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This thread will never get anywhere

You'll have pro-homosexuality that can't seem to allow any other opinion in the conversation calling the others wrong and some what belittling them by bringing education into the debate.

Then you get the anti-homosexuality that have their mind set on the fact that weather or not animals, people or what ever the subject is can be homosexual does not at all mean it can re-produce with it's same sex partner which leads them to thinking it is just straight forward unnatural not considering the fact that people don't choose to be born homosexual.

Personally I think the video was quite funny. Russel made good points and the two men went by their beliefs. In the end they were both happy and shook each others hands with smiles on their faces. I'd rather people being HAPPY with their own opinion than miserable pretending that they believe in somebody elses opinion.

I did how ever notice a couple people in this thread bring up that it's natural to be homosexual and animals in the wild show homosexuality but what do you mean by that? Do you mean animals in the wild have sex and reproduce with the same sex? Or do you mean animals have pleasure with the same sex but in the end don't reproduce at all?
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paperbunny wrote:
I did how ever notice a couple people in this thread bring up that it's natural to be homosexual and animals in the wild show homosexuality but what do you mean by that? Do you mean animals in the wild have sex and reproduce with the same sex? Or do you mean animals have pleasure with the same sex but in the end don't reproduce at all?


Here's what Wikipedia has to say about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
And here is a picture of some gay deer.
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Apparently.
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I am so glad I haven't met any people that are openly like this
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Thanks, although it does seem to say this

Many of the animals used in studies of homosexuality do not appear to spontaneously exhibit these tendencies often in the wild. Such behavior is often elicited and exaggerated by the researcher during experimentation through the destruction of a portion of brain tissue, or by exposing the animal to high levels of steroid hormones prenatally.[21] Information gathered from these studies is limited when applied to spontaneously occurring same-sex behavior in animals outside of the laboratory

I'm not going against homosexuality and I'm actually all for it but the animal "fact" being brought into the debate on how "normal" homosexuality is just makes me think of when Men are locked away in prison with other men.. no matter how straight they are... It all comes down to hormones and their testosterone levels of suddenly finding who ever they can to release that sexual tension on? That's just my opinion though which is coming from neither a homosexual nor a religious person.
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paperbunny wrote:

This thread will never get anywhere

You'll have pro-homosexuality that can't seem to allow any other opinion in the conversation calling the others wrong and some what belittling them by bringing education into the debate.


Education and facts.


paperbunny wrote:

I did how ever notice a couple people in this thread bring up that it's natural to be homosexual and animals in the wild show homosexuality but what do you mean by that? Do you mean animals in the wild have sex and reproduce with the same sex? Or do you mean animals have pleasure with the same sex but in the end don't reproduce at all?


The reason why most logical people view homosexuality as natural is because it is commonly observed in nature. That's not an opinion, but a fact. If you want to bring reproduction and the passing of genes from one generation to another into the discussion, that's reasonable. Just know that many species propagate their genes indirectly by caring of the young in their clans/family groups. Also, sexual reproduction is not the only natural way of producing young. Asexual reproduction is also natural and viable mode of reproduction for many species.

So far I've only heard ignorant arguments from those who argue that being gay is "unnatural." If I hear a decent argument then I'd be interested learning more. Just my views as an objective straight male.
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paperbunny wrote:

Thanks, although it does seem to say this

Many of the animals used in studies of homosexuality do not appear to spontaneously exhibit these tendencies often in the wild. Such behavior is often elicited and exaggerated by the researcher during experimentation through the destruction of a portion of brain tissue, or by exposing the animal to high levels of steroid hormones prenatally.[21] Information gathered from these studies is limited when applied to spontaneously occurring same-sex behavior in animals outside of the laboratory

I'm not going against homosexuality and I'm actually all for it but the animal "fact" being brought into the debate on how "normal" homosexuality is just makes me think of when Men are locked away in prison with other men.. no matter how straight they are... It all comes down to hormones and their testosterone levels of suddenly finding who ever they can to release that sexual tension on? That's just my opinion though which is coming from neither a homosexual nor a religious person.


Homosexual behavior is observed outside the lab setting in the wild from macaques, giraffes, dolphins, bison, antelopes, swans, whales, etc. I don't think there is an animal prison in nature that caused this.
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paperbunny wrote:

Thanks, although it does seem to say this

Many of the animals used in studies of homosexuality do not appear to spontaneously exhibit these tendencies often in the wild. Such behavior is often elicited and exaggerated by the researcher during experimentation through the destruction of a portion of brain tissue, or by exposing the animal to high levels of steroid hormones prenatally.[21] Information gathered from these studies is limited when applied to spontaneously occurring same-sex behavior in animals outside of the laboratory

I'm not going against homosexuality and I'm actually all for it but the animal "fact" being brought into the debate on how "normal" homosexuality is just makes me think of when Men are locked away in prison with other men.. no matter how straight they are... It all comes down to hormones and their testosterone levels of suddenly finding who ever they can to release that sexual tension on? That's just my opinion though which is coming from neither a homosexual nor a religious person.


The same Wiki entry also quotes Bruce Bagemihl as saying, "Every male that sniffed a female was reported as sex, while anal intercourse with orgasm between males was only "revolving around" dominance, competition or greetings."

And here is a picture of gay ducks.


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Here are pictures of other animals being gay. I've got some more queer deer (the one in the middle looks kinda surprised), monkeys, lions, penguins, giraffes, squid, cows, and a checkered whiptail lizard, which is definitively gay because it's an all-female species that reproduces via parthenogenesis after performing "pseudocopulation" with other females. Apparently god hates checkered whiptail lizards.

So anyway, no more idiocy about how it's "unnatural". If it weren't natural then nature wouldn't do it.
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Give their phone number a call and listen to the surprising words from their machine. My wife called them to make me listen to the responses they give after pressing a specific number. It is sad that people like this are a part of society. It is ridiculous if you ask me. My parents are Christians (I am an atheist) and I respect what they believe in, but these people from WBBC are beyond bizarros.
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Where can i buy that guys T-shirt?
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My_Little_Brony wrote:

The part about picking and choosing was the amusing English fellow who said something like "there are bigger things than whatever" which is true, but he was trying to section and proportion the doctrine of the Christian belief.


I wanted to quote this one more time to bring up another condemning factor here. Another illustrative reason that their argument does not make sense.

There is plenty within the bible that would just be plain illegal or primitive, such as beating and stoning women, or the condemnation of children to being fed to wild animals...

I'm going to doubt that these men live by those parts of the bible. So what? Aren't they placing bigger weight on certain parts of the bible too? Except the difference here, is they place a bigger weight on the parts that brew hate, where as Russell is addressing that it would be more beneficial to mankind if maybe they saw fit to put more weight on the ones that brew love.

There's pretty much no legitimate way to defend how these men choose to fight for their beliefs. When it comes right down to it...living a life that is 100% guided by the bible is actually impossible, because much of it is heinous, criminal, and simply illegal.
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The Westboro Baptist church is nothing new. Where I live almost every religious person is like that, waving around their confederate flags and spreading hate. Of course I live in a place called Bethlehem, but that's beside the point. I cannot stand most southern baptists for a reason, and this is because of how hateful they are to others. Of course I tolerate them, but that's because I have to.


just so you know, westboro was kicked out of the baptist association a good while back.

also, confederate flags and hate have nothing to do with religion. there are plenty of people around where i live who have confederate flags because that's just in their heritage and they don't actually hate anybody.
in case you haven't noticed there's a whole lot of non religious people who are haters too and just because someone says they're something doesn't mean they actually are. actions speak louder than words yea?
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My_Little_Brony wrote:

The part about picking and choosing was the amusing English fellow who said something like "there are bigger things than whatever" which is true, but he was trying to section and proportion the doctrine of the Christian belief.


I wanted to quote this one more time to bring up another condemning factor here. Another illustrative reason that their argument does not make sense.

There is plenty within the bible that would just be plain illegal or primitive, such as beating and stoning women, or the condemnation of children to being fed to wild animals...

I'm going to doubt that these men live by those parts of the bible. So what? Aren't they placing bigger weight on certain parts of the bible too? Except the difference here, is they place a bigger weight on the parts that brew hate, where as Russell is addressing that it would be more beneficial to mankind if maybe they saw fit to put more weight on the ones that brew love.

There's pretty much no legitimate way to defend how these men choose to fight for their beliefs.


yea westboro bends a lot of stuff to fit their wants and a lot of the things they protest don't even make sense... like friggin' comic-con and the funerals of the elementary kids who were killed in that shooting.

actually just because stoning people was in the bible doesn't mean the bible says go stone people. that was the way things were in the culture at the time. they were a lot more strict about certain things and stoning was just the old school, less reliable, lethal injection and wasn't gender specific. jesus and some of the apostles were stoned a few times.
jesus stopped a woman from being stoned. you know telling the crowd "let the one without sin cast the first stone" and all that so if anything the bible says not to stone or condemn anybody.

i don't really remember the bit about feeding children to wild animals thing.
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I think the most impressive thing about homosexuality discussions is the number of completely irrelevant arguments that are made for or against it.

If it's natural, well, so is rape and murder. If it's unnatural, well, so is installing pacemakers, or performing c-sections. It has no bearing on whether or not the behavior is allowable.

And so what if they're born with a genetic predisposition toward being attracted to the same sex? I'm attracted to Emma Watson, but that doesn't mean I'm sleeping with her.

It becomes a much simpler debate when it just focuses on what's so destructive about choosing to have homosexual relationships.
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