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Does Evil exist?
“Evil is nothing but a word, an objectification where no objectification is necessary. Cast aside this notion of some external agency as the source of inconceivable inhumanity - the sad truth is our possession of an innate proclivity towards indifference, towards deliberate denial of mercy, towards disengaging all that is moral within us.
But if that is too dire , let's call it evil. And paint it with fire and venom.”
― Steven Erikson,
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No. Unless you thought it into being....
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ya
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Isn't everything nothing but a word? same as stereotypes, people want to explain something they don't understand so they form a stereotype based on what little knowledge they have of the subject or a related subject. So we also have to name everything to give it a meaning, just like you are given a name when you're born.

Somehow, this reminds me of my Physics class which states that black is not a color...but the absence of color.. it's the same as for white and black...they are non-colors. So, if evil is nothing but a word...Does good exist? or is it just nothing but a word?

We know that the absence of good is bad, evil, anything opposite.

For me, without having God or religion in mind, "evil" exists and it is when you hurt another human being. Wars are evil because many people suffer the consequences of it. We are evil because we hurt someone else either by lying, cheating, stealing, raping, abusing, killing and so on. There's evil and good in all of us but I believe we can choose which one we want to use.

In terms of religion....if God exists, satan also exists. If angels exist, demons also exist. If good exists, evil also exists. The Bible says that evil exists which is sin but for those who don't believe in the Bible, our bad actions are evil. It is a word with a meaning behind it.


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I am not disagreeing with you I am just playing the devils advocate here, but most wars conflicts are not done as an evil intent, but done in the name of "Justice, Peace" or some other word that triggers a positive response of the populace. and to them killing people is not only good it is their mission. Syria president Assad and his forces haven't killed 100,00 est. by U.N in the name of evil but in the name of good to fight "terrorist" and disorder. some say he is evil some say he is only protecting order and his country. Is there such thing as a just war? can the killing of thousands to keep the order and the supposed protection of the populace against those who would "destroy" the country be just?
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As a writer, I deeply and strongly object to the notion that words are just labels applied by humans and that words mean nothing. If words mean nothing, then we might as well shut down the Crunchyroll forums now, quit writing books, speaking or otherwise using language.

Words mean things.

End of the story.

As for a just war theory, the Catholic Church has a very good one: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm Section 2309.
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iblessall wrote:

If words mean nothing, then we might as well shut down the Crunchyroll forums now, quit writing books, speaking or otherwise using language.

Words mean things.

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It's hard to explain, idk maybe my vocabulary is too poor, but some things i feel i just can't explain in word's and i feel like i can only explain them through some brain wave communication science stuff.. word's are a poor communication if we had the power to communicate directly from the brain so you feel exactly what i feel but we can't so word's are at least legit for now /: it must've been very difficult to create all the ten dollar word's in english, i think.. lol or maybe some guy just thought of it and submitted them to whoever approves of new word's and got his word accepted...
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iblessall wrote:

As a writer, I deeply and strongly object to the notion that words are just labels applied by humans and that words mean nothing. If words mean nothing, then we might as well shut down the Crunchyroll forums now, quit writing books, speaking or otherwise using language.

Words mean things.

End of the story.

As for a just war theory, the Catholic Church has a very good one: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm Section 2309.


again being a devils advocate here, but yes words do mean something, but the concept of the word evil, is it anything more than a word?
"the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated."
No man goes out to war saying that they are going to do evil, They all go out proclaiming how just there cause is, and that there great virtue will stamp out this evil, but more often than not they are the ones who enact the evil deeds in history, they are the ones who slay the women and children on their quest for the eradication of evil.


“More evil gets done in the name of righteousness than any other way.”
-Glen Cook
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kakashi2 wrote:

I am not disagreeing with you I am just playing the devils advocate here, but most wars conflicts are not done as an evil intent, but done in the name of "Justice, Peace" or some other word that triggers a positive response of the populace. and to them killing people is not only good it is their mission. Syria president Assad and his forces haven't killed 100,00 est. by U.N in the name of evil but in the name of good to fight "terrorist" and disorder. some say he is evil some say he is only protecting order and his country. Is there such thing as a just war? can the killing of thousands to keep the order and the supposed protection of the populace against those who would "destroy" the country be just?


I understand that they are needed most of the time, some will get good out of it and some will be screwed up like Nagasaki and Hiroshima after the atomic bombings conducted by USA...that's why evil exists because it is impossible, with the way our human nature is, that only good would govern over the whole world.

Some say that Hitler was a good man and he did what he did for the sake of his people, but the WWI didn't happen for Justice and peace, it was caused by his "good" intentions. You can justify the causes of wars as good when it is for your safety or your own gain but that doesn't make it "good" for those who suffered the consequences of it and that's the point I was trying to make.
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kakashi2 wrote:

I am not disagreeing with you I am just playing the devils advocate here, but most wars conflicts are not done as an evil intent, but done in the name of "Justice, Peace" or some other word that triggers a positive response of the populace. and to them killing people is not only good it is their mission. Syria president Assad and his forces haven't killed 100,00 est. by U.N in the name of evil but in the name of good to fight "terrorist" and disorder. some say he is evil some say he is only protecting order and his country. Is there such thing as a just war? can the killing of thousands to keep the order and the supposed protection of the populace against those who would "destroy" the country be just?


I understand that they are needed most of the time, some will get good out of it and some will be screwed up like Nagasaki and Hiroshima after the atomic bombings conducted by USA...that's why evil exists because it is impossible, with the way our human nature is, that only good would govern over the whole world.

Some say that Hitler was a good man and he did what he did for the sake of his people, but the WWI didn't happen for Justice and peace, it was caused by his "good" intentions. You can justify the causes of wars as good when it is for your safety or your own gain but that doesn't make it "good" for those who suffered the consequences of it and that's the point I was trying to make.


oh i see, though i was only playing the devils advocate hahhaa
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I don't believe so, but evil can exist as an idea. Evil can exist within someone's perception of reality and that's pretty darn real to the individual. Some religious people believe in evil and it's a very real ideology for them.

I personally don't believe evil exists. I believe we're simply animals that have categorized beneficial and non-beneficial behavior (to the whole). I don't even really think people can understand the true depth of their actions or the consequences their actions really expire. And by that I simply mean the chain of events or "butterfly effect" any action can inspire. I think it's a simplistic view and a dehumanizing view. To simply disregard someone as evil is to disregard compassion or any interest in trying to understand or prevent further acts from being reproduced.

But again, life is such a wonderful subjective experience and we can't really even prove our opinions. Yay. The last sentence was said with heavy sarcasm.
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Good for you for not saying that humans are also an idea, animals are more acceptable.
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Yes.
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Doryphoros wrote:


iblessall wrote:

If words mean nothing, then we might as well shut down the Crunchyroll forums now, quit writing books, speaking or otherwise using language.

Words mean things.

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It's hard to explain, idk maybe my vocabulary is too poor, but some things i feel i just can't explain in word's and i feel like i can only explain them through some brain wave communication science stuff.. word's are a poor communication if we had the power to communicate directly from the brain so you feel exactly what i feel but we can't so word's are at least legit for now /: it must've been very difficult to create all the ten dollar word's in english, i think.. lol or maybe some guy just thought of it and submitted them to whoever approves of new word's and got his word accepted...


Perhaps so, but it would be wrong to use your own limitations to impose a limitation on the power of language. In a completely objective way, that is a failing of you, not of words themselves. And even if someone is making up words and submitting them to a committee that approves words (not exactly how it is actually done), those words that are being submitted still mean something.


kakashi2 wrote:


iblessall wrote:

As a writer, I deeply and strongly object to the notion that words are just labels applied by humans and that words mean nothing. If words mean nothing, then we might as well shut down the Crunchyroll forums now, quit writing books, speaking or otherwise using language.

Words mean things.

End of the story.

As for a just war theory, the Catholic Church has a very good one: http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a5.htm Section 2309.


again being a devils advocate here, but yes words do mean something, but the concept of the word evil, is it anything more than a word?
"the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated."
No man goes out to war saying that they are going to do evil, They all go out proclaiming how just there cause is, and that there great virtue will stamp out this evil, but more often than not they are the ones who enact the evil deeds in history, they are the ones who slay the women and children on their quest for the eradication of evil.


“More evil gets done in the name of righteousness than any other way.”
-Glen Cook


If you admit that words mean things, you have to admit that evil means something. You can't simply start to pick and choose and say, "Well, the word chair means a chair, but the word evil only means the concept of the thing evil."

As for war, if you read the sections around the one I mentioned in the linked I posted before, you can see that there is a distinction made. War is always considered an evil because of the harm it causes to humans. However, you can still go to war justly, in self-defense. That doesn't make war any less evil. Someone above mentioned that intentions have nothing to do with it. Then again, I am assuming the existence of evil, because I'm now discussing it in degrees.
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Evil exists in all of us, some of us are just better at controlling it...

Furthermore there is no imaginary scapegoat known as satan, if you want to see a demon one need only stare into the mirror...
Man himself is his own enemy.
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