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I'm only mad because he didn't end up with Kuroneko. :< (It's not like you guys didn't feel all the feels, too). I really don't get why he turned down every girl (Kuroneko) just so he could have a few day romance with his little sister. I mean, i'm okay with him being with Kirino, i like her and all, especially after the OVAs, but really, why didn't they stay together...?


Well it wasn't two days, it was more like a couple months I thought.

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Warning, Massively Huge Spoiler Content In this Post, Please Read Only If You Have Finished Viewing Oreimo 2 OVA's


First, I would like to thank CR for going through what was likely a huge hassle to obtain the license for a worldwide simulcast of these ova's. Truly, it is much appreciated.
Now, for those who argue that this series title is justification and clear implication of where things were going to end up, I see your point. However, this story could have also been about how these siblings grew as people, repaired their broken relationship, and used that growth as a method of moving themselves past an unhealthy obsession with their sibling. (And for any of you who are going to argue that I'm close-minded to not accept an incestuous relationship, I work in mental health and have studied psychology and sociology extensively. Incest is damaging, even when it's "consensual". I have seen this in research and in real life. So I don't want to hear that argument.)
Moving on, as a work of fiction the ending of this series commits the cardinal sin of ignoring all of the growth these characters went through. This invalidates their efforts and basically says that those parts of the story simply don't matter. As a viewer, aren't we then forced to wonder what in the hell was the point in showing us those parts of the story to begin with if they are going to be ignored? For example, Kyousuke and Kirino move from cold indifference to being supportive, caring, and capable of spending quality time together. Ayase not only has to acknowledge the lie she chose to believe about Kyousuke, but she must also accept him as a man with qualities due admires as she begins to fall for him. Saori lets go of her facade and begins to put herself out there as her true self, and Manami ( as others have said the only real Woman of the entire series) has the guts to confess a love she has held in her heart for a freaking decade! And how is all of this progress rewarded? With rejection on favor of the siblings reverting to a backwards and grossly insular relationship. Part of becoming a well-balanced adult is being able manage feelings (both romantic and platonic) for people outside of our family unit, so yrs the siblings choice to revert to this incestuous relationship is backwards. It negates their own growth and dismisses the efforts of the other girls.
Lastly, let's examine Manami's final scene a little more closely. I'm not even going to spend much time on what a mouthy and obnoxious little piece of trash Kirino was to Manami in that scene, that was pretty evident to all watching, and only serves to further demonstrate her backslide in development. Instead, lets focus on Manami's actions. At first she is fairly composed and attempts to reason with both siblings. Clearly her primary reason is her love for Kyousuke, but there is real concern for the future of both siblings. When that falls on deaf ears she pleads with Kyousuke, confessing her decade-long hidden love and offering it to him (likely along with the rest of herself) to save him. She does this knowing full well the depths that his depravity with Kirino has likely fallen to. And how is her heart wrenching confession received? Not only is she rejected, but Kyousuke has the audacity to yell, "incest for the win!" in her face after denying her. Then, as Manami walks away, likely devastated, he mutters some flippant line about their love that ended before it began. Seriously, what the hell are these writers, producers, publishers, or whoever else thinking? How can a viewer possibly feel any sympathy for the siblings at this point. Even after all of this we are treated to the height of the siblings self absorbed infatuation for each other with that soul-burning wedding scene. And are the viewers actually supposed to believe that their affair is over? The last scene certainly didn't feel that way.
This whole ova series is nothing but one selfish and foolish decision after another on the part of the siblings. They have effectively become the villains of their own show. Think I'm wrong? Try imaging yourself as a friend, family member, even acquaintance of the siblings. Now imagine your reaction to the news of them being lovers. What do you think Manami's grandparents would think of Kyousuke now? Think he'll be invited over for the holidays again? This series squandered a chance to show good character development leading to an enjoyable ending on favor of satisfying the .01% of freak-nasty otakus who don't understand how wrong this is because they can't even talk to people outside of their families. BURN IT WITH FIRE.
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Just wanted to say, I like your post. I really, really, like it!
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Thanks Suikojay, glad you took the time to read it. I tend to get a little ranty when something like this gets me fired up
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Same here man I concur, thank you for putting my vague feelings of unrest into words, and again very much appreciated.
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Posted 8/22/13
Count me among those who resonate with drkphnx02 post (what I've read of it; see below).

Damning as this is to say in a first post, I'm to whatever extent a fan of Kodomo no Jikan, which I'm still iffy on how it wrapped up (mostly due to rapidity, I figure), and I'm aware of how
finishes up in the comics, both of which, regardless of character developments, can be boiled down to "rearing mai waifu" (as the guardian of the former's female lead blatantly was doing during his, er, villain arc?). I'm up for depictions of taboo working out well for the characters involved, but there's always the sense of "but is this best, or justified?" hanging around.

I haven't read the later volumes of the latter, and I've watched maybe one episode of Oreimo (thus not finishing your post), but the concerns brought up are the kinds of consternation when one considers if "taboo end" is constructively appropriate end.
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Posted 8/22/13

JeilNamja wrote:


pinkydo77 wrote:

I'm only mad because he didn't end up with Kuroneko. :< (It's not like you guys didn't feel all the feels, too). I really don't get why he turned down every girl (Kuroneko) just so he could have a few day romance with his little sister. I mean, i'm okay with him being with Kirino, i like her and all, especially after the OVAs, but really, why didn't they stay together...?


Well it wasn't two days, it was more like a couple months I thought.



Oh, i thought they called it off in the wedding scene, and i thought that happened just a few days after they "got together". But still, a couple months in a secret relationship with his sister>Kuroneko!? (or any of the other girls for that matter)
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TJF588, thanks for bringing it to my attention that I failed to put a spoiler tag on my earlier post. I was unable to get the usual tag to work, but added a header to the beginning at least.

Again, thanks to anyone who read my little rant. If anyone strongly disagrees with what I've posted I'm always up for a little debate.
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Posted 8/22/13
haha you are so right that ending wasn't really good and quite intolerable.
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Posted 8/22/13 , edited 8/22/13
I think drkphnx02 pretty much nailed it. The ending we got is completely at odds with 26 previous episodes of character development. I think the last 3 OVAs should be thrown out and labelled "your worst nightmare ending". Let them make an alternate ending OVA where the character development yields Kirino finally dealing with her Big Brother Complex, and Kyousuke making a choice from among the many nice girls he had cared for through the series. It would hurt to see the others rejected, but that's how these stories have to end. Someone has to make a choice. The core problem seems to be that the author himself was fixated on the idea of Kirino and Kyousuke actually getting together for a serious romantic relationship; which is just not going to work for a mainstream story. Someone needs to just buy the rights to the story and start a new season where the first thing that happens is Kirino and Kyousuke say together, in front of all the other girls, "just kidding!!!".

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Posted 8/22/13
Here are my thoughts on why I thought the ending was appropriate.

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You sir, have written my exact thoughts down, I applaud you and your post. In all seriousness, I completely agree with you. I thought Kyousuke was an idiot for turning down Ayase, but when he turned down Manami, and rubbed it in her face by screaming "Incest for the win," I seriously was pissed. I wanted to drop the show when he rejected Ayase, and I wish I had done so, because the ending was kinda sickening. I love my sister to death, but I could never nor would want to entertain the idea of dating her, especially with 5(?) different girls confessing to me. There's seriously gotta be something wrong with someone if they have a number of girls confessing to them, and they choose their sister.
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Posted 8/23/13 , edited 8/23/13
I am perfectly fine with the way the anime ended ^^ now wishing the second half of Usagi Drop were animated as well...
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Posted 8/23/13
As much as I loved the show, ever since it showed up here on Crunchyroll way back when. Leading me to buy the first season on DVD and watching the season 2 stream since April and watching this OVA finale... I mean I love the show BUT... they could've gone a different/bette route with the ending. I hope our dear mangaka of Oreimo is happy with what he chose to let happen with season 2, because I am not that satisfied. OH well.
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Perhaps the most disappointing ending to a series I've ever seen. Horrible in so many ways.
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