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What do you think of Nationalism?
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27 / F / Samsara
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Posted 8/7/13
Nationalism, in my opinion, is a very dangerous way of thinking. Devotion to your nation and determining others to be a threat can cause serious damage, like when the Nazi's killed all the Jew and black for a pure Germany and the situation and Yugoslavia the Middle East , Africa and most places in the world! It might strengthen the bond in a nation but it may cause tension in others affecting the relationship like how the U.S. built a wall at Mexico blocking all the guest workers and slowing down NAFTA. Sometimes NAtionality grow's so strong if a nation is insulted the patriot's take it personally and try to start wars over stuff. Please stop promoting NAtionalism if u want our civilization to advance faster and have less wars... What are your thoughts on nationalism?
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Posted 8/7/13
I don't think there's anything wrong with nationalism, but I do agree with you.
Nationalism was created a looong time ago so that people could claim what really wasn't theirs to begin with.
It's nice to have a country to represent, but when it comes to politics and bs like that, it's just not worth it^^;
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I wish people would respect their own country more. I have seen many people that bitch and complain about everything, and forget all of the good things our country has and gives us compared to a lot of other countries. If you don't like it, get off your but and do something about it or gfto
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24 / M / Houston, Tx
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Posted 8/7/13
Just don't go overboard or get nationalism confused with patriotism.
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Posted 8/8/13

Rena-Ryuuguu wrote:

I wish people would respect their own country more. I have seen many people that bitch and complain about everything, and forget all of the good things our country has and gives us compared to a lot of other countries. If you don't like it, get off your but and do something about it or gfto


Agreed.
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Nationalism in the west only seems to exist in sports these days or when the President,Prime Minister,Queen etc has a baby or does something really public. I think things like Nationalism and Patriotism stem from the need we have as humans to feel like we are part of something. We are pack animals by nature and we for the most part prefer to be part of a group than solitary. That buzz you get when you are part of a mass crowd singing patriotic songs and then it becomes a case of "us vs them" As well as creating a pack humans love to draw lines in the sand be in a rival sports team or people from other countries. And that is where the danger of Nationalism begins when people start thinking they are the superior country. This isn't all that common in the west anymore but you see it a lot in the far east still and in more third world places in South America and Africa.

A lot of nationalism and stirring up of these thoughts in the population are often to do with the government trying to hide domestic issues by shining a spotlight elsewhere as the case with Argentina and the Falklands. They use this sense of "it is our right as Argentinians" so people get all riled up and the next thing there is flag burning and everything else and mass demonstrations in the streets. During the Falklands war in the 80's both the British and Argentinians stirred up Nationalist feelings to hide the fact it was a pointless war.

And since this is an anime site i'll mention Japan and the nationalist feelings that still exist in the country. Japan along with China and Korea have been at each others throats for centuries over claims that they are the super race and the others are simply just descended from them. This has led to all sorts of wars massacres and more recently crazy Nationalists doing stupid things like with that argument they had with China over who owns some small island. A bunch of Japanese guys sailed out to the island with a flag and swords to "Claim" it.

I think pride in your country is fine. Cheer your national team or wave a flag on special days. But when that turns into strange ideas about who is really from the country and who deserves to live there using failed logic because countries in history have had several occupants or who owns a random island then there are issues.
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Posted 8/9/13 , edited 8/9/13
Nationalism is fine when it comes to sports or the Olympics, but it is dangerous otherwise. People with too much pride in their country do turn a blind eye knowingly to some of the faults that come from their country.
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33 / M / Colorado Springs,...
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Posted 8/9/13
I think it can inspire good as well as bad, like most any other ideology or belief system. But I tend to think it's more destructive than beneficial just because of how we express it.

I genuinely think we're one species, one world and I think if we cared for our fellow man without boundaries of nationalism, race, etc, we would be a little bit better off.

Of course, this is just one opinion and pure speculation.
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Posted 8/10/13
There is no need for it. People should stop demonizing other people and start thinking of everyone as family.
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I don't think there's any need for countries and nationalities. There's no need to divide humans even further.
Just cherish the people close to you and be welcoming to others.
Posted 8/13/13

ThatKid-san wrote:

I don't think there's any need for countries and nationalities. There's no need to divide humans even further.
Just cherish the people close to you and be welcoming to others.


But at this point, you can't really just tell people of different nationalities to throw away their background/cultures to submit to a single one chosen by whomever. Diversity does indeed cause many disputes but I don't think it's necessarily bad to have differences in lifestyles or whatnot. Especially since there's so many different landscapes we have to adapt to as well as varying resources available, it's quite impossible to all live similar ways. But as long as you can be open-minded and tolerant, there should be no issues with cultural differences.
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HellaStrider wrote:

But at this point, you can't really just tell people of different nationalities to throw away their background/cultures to submit to a single one chosen by whomever. Diversity does indeed cause many disputes but I don't think it's necessarily bad to have differences in lifestyles or whatnot. Especially since there's so many different landscapes we have to adapt to as well as varying resources available, it's quite impossible to all live similar ways. But as long as you can be open-minded and tolerant, there should be no issues with cultural differences.


Oh, I was a bit lazy with my choice of words there. My bad.
I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence, however I do not associate nationalism with values derived from your ethnic/cultural origins.
I should have begun by saying that by nationalism I understand the conviction that the structure, policies and politics of ones nation is superior to others and as such it is entitled to subjugate other nations.

To put it simply, it's the conviction that other nations should either ASSIMILATE or SCRAM
or as you said:

[to] tell people of different nationalities to throw away their background/cultures to submit to a single one chosen by whomever.


I think nations aren't based on ethnic background and values anymore. The borders of countries, their policies and nature is something that was decided by the wealthy and influential and their wars and politics a long time ago. Your national identity doesn't really matter anymore, you can fight for your independence, but how are you going to get it acknowledged? The best you'll get is a mention in the list of nationalities by the UN. The world is becoming a melting pot and you can't change that.

That's why I think the notion of countries/nationalities is meaningless. Sure you can shout you're different and separate, but unless you can isolate from the rest of the world and its influence, it doesn't really matter. You're just a cog in the machine and your individuality is only for the peace of your mind.

Those are my thoughts. Don't feel offended if they sound like ramblings of a madman, it is quite late here and expressing your thoughts in a foreign language is quite a challenge. Thanks for your answer as well.

TL;DR
I might have misunderstood the terminology, thus I've written my understanding of the notion of nationalism above and proceeded to explain my thoughts. If you're not interested, well, good for you, you've just saved a couple minutes of your life.
Posted 8/13/13 , edited 8/13/13


Nah, I kind of wandered off topic from nationalism into simply cultural/ethnic differences, so my answer really didn't apply to this thread. I was just responding to your post haha. I understand everything you said but I was just trying to imagine a world where no separate countries/nations existed and we all lived under a single govt. / no govt. and I really don't know how it would fare out. There's so many differing views already, such as how even individual states of the U.S. can have different legislations, it'd be hard to unite them all without many people deciding to branch out and form separate groups once again. But maybe I'm going off in the wrong direction by not exactly focusing on the role of nationalities/countries nowadays but rather the lack of.
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Posted 9/5/13 , edited 9/5/13
Just asking for trouble. Once you have pride in your country you take pride in being better than others, and shitting on other people. I've seen enough japanese propaganda made by delusional old men on youtube to testify
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Posted 9/6/13 , edited 9/6/13
The concept of Nationalism seems completely irrational and more than a little dangerous to me.
I'm not from the US, but I do live here. I don't feel any particular affiliation with my motherland, or with the United States. I'm a firm believer that people should believe in ideals, not the place they happen to be born in, or the country that they are officially a citizen of.
One of the oddest things I heard a lot when I arrived in the US was people proclaiming that 'America is the greatest country in the world'. It's something that seems to be embedded into the American psyche from a young age, via the absurd indoctrination of forcing kids to take a pledge of allegiance every day at school (don't even get me started on that unconstitutional addition of the 'One nation, under God' rubbish).
The thing is, unless you've visited EVERY country on the planet, how can you make such a sweeping claim as one particular nation being the 'Greatest'? What does that even mean, anyway? Most damning of all, the people who make the proclamation the loudest inevitably have never stepped foot outside of the United States, and in some cases have never traveled beyond the borders of their home state.
Patriotism, as Samuel Johnson put it, 'is the last refuge of the scoundrel'!
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