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suikojay wrote:

They really need to disable the ability to vote until a series is done.


and add a like button for forum posts XD
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I never really trusted MAL, but I lost any little thread of faith after seeing that.
Seriously?
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Score: 7.31(scored by 461 users)
Ranked: #1972
Popularity: #3811
Members: 1,375
Favorites: 17


At least my favorite did better than Nisemonogatari so that makes me happy. This is also very surprising since it had no subs until last year,virtually unknown outside of Japan and its old as hell
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irtiza9169 wrote:

I don't take MAL scores seriously, nor will I ever. I think sales figures paint a more accurate representation of how well an anime is perceived towards a general audience.
Not for long running anime that rely on ratings. Sazea san is 20 x popular than most if not all anime that come out now but doesn't release any episodes for home release.. That would only work for short 13 episode anime and only certain types sell a lot so in a way it's less reliable.


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+1

majority of MAL's scores is subjective, i know some that prefer to use ANN to check on certain animes.

a large sample is not necessarily a good sample
All scores are subjective.


OT: Fate/Zero, Fairy Tail, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, GTO, Maburaho, Kara no Kyoukai, Mahou Shoujo Madoka, Kuroko no Basket, and the list goes on and on. I don't really take the ratings too seriously though, they are dependent on a lot of things, it's useless to lose sleep over them.

Well I'll be happy, One Piece will probably be at the top when it ends.
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Posted 8/6/13 , edited 8/6/13

Crow009 wrote:

All scores are subjective.


not if done via random sampling.. it is the means of which people are subjected to that undermines animes. although there are the occasional objective viewers, however group-think will always be apparent in large anime communities like MAL


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scores from MAL is part of a community, and not that of random sampling, so of course shows are going to be overrated and underrated. It is not at all a means to prove whether an anime is good or not or if it's better than one another, it is more-so based on how many people have similar tastes.

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irtiza9169 wrote:

I don't take MAL scores seriously, nor will I ever. I think sales figures paint a more accurate representation of how well an anime is perceived towards a general audience.
Not for long running anime that rely on ratings. Sazea san is 20 x popular than most if not all anime that come out now but doesn't release any episodes for home release.. That would only work for short 13 episode anime and only certain types sell a lot so in a way it's less reliable.

Long-running shows rely on sales as well, they need some sort of profit for them to continue animating the show. When I mentioned "sales figures" I was tying together merchandise and DVD sales as well, which applies to every anime. So, since Sazae-san is the highest rated show in Japan I would expect merchandise sales and etc. to correlate with it's popularity. Also, official TV ratings are different from MAL ratings, I have nothing against official TV ratings because they contribute accurately to how a show is perceived in Japan.
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RolexKid wrote:

not if done via random sampling.. it is the means of which people are subjected to that undermines animes. although there are the occasional objective viewers, however group-think will always be apparent in large anime communities like MAL


RolexKid wrote:

scores from MAL is part of a community, and not that of random sampling, so of course shows are going to be overrated and underrated. It is not at all a means to prove whether an anime is good or not or if it's better than one another, it is more-so based on how many people have similar tastes.

Yes, they are always subjective. Anime is a subjective medium, therefore any score that anyone gives any part of the anime is subjective. And just picking some and not all does not make the scores any more objective than anyone elses.


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Crow009 wrote:


irtiza9169 wrote:

I don't take MAL scores seriously, nor will I ever. I think sales figures paint a more accurate representation of how well an anime is perceived towards a general audience.
Not for long running anime that rely on ratings. Sazea san is 20 x popular than most if not all anime that come out now but doesn't release any episodes for home release.. That would only work for short 13 episode anime and only certain types sell a lot so in a way it's less reliable.

Long-running shows rely on sales as well, they need some sort of profit for them to continue animating the show. When I mentioned "sales figures" I was tying together merchandise and DVD sales as well, which applies to every anime. So, since Sazae-san is the highest rated show in Japan I would expect merchandise sales and etc. to correlate with it's popularity. Also, official TV ratings are different from MAL ratings, I have nothing against official TV ratings because they contribute accurately to how a show is perceived in Japan.
They run on tv advertisements and manga sales, not dvd or bd sales. They don't expect someone to buy hundreds or even thousands as Sazea san has been running nonstop since the 60s, of vhs and dvds. I know, I was saying that long running shows don't run on sales figures, but on tv ratings so your logic doesn't work all the time.
Even Chihayafuru dvd/bd sales are not that good, but gets more seasons because of the manga. Certain anime are like that, usually shoujo or josei. Airing the anime boosts the manga sales by a lot, so even if they don't sell dvds(they aren't expecting to), they still get more episodes.



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The method of scoring anime using a number scale of 1 to 10 is objective. The ideals of what someone thinks a 7 should be on such scale is subjective.

That's why we use the statistical analysis. unless you want to add stuff next to the numbers like ANN ie: the masterpiece, excellent, good etc...

On the second note, I don't see why people are so butthurt about a number.
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Crow009 wrote:

Yes, they are always subjective. Anime is a subjective medium, therefore any score that anyone gives any part of the anime is subjective. And just picking some and not all does not make the scores any more objective than anyone elses.




nope, i wouldn't go as far to call it a medium. rather the community that envelops it is. as kami said the numerical values are objective. so it is possible for one can give it an objective score if they are not affiliated with group-thinking
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Crow009 wrote:


irtiza9169 wrote:


Long-running shows rely on sales as well, they need some sort of profit for them to continue animating the show. When I mentioned "sales figures" I was tying together merchandise and DVD sales as well, which applies to every anime. So, since Sazae-san is the highest rated show in Japan I would expect merchandise sales and etc. to correlate with it's popularity. Also, official TV ratings are different from MAL ratings, I have nothing against official TV ratings because they contribute accurately to how a show is perceived in Japan.
They run on tv advertisements and manga sales, not dvd or bd sales. They don't expect someone to buy hundreds or even thousands as Sazea san has been running nonstop since the 60s, of vhs and dvds. I know, I was saying that long running shows don't run on sales figures, but on tv ratings so your logic doesn't work all the time.
Even Chihayafuru dvd/bd sales are not that good, but gets more seasons because of the manga. Certain anime are like that, usually shoujo or josei. Airing the anime boosts the manga sales by a lot, so even if they don't sell dvds(they aren't expecting to), they still get more episodes.



What? Your logic is out of queue here.

If you actually pay attention to what I said earlier I mentioned "sales figures" as being merchandise and DVD sales, not only DVD sales.
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irtiza9169 wrote:


Crow009 wrote:

irtiza9169 wrote:


Long-running shows rely on sales as well, they need some sort of profit for them to continue animating the show. When I mentioned "sales figures" I was tying together merchandise and DVD sales as well, which applies to every anime. So, since Sazae-san is the highest rated show in Japan I would expect merchandise sales and etc. to correlate with it's popularity. Also, official TV ratings are different from MAL ratings, I have nothing against official TV ratings because they contribute accurately to how a show is perceived in Japan.

They run on tv advertisements and manga sales.

I know, I was saying that long running shows don't run on sales figures, but on tv ratings so your logic doesn't work all the time.



What? Your logic is out of queue here.

If you actually pay attention to what I said earlier I mentioned "sales figures" as being merchandise and DVD sales, not only DVD sales.
It's called wording. And now you said that, your original post didn't have that, and how are you getting your merchandise sales figures?


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Crow009 wrote:

Yes, they are always subjective. Anime is a subjective medium, therefore any score that anyone gives any part of the anime is subjective. And just picking some and not all does not make the scores any more objective than anyone elses.


nope, i wouldn't go as far to call it a medium. rather the community that envelops it is. as kami said the numerical values are objective. so it is possible for one can give it an objective score if they are not affiliated with group-thinking
It's a medium and things like comedy, story, characters, music, art cannot be put on a scale objectively. No, because any person who rates an anime on a scale is putting their personal feelings into it, no matter what kind of scale it is, which things(story, art, characters, etc) carry more weight is up to them, whether one person views something as funny and the other person sees the same thing as unfunny is subjective, whether a character was developed well, whether the music fits and is good, etc. And Kami also said "The ideals of what someone thinks a 7 should be on such scale is subjective. "

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It's a medium and things like comedy, story, characters, music, art cannot be put on a scale objectively. No, because any person who rates an anime on a scale is putting their personal feelings into it, no matter what kind of scale it is, which things(story, art, characters, etc) carry more weight is up to them, whether one person views something as funny and the other person sees the same thing as unfunny is subjective, whether a character was developed well, whether the music fits and is good, etc. And Kami also said "The ideals of what someone thinks a 7 should be on such scale is subjective. "



not necessarily, if one follows a universal criteria when judging, which i doubt most people do; in cases where it occurs, it can be considered objective.

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On the second note, I don't see why people are so butthurt about a number.



I agree. People should stop hurting their butts
over these numbers just because an anime/manga they like
is rated lower than a much better anime/manga.




There's nothing you can do if more people consider
a certain anime to be better than others, people!

Good advice, AnimeKami.
Your post isn't useless for once.


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i don't think it's even relevant to compare an anime to another unless they are of the same genre

(e.g. magica madoka is better than gundam 00... dafuq?)
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RolexKid wrote:

i don't think it's even relevant to compare an anime to another unless they are of the same genre



If the 2 anime being compared have:

*story
*music
*animation
*characters
*enjoyment

Then yes, they can be compared.
People will always find ways.

On a similar topic,
what's irrelevant is bringing up Hyouka in a thread about mecha anime.


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