)

Lesson of the day :: If you're going to do something illegal, don't fxcking get caught. Less you wanna end up like my friend lester over here.

http://blip.tv/matsalleh/punishment-in-iran-453987

NSFW OR FOR THE FAINT OF HEART.
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volataire wrote:

Just burn them at the steak and be done with it!


just make it medium rare, k


minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:

It depends if it is a nice jail and if his whole family can go too, to get fed and roofed. There are some really nice prisons, you know.


hmm I hadn't thought of that, maybe I should commit a crime. Do student loans have to be paid while in prison? Or does the interest accrue while serving time? If so I'd rather they just execute me
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Sogno- wrote:


volataire wrote:

Just burn them at the steak and be done with it!


just make it medium rare, k


minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:

It depends if it is a nice jail and if his whole family can go too, to get fed and roofed. There are some really nice prisons, you know.


hmm I hadn't thought of that, maybe I should commit a crime. Do student loans have to be paid while in prison? Or does the interest accrue while serving time? If so I'd rather they just execute me


I'm not sure...
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Sogno- wrote:


volataire wrote:

Just burn them at the steak and be done with it!


just make it medium rare, k


minatothegreatjiraiya wrote:

It depends if it is a nice jail and if his whole family can go too, to get fed and roofed. There are some really nice prisons, you know.


hmm I hadn't thought of that, maybe I should commit a crime. Do student loans have to be paid while in prison? Or does the interest accrue while serving time? If so I'd rather they just execute me


I second that. I have debt from two degrees.

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