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What do you think is the next fuel after gas?
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Posted 1/27/08

junglemummy wrote:

I believe that in the future, cars will run on something yet to be discovered, and the person who invents it is either still in primary school or yet to be born. It will be an idea that comes as a complete surprise. I can be fairly confident about this, because over the last 50 years or so i have watched how things seem to be invented just as they are needed eg the internet (it would have been unthinkable when I was a kid), and it was really necessary as a new type of communication.



If Hydrogen fuel cells get perfected, the possible step is Deuterium (Hydrogen-2). It's used for some sort of nuclear fusion and some other things so it will definitely take forever to utilize the energy that comes from it. Maybe, in the future, It can be used for power stations where plug-in electric cars will go to "gas up." Besides, being that it's also known as Heavy Hydrogen, I suspect it'll be a pain in the ass to pump it from the bottom of the ocean. Who knows really... I'll be dead before any of this happens. I'll just enjoy my gas-guzzler.
Posted 1/27/08
HydroClearLiquid is the next fuel after gas.

Posted 1/27/08
energy cars? hahaha i dont know.. i thought about it when i was a kid. == but its like put a plug in the car to recharge it .. like a battery..... hahaha
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junglemummy wrote:

By "gas" do you mean petrol, or LPG? LPG supplies will probably last longer than petrol, but I don't want to get my car converted because a lot of them have exploded.

If you mean petrol, I use 5 or 10% ethanol petrol, which is cheaper, and if everyone used it, it would give us more time to research viable alternatives to petrol. Is ethanol enhanced fuel the same as "biodiesel" which everyone in the above posts is talking about, and which i have never heard of?

I believe that in the future, cars will run on something yet to be discovered, and the person who invents it is either still in primary school or yet to be born. It will be an idea that comes as a complete surprise. I can be fairly confident about this, because over the last 50 years or so i have watched how things seem to be invented just as they are needed eg the internet (it would have been unthinkable when I was a kid), and it was really necessary as a new type of communication.

Whatever happens, perhaps we are looking at things from the wrong perspective - many people believe there is climate change due to fossil fuels. Running out of these fuels may in some ways be a blessing in disguise. People will find alternative fuels. My major concern about running out of them is that we will no longer be able to produce plastic. perhaps we should be saving the fossil fuels for this instead of burning them. Future generations will shake their heads in disbelief at what previous generations have wasted.


the thing is with ethanol is that not many places sell that stuff, and it's the same price as petrol. i live in vancouver btw, so yeah.
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hydrogen

salt water (they recently discovered if you put some radioactive waves in salt water it burns and creates sufficient energy to have some use)
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^reported. Some people are trying to have an intelligent discussion here.
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theres talk of a new hydrogen based fuel...
but with the hydrogen bomb, it makes me feel uneasy about there being a car based on the same atoms and whatnot.
its like you'd be driving a bomb,
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Etenol
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water
Posted 1/28/08

AWDfreak wrote:
Biodiesel also comes from used cooking oil (I think)

Like I said before, we can't use electricity anytime soon. It's just that most of the world's power plants don't generate electricity cleanly.
C'mon, give (bio)diesel a chance, it's much cleaner than petrol.....


biodiesel only works for diesel engines.. lol I saw that episode of top gear
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henz_lan wrote:

The reasons the others solutions are bad ideas;

Hydrogen - Basically it takes a lot more power to manufacture and compress the hydrogen, and then I wouldn't trust it, consider that you're giving one of the most explosive and fissile materials in the universe to everyone from the age of 16 up (in some places, of course it varies).

Basically there is no sensible way to keep your car, until effective batteries come onto the market at a sensible price. I hate to break the news to you, but - learn to walk again!

P.S. Yes, I am an environmentalist.



I'm not too educated on this subject, but if a carbon-free efficient method is found to produce hydrogen then problem solved apparently, as for now Hydrogen can be produced with electrolysis, powered by a nuclear, solar, or biofueled power plant. Hydrogen isn't no more explosive than normal jet fuel. As a matter of fact a new liquid hydrogen-burning hypersonic airliner is being developed, with the ability to travel around Mach 5!, This particular jet would produce only water vapor and a little nitrous oxide, I can't confirm it but I've seen on youtube a supposed method of producing hydrogen with special pellets that are placed in water and cause Hydrogen gas to bubble up, thus making it useful, I'm not sure how the pellets are produced and whether carbon is a factor in this process.

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i heard there going to use corn and there's this car that uses water vapor
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Your_Typical_Friend wrote:

i say wind power becuz its unlimited. also water becuz theres so much around us.


actually......there's not that much water.......well there might be..but i would say maybe a car that runs on polluted water and there's this machine that purifies the water so it's drinkable or something..or just making it clean iuno
Posted 1/29/08

a1q2s3 wrote:

I'm not too educated on this subject, but if a carbon-free efficient method is found to produce hydrogen then problem solved apparently, as for now Hydrogen can be produced with electrolysis, powered by a nuclear, solar, or biofueled power plant. Hydrogen isn't no more explosive than normal jet fuel. As a matter of fact a new liquid hydrogen-burning hypersonic airliner is being developed, with the ability to travel around Mach 5!, This particular jet would produce only water vapor and a little nitrous oxide, I can't confirm it but I've seen on youtube a supposed method of producing hydrogen with special pellets that are placed in water and cause Hydrogen gas to bubble up, thus making it useful, I'm not sure how the pellets are produced and whether carbon is a factor in this process.



If you mix hydrogen with oxygen, 60% : 40% the resulting mixture combusts spontaneously and explosively (it only produces water, yes, but it is also exceedingly dangerous - imagine the "pop test" on an industrial scale with pressurised cylinders). The same is not true for other fuels unless (like diesel) they are put under pressure in a motor.

At every stage of the process of changing energy from one form to another there is a loss, so therefore converting electricity to hydrogen fuel is wasteful, no matter how efficient the hydrogen is, using the electricity straight off would be more efficient.

I don't doubt that a hydrogen powered plane is being produced, however let us assume that the energy comes from a biofuel power plant - therefore a 30% reduction in CO2 in the US, the energy is then transferred to a hydrogen compound, resulting in an energy loss, lets say 30%, so you have to use 30% more fuel. This means you produce exactly the same amount of CO2 as using the fuel used to create and process the biofuels straight off.

N.B. Electrolysis is an expensive, energy consuming (consider the voltages used industrially) and material consuming (consider the action at the other electrode).

@ kittAr0: Hydrogen fuel is not the same as the hydrogen bomb - combustion and nuclear reactions are very different processes. By the way, Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, so why do you dare stay alive?

As regards nuclear power; thyroid cancer anyone? or how about radiation poisoning? or early hair loss?
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solar powered cells/electric
water ( i feel sorry for the guy who discovered it )
wonder when will it become nuke

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