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USA: The Yankee Empire
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Posted 1/28/08 , edited 4/21/08
i know alot of people who take pride in saying things like the 'American Powerhouse' and brag about how much power we hold in te current day of age. but i dont believe it. lots of countries fall in and out of power, there have been lots of empires in history. even if America is really as strong and powerful as people claim, and i dont think we are, it doesnt really matter because there are at lest 2-3 other countries just as powerful (China, and England) today. we need to be willing to help others, make progress at home, and be considerate of even the smallest country. lets consentrate less on American power and more on the well being of the world as a whole. And i think people need to remember that Empires all ways crumble and colapse!
But i do like the sound of Yankee Empire, lol, if we do end up becoming one i think that would be a great .....um, what..title?! lol!
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... no ? lol

China will be. USA is in how many billions in debt ? How much money have they spent in the war ? USA would hit ROCK BOTTOM without items from china. With the Olympics jst around the corner china will be the most powerful country in a matter of 5 years. If u think USA would be then u need to read more buddy.
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I don't know, I'm from Canada and USA is pulling us Canadians along. I mean, you can clearly see the US pulls everything along with it. Take a look at some stocks globally, they're all affected due to the US economy... Hopefully there won't be a recession... Lucky me, my stocks ain't down 22%... otherwise I just wasted my time and money...
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duiduidui wrote:

... no ? lol

China will be. USA is in how many billions in debt ? How much money have they spent in the war ? USA would hit ROCK BOTTOM without items from china. With the Olympics jst around the corner china will be the most powerful country in a matter of 5 years. If u think USA would be then u need to read more buddy.


the power of the u.s. empire doesn't come from how much money they make, but how much of other countries' money they control.
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THE UNITED STATES OF EVERYTHING that won`t happen. All the other country won`t let the US take over their homeland.☻


too late buddy. the plan is already in action

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

look at the names who wrote it:
Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett , Jeb Bush,

Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen, Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky , Steve Forbes,

Aaron Friedberg , Francis Fukuyama , Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle,

Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz,

Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen,

Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel, Paul Wolfowitz/

sound familiar? they should. at least for americans.




LOL, why does the US feel the need to Americanize and asimalate the whole world! seriously, for a country made of every county we sure do try to make the rest of the world conform to us! Some times it's nessasary but most of the time- cha i dont think so. I'm really sick of how US-izum is trying to get spred, and as to my fellow Americans, we are such a good country because we have a bit of every thing. take pride in where your family comes from and learn about your familys culture and history. we can only be strong if we remember our past even before our familys came to this country!
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All of this doesn't matter becuz in 50 years the Latinos will take over the US.
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All of this doesn't matter becuz in 50 years the Latinos will take over the US.


LOL

they said the same about the germans. and the irish. and the italians. that is nothing new.
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duiduidui wrote:

... no ? lol

China will be. USA is in how many billions in debt ? How much money have they spent in the war ? USA would hit ROCK BOTTOM without items from china. With the Olympics jst around the corner china will be the most powerful country in a matter of 5 years. If u think USA would be then u need to read more buddy.


USA Benefitting from China? What makes you think that? Because of most of products bought have "Made in China" stamped to it? Last time I checked, China was getting a trade surplus off U.S. and we're actually on the trade deficit end of all of it. But I do agree, U.S. is getting nowhere here. Bush is just gambling in the dark hoping that if we continue trade with China that they would consider establishing Democracy, and through that we're able to dictate further trade with China. Its a very good plan in the long run but we can't even fully place our bets on it.

Economics wise, China is in reach of getting world power, but its still a long grasp if you haven't the military power to correspond to other countries worldwide and from what I can tell, their military power isn't that great.

Imo, I think Russia getting up there on world power mainly because of their found oil. But theres so much damn corruption running rampant, it would be kind of hard to believe.

And for the record, any country can establish an olympics if they wanted to. Its more of a prestige to impose to other countries to tell them "hey look at us, we're getting there; we're advance", when in light the Olympics are so corrupted, only taking in countries that are willing to pay the price established by that said country. In short, Olympics play some role in a countrie's economy, but it isn't as big as you seem to depict it


Aidenson wrote:

All of this doesn't matter becuz in 50 years the Latinos will take over the US.


Err what? how?
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Aidenson wrote:

All of this doesn't matter becuz in 50 years the Latinos will take over the US.


lolz today the US, tomorrow the world

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yankee empire seem pretty much the same as the new york yankees lol

... all the money , all the firepower but all the ego ( and their past few champion ship will forever be tainted with roger clemens and andy )
Posted 1/28/08 , edited 4/21/08
i think the united states would not go for an empire.....yet......... first of all, the economy isn't stable yet (besides we're still dependent on oil), and although the military is certainly the most powerful on the planet at the moment, i dont think the current president has the guts, the intelligence, or the charisma to pull off a successful attempt at empire............besides if the states were to seize new lands now they would only spread the turmoil and problems that writhe under the american facade of being the world's police (btw im american and im not talkin shit about it im just stating the facts)

now, if america were taking over due to subversion of overseas media, well i dont think thats happening but it might with japan........i mean come on, look at how its influence through entertainment has started to slowly seep into mainstream culture..............
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Posted 1/29/08 , edited 4/21/08
damn americans, been top cuz they have the push-this-to-destroy-iraq-button nuclear bomb
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lets say. look at their economy now ;x
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Sorry, but this is stupid. I don't think that the USA is that strong anymore. And now this is just prejudice. Since you don't know the political backgrounds. You are only speculating, but do you have a proof that the USA used the 9/11 just to start a war in Iraq and get the oil?...please....some proofs are required before you are blabbering nonsense that is based on nothing.

Flo~


please tell me the relation between 9/11 and Iraq. There is none. The perpetrators were Saudis. Bin Laden is a Saudi. Bin Laden is based in afghanistan. Saddam and Bin Laden hate each other so why would saddam help bin laden? he wouldn't and didnt.


Bush said there were WMDs in Iraq. There were no WMDs in Iraq. Then he changed the pre cursor to human rights. which is crap because under US occupation not much has changed hell its even worse.

Why didnt Bush Sr? go in 1991? Cause he couldnt gas the Kurds off of there lands to get their oil. So he waited till saddam did it and then let his son go in later.

where is your proof for going to Iraq? Oh thats right they are all lies.


Its the oil stupid.


Eh, I don't know why you are attacking me. I didn't say that the 9/11 was the purpose to go to Iraq....nor that the oil is...I was referring to some here who did, and I referred to the OP...who is obviously thinking like that.
I didn't say that I have proofs. Since I am not aware of the secret political backgrounds, I won't start to speculate about things I am not sure, and which I can't proof.
You should next time read it thoroughly before starting to attack me. I didn't even give my opinion on that.

Yes, it might be the oil, but I can't agree with it 100% since nobody brought up any persuasive facts or proofs about that. Your argumentations are biased bullshit with no proof or fact as a basis. Don't come on me with lame attacks like this.

And calling me stupid won't change the fact that you are an idiot who is apparently unable to read my post, and get it's meaning.

Flo~





Sorry, but this is stupid. you call this debate stupid don't think that the USA is that strong anymore. you think that the most technologically advanced military in the world with spending equivalent to the next 8 biggest spenders in NATO put together isnt "that strong anymore" And now this is just prejudice. offering no facts of your own you call prejudice Since you don't know the political backgrounds. analize the situation, doesnt take a genius You are only speculating,again, you are speculalting but do you have a proof that the USA used the 9/11 just to start a war in Iraq and get the oil? this is the line which prompted my post to give you reasons ...please....some proofs are required before you are blabbering nonsense that is based on nothing. again discrediting without your own contradicting research



Eh, I don't know why you are attacking me. maybe stupid was harsh I didn't say that the 9/11 was the purpose to go to Iraq....nor that the oil is...I was referring to some here who did, and I referred to the OP...who is obviously thinking like that.
I didn't say that I have proofs. Since I am not aware of the secret political backgrounds, I won't start to speculate about things I am not sure, and which I can't proof.
You should next time read it thoroughly before starting to attack me. I didn't even give my opinion on that. so you dont give an opinion but discredit someones opinion, which can give the impression that you are taking an adverse stance

Yes, it might be the oil, but I can't agree with it 100% since nobody brought up any persuasive facts or proofs about that. Your argumentations are biased bullshit with no proof or fact as a basis. Don't come on me with lame attacks like this. None of my arguments are biased bullshit, they are all facts. Look them up. The only speculative comment was George Bush Seniors decision to leave Saddam in power to gas the kurds. I typed my post up quickly and left some steps out but its enough proof, yes, proof look it up, to make a connection between 9/11 as a precursor to the war on terror, Afghanistan and Iraq and the vast oil resources contained in that country.

And calling me stupid won't change the fact that you are an idiot who is apparently unable to read my post, and get it's meaning.
calling me an idiot will not change the fact you meant to discredit someones opinion, I defended it and that you offered none and then tried to discredit my facts and 1 speculation with name calling.



Okay, let's analyse this situation now.hmm..When I said this is stupid, I wasn't referring to the topic.
You want my opinion? Well, I won't make any researches to proof my thoughts, that's also why I didn't express my opinion here. All I was asking the people that say that they think that it was all due to the oil to give me some proof. Since I am not from America I hoped someone from America could give me more information about this. Okay, the way I typed it might have had a bad impression...

Here is my opinion: Yes, I think you are definitely right, it was the oil that had happen to be the main unofficial purpose of why the USA went to Iraq. But please don't think that only the USA was after the oil..(.Europe secretly too, just they wont admit that.). The USA was merely the first one who started to act. Europe would have done something about this sooner or later if the USA wouldn't have interfered first. But to emphasise it, this is only my opinion and it might be that my views are influenced by the media somehow, though I don't watch tv anymore....

Anyways, I am too lazy to look this facts up. And I thank you for the vulgar end, which you obviously edited in the last second before I answered.
And I won't argue with you on that topic, since I am not enough informed about it to insert my two cents. All I wanted was to see some facts based on reliable ressources. If that sounds like an attack then it must have been one.




It was a mod edit. im glad you saw it though and you're very welcome.


Oh yeah, I am glad too. Now at least I can tell for sure at what kind of smutty level you are.

PS: I forgot to say, when I said that the USA ain't that strong anymore, I thought that it was clear that I wasn't referring to the military force, but to the economical situation. Now really, can't you use logic at least for a bit?


it would have been clear if you had added the word economically. but thanks for bringing that up because it only goes to further my point that

1. You cant express your opinions clearly and then twist them after the fact.

2. That nothing gets the economy going like a good war for oil.

Also i apologize for my comment on your menstration. It was more gross than smutty and uncalled for. but you are still stupid.



Okay, this will be my last response for you on this thread. Since you are incapable to stay on a nice level.

1. I am expressing my opinions quite well, but not enough well for a brain-lacking person like you as I can see.

2. I am quite aware of that matter.

Your apology is not worth a cent, since you are still calling me stupid, which I am certainly not. This only proves that you are unable to discuss with me on a more civilised rank. All this insults will only lead to your predestined failure, cuz you are trying to emphasise your reasonings with telling me how stupid I am. If you think that this will help you to make your opinions clear about this topic, then you are terribly misplaced here. And you picked the wrong person to pick on. I hope that this is clear enough for you. And that you will in future refrain from this childish way of expressing your opinions about something. :)
Come back when you are a bit more mature to debate without this childish insults.
And now farewell,

Flo~

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Posted 1/29/08 , edited 4/21/08
list of things american needs to conquer , before the world

1] American has indeed created an empire and its a LARGE army alright , mc donalds ... expanding by the seconds ( literally )

2] American government has conquer another thing on the agenda , the American people . USA is now becoming a police country. Tapping into your phone lines and arresting you because they think your a terroist ? Land of the Free ? God Bless America ? wth i thought God blesses everyone ... LOL

3] American has taken another vital step into world domination , by being one of the most stupid country and the fattest country. The rate of americans that can't read and write amongst the most powerful country is tops. Size does matter ? ( Obesity ) Americans has takening that theory into a whole new level.
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