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Keep In mind that not all of them are "homophobes", in some cases they are just grossed out or just "shocked" or "disturbed". Phobia implies fear, it's not that they are all afraid.

I personally don't mind it but really if I walked in on it or some guy was trying to do something strange to me personally, I'd probably be shocked for a minute (not scared) and then just grossed out (still not scared).

As for why it doesn't effect lesbians... ... I'm a guy so yeah... I guess you should wonder why or if there aren't any girls that aren't phobic of lesbians. Lesbians just seem to be more socially acceptable, the world is full of hypocrites. Deal with it.jpg
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Hi,

Please keep posts on the topic and civil. I've had to delete a few, and if this keeps happening, we may have to lock the thread. Play nice, please!

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Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones....

In other words, "Thou doth protest too much".....
Homophobic men do not see lesbian relationships as a 'threat' to their own sexuality, where as two men together sparks
hidden desires..
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Mycow8me wrote:

Keep In mind that not all of them are "homophobes", in some cases they are just grossed out or just "shocked" or "disturbed". Phobia implies fear, it's not that they are all afraid.

I personally don't mind it but really if I walked in on it or some guy was trying to do something strange to me personally, I'd probably be shocked for a minute (not scared) and then just grossed out (still not scared).


Homophobia is one of the many words used to define bigotry which doesn't actually make sense at all. Yes, phobia implies irrational fear, homophobia has little to do with fear. Being grossed out or disturbed is just as homophobic and being fearful, and while I couldn't really care less how people personally feel the fact those types of people try to take rights away from others does bother me quite a lot.
Anyway, point is homophobia has nothing to do with being "scared", although fear can indeed be a major part of it. Not fear as in scared because homosexuality is ~scary~, but fear in the sense they fear change. They fear that the homosexuality bug will spread. They fear homosexuals getting married will "ruin marriage", and so on.
So, at the end of the day, even if you claim not to have those fears or claim not to be scared of homosexuals, you're still quite homophobic for considering homosexuality gross or disturbing. I'm not calling you personally one, mind you, just in general clarifying that homophobia, like many words, does not mean exactly what it's root words imply.
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Because they like lesbians. I mean....who doesn't?
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Whats this nonsense if somebody has a preference over straight couples than gay couples that they are somehow bigots?

I like white blue eyed blonde hair girls, does that mean I FEAR or HATE any girl that doesnt meet that standard? No obviously.

I think horseradish is disgusting when compared to other toppings. Does that mean I FEAR or HATE horseradish?

I support government getting out of marriage entirely, but you people who demonize those who don't approve of the homosexual lifestyle by calling them closeted homosexuals, or just straight up bigots are the biggest bigots of all if you ask me.

Are people somehow not allowed to have preferences and must automatically like everything equally?

Though to the question of why lesbians are not as negative as gays, its obvious. More people find girls making out hotter and more watchable than guys doing it. Men generally are taught/conditioned to be the hard type, while girls are taught/conditioned to be the soft type. Soft things doing cuddly stuff would therefore be more watchable than hard things doing cuddly stuff

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Might I suggest the following Biblical verses: 1 Samuel 18:1, 1 Samuel 18:2, 1 Samuel 18:3-4, 1 Samuel 20:41, 2 Samuel 1:26
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Whats this nonsense if somebody has a preference over straight couples than gay couples that they are somehow bigots?


Nobody thinks this, like at all. It's people who say they prefer straight couples and consider homosexuality disgusting that bothers people. Nobody's stopping you from having a preference, in fact nobody would even stop you from finding homosexuality disgusting. However, when people shove their disdain in front of everyone's faces, I think it's fair to say they're obnoxious and rude people.


I support government getting out of marriage entirely, but you people who demonize those who don't approve of the homosexual lifestyle by calling them closeted homosexuals, or just straight up bigots are the biggest bigots of all if you ask me.


Haha, it kind of sounds like you don't really know what bigotry is. Not tolerating intolerance is far from bigotry. Trying to stop people from doing something they want to do which isn't hurting anyone (marriage in this case) is horrible. People should have the freedom to marry if they so desire, not have people telling them we should stop marriage or they should find other options.
Characterizing people who disapprove of homosexuality (to the point of trying to remove their rights) as being cruel or evil isn't exactly what I'd call bigotry. Taking away someones rights, anyone's rights, is a cruel act; demonizing people who do just that seems like a perfectly acceptable reaction.
Sure, I don't agree with calling those who do not approve of homosexuality as closeted themselves, but I wouldn't say the people who do are bigots.
As the saying goes, people are free to say whatever they want, including cruel disapproving things about someone's sexuality, but that doesn't mean they're free to say those things without consequence.


Are people somehow not allowed to have preferences and must automatically like everything equally?


No, of course not. You should, however, consider treating humans equally and giving them equal opportunity in life. That's really all most people want, they wouldn't be as bothered by people disapproving of the way they were born or having a preference that isn't their sexuality if they had equal rights and more respect and tolerance. You don't have to like what people do in bed, but you could at least treat them as humans. (that isn't directed at you, just a general statement)
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So if I find ANYTHING about human beings disgusting, I am therefore I bigot in your mind. Ok lets test this logic.

I hate pedophiles, does that make me a bigot? (Note Im not saying pedophilia is just like homosexuality or any of that nonsense, just showing you the error of your logic)

"However, when people shove their disdain in front of everyone's faces, I think it's fair to say they're obnoxious and rude people."

I could reverse this back on you. Whenever people show their disdain of people who dislike homosexuality in front of people, I think its fair to say they're obnoxious and rude people.

" Not tolerating intolerance is far from bigotry."

I could also reverse this back on you. You are demonizing people who have a different opinion than you. How is that tolerance? You think that labeling your opponents as intolerant then gives you endless free shots at them without any shot back at you? The people who disagree with homosexuals could label YOU the intolerant ones. The ones who think that anybody who disagrees with homosexuality is somehow a bigot.

"Characterizing people who disapprove of homosexuality (to the point of trying to remove their rights) as being cruel or evil isn't exactly what I'd call bigotry. Taking away someones rights, anyone's rights, is a cruel act; demonizing people who do just that seems like a perfectly acceptable reaction."

So basically you consider somebody a bigot when they are forcibly blocking somebody elses rights due to their own prejudices? I agree, but lets see if you really do in a consistent fashion. Because if you slip up once, then people can call you a bigot in some other area of society.

Do you support private property owners being allowed to discriminate who they bring onto their private property? As in, would you vote against a private property owner to choose who he/she wants to bring on their private property.

"As the saying goes, people are free to say whatever they want, including cruel disapproving things about someone's sexuality, but that doesn't mean they're free to say those things without consequence"

Nobody is denying that, what is being denied here is that somebody is a bigot for having a preference of one thing over another.

There is a distinction between people who disagrees with homosexuals but dont block somebodies rights, and people who disagree with homosexuals, but who DO block somebodies rights.

Im saying that putting both of those 2 people in the same bigot category is bigoted itself. Put only one of them in
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Any homosexual can marry ...any woman he wants; any heterosexual cannot marry any man (or woman) he wants (in most states) - there has never been any discrimination.

CollegeHumor made a cute video about this. It's titled "Gay Men Will Marry Your Girlfriends".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-YCdcnf_P8

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So if I find ANYTHING about human beings disgusting, I am therefore I bigot in your mind. Ok lets test this logic.

I hate pedophiles, does that make me a bigot?


I don't think you honestly get what I was saying. Finding things which do not harm anyone which people were born with disgusting to the point of harassing those people and trying to take away their rights out of pure intolerance and hatred is in fact bigotry. I can't believe I had to spell that out for you, do you honestly believe finding a pedophile disgusting and finding a homosexual disgusting are the same thing? Honestly?


"However, when people shove their disdain in front of everyone's faces, I think it's fair to say they're obnoxious and rude people."

I could reverse this back on you. Whenever people show their disdain of people who dislike homosexuality in front of people, I think its fair to say they're obnoxious and rude people.


Sure, I won't disagree with that.


" Not tolerating intolerance is far from bigotry."

I could also reverse this back on you. You are demonizing people who have a different opinion than you. How is that tolerance? You think that labeling your opponents as intolerant then gives you endless free shots at them without any shot back at you? The people who disagree with homosexuals could label YOU the intolerant ones. The ones who think that anybody who disagrees with homosexuality is somehow a bigot.


You really like going in circles with all these "reversals", don't you? They aren't demonizing opinions, they're demonizing people who harass them for the sexuality they were born with and try to take their human rights away. Demonizing bigotry doesn't make you a bigot.
By the way, I never said it was tolerant! "NOT TOLERATING intolerance".
Anyway, of course there's a line. Supporters of homosexuality CAN be bigots and they CAN be intolerant, it's almost as if they're human or something! What I'm arguing isn't that, though. What I'm arguing is being against people who disagree with homosexuality and harass homosexuals and try to take homosexuals human rights away which I am arguing. Which IS bigotry and IS intolerant and there's absolutely no excuse or defense for it. I don't necessarily think anyone who disagrees with homosexuality is a bigot, I think that those intolerant and harmful are bigots.


"Characterizing people who disapprove of homosexuality (to the point of trying to remove their rights) as being cruel or evil isn't exactly what I'd call bigotry. Taking away someones rights, anyone's rights, is a cruel act; demonizing people who do just that seems like a perfectly acceptable reaction."

So basically you consider somebody a bigot when they are forcibly blocking somebody elses rights due to their own prejudices? I agree, but lets see if you really do in a consistent fashion.

Do you support private property owners being allowed to discriminate who they bring onto their private property? As in, would you vote against a private property owner to choose who he/she wants to bring on their private property.


Sure, private property is private property and if they want to have their own circle of specific people I guess that's perfectly acceptable. They aren't out-right harming anyone in this situation. But it's a complex situation, with all sorts of "what ifs" to consider, so that's about the vaguest response I can give for a relatively vague question.


There is a distinction between people who disagrees with homosexuals but dont block somebodies rights, and people who disagree with homosexuals, but who DO block somebodies rights.

Im saying that putting both of those 2 people in the same bigot category is bigoted itself. Put only one of them in


I believe there's more to bigotry than simply removing rights, as I've already stated harassment is another big part of it. People harassing homosexuals and claiming it's an opinion also bother me and I do very much consider them bigots.
I'll be very clear here with what I consider bigotry; I feel bigotry is treating another human with hate, disgust, or intolerance for what they were born into (out of their control) due to one's own prejudice. I don't think considering someone a jerk for their "opinion" is bigotry. Ever. And that being said, I don't always agree that some who doesn't like a type of person for what they were born into is a bigot, but the likelihood of being a literal definition of a bigot is relatively high.
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Sure the Church preaches love and acceptance ...of people, but not what it regards as sinful (and harmful) behavior - why can't their views be accepted without being labeled as "homophobe". Sure they should be able to adopt, I never said they didn't, but the Catholic church should be allowed to place children as they see fit. I am not angry at homosexuals and don't blame them for the decline of marriage. In part it is not a choice ...and in part it is (how it is expressed). Marriage is a public institution and children important to society so it is my business; Marriage has been around a long time and will endure despite many attacks on it (mostly failings of heterosexuals I agree) - oh, and very few people in Hollywood provide a good example of marriage. I am not mad about anything but stand by the definition of marriage and refuse to accept the label of "homophobe"
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Mycow8me wrote:

Keep In mind that not all of them are "homophobes", in some cases they are just grossed out or just "shocked" or "disturbed". Phobia implies fear, it's not that they are all afraid.


I pointed out how this is irrelevant once before, but here it is again:
http://www.fallacyfiles.org/etymolog.html

Specifically:

Semantic: The etymological fallacy as a semantic error is the mistake of confusing the current meaning of a word with the meaning of one of its etymons, or of considering the meaning of the etymon to be the "real" or "true" meaning of the current word. If one's goal is to communicate, then the "real" or "true" meaning of a word is its current meaning. Since the meanings of words change over time, often considerably, the meaning of an etymon may be very different from the current meaning of the word derived from it. The fact that a word historically derives from an etymon may be interesting, but it cannot tell us the current meaning of the word.


That said: most arguments put forth by self-proclaimed 'opponents of homosexuality' do seem to reference fear in some manner anyway, even if not a personal fear or one directly attributed to homosexuals themselves. Fear of god and/or fear of what acceptance will do to society being the two most common ones.


superluccix wrote:

Whats this nonsense if somebody has a preference over straight couples than gay couples that they are somehow bigots?


It's a strawman crafted by people who want to pretend that they're *only* expressing a preference for straight couples, when they get called out for taking the additional steps that make it into bigotry.


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I support government getting out of marriage entirely, but you people who demonize those who don't approve of the homosexual lifestyle by calling them closeted homosexuals, or just straight up bigots are the biggest bigots of all if you ask me.


Given that the so-called "homosexual lifestyle" is a bullshit demonization in the first place, why shouldn't I reciprocate? I mean sure, it would make me the better person if I avoided sinking to their level, but not being the 'better person' isn't quite the same thing as being 'a worse person.'

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it's strange to see another man do it with another man but when its a girl on girl its awesome . natural instinct...
to me why would a guy give up boobs i dont know..
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Double standards. Men think Gay men will rub off on them, while Lesbians are hot and he "might" have a chance.
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