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Why didn't Guilty Crown get the same success as Sword Art Online and Attack on Titan?
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Posted 8/18/13
I enjoyed GC more than SAO. Not sure why but it gives me lots of feelings. Ending was't what i would expect from the author who made attack on titans if I'm correct.
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Posted 8/18/13
I also enjoyed GC over SAO...in fact I haven't even finished SAO. I'm still on episode 17 Attack on titan, though, is quite amazing; find it better than GC. Except for music, that undoubtedly goes to GC.
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I feel Guilty Crown tried to achieve too much in its 2 course single season.
The story felt like it was all over the place and the character development wasn't well played out.

It's extremely disappointing when I think about it because I really liked the character designs and the whole idea.
The first course\arc went well and could of had a great continuation with it's second but it just went haywire and the things that happened and why they happened was completely lame.

The only positive thing I can look back at Guilty Crown and think of is it's music. Supercell did an amazing job at making the sound tracks.

I'm not crazy about SAO but Guilty Crown was the biggest disappointment compared to SAO.
Attack on Titan is in another league story wise and animation wise as well. Though since it's still airing anything is possible with a slip up.
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Posted 8/18/13
The only thing GC had going for it was the music. SAO had good music too imo, but both lacked serious character development and originality. SAO turned into second rate harem fodder complete with the irritatingly perfect protagonist. All three are extremely hyped though. But I feel that SnK is slightly more deserving of this hype than the other two. I enjoy SnK's plot, characters and the music is pretty good. Nothing like GC's music obviously, but it plays well with the genre and what it's trying to achieve. At least SnK brings something new to the table. Like any season blockbuster though, it's getting over hyped and rated masterpiece before it's even finished. I personally never rate a show until It's over. Case and point - Magi. If I would've rated it from the first half impressions it'd have been pretty high. The latter half.. not so much. People need to calm their respective chest parts and give a show some time before putting it in that "Godtier" of animu. But that's just my two cents my lovely sis.

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Posted 8/18/13
nothing can beat SAO. Its the perfect anime
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Posted 8/18/13
far less badassery in GC than Attack on Titan, and in SAO, who doesnt love the idea of some kickass virtual world? and they did it far better than .hack ever could. GC is good, just got beat out by the better. and i didnt really like the weaponing or power or whatever in GC, although it was pretty funny how it knocked everyone out
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I disliked guilty crown overall, there were some good parts but my thinking is when there are far better anime that I have watched so why use precious brain space to keep information about GC. I guess mainly the the lead character of GC (don't know what his name is) was a pussy the entire show, well almost the entire show, I'm sure many will disagree saying it was due to the circumstance he was in or something but I don't care. If you enjoyed the show though that's cool not trying to change anyone mind.
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Personally, I think that both SAO and GC took themselves WAY too seriously. GC lacked in likeable characters, which is a big turnoff for most people, and the plot for GC went all over the place in the second half. Now, that's not to say that SAO didn't have a crappy second half, which it did, but SAO had a fairly driven plot. There were holes all over the place, but the story remained intact and relatively plausible. And by plausible, I mean that it didn't make a lot of weird jumps. GC just kind of ran in different directions and expected you to follow it without question. Back to the characters though, Shu was a completely and thoroughly unlikable lead. He was pissy and whiny and simply didn't hold the interest that he was supposed to. Kirito, while he did have miracle syndrome and was extremely overpowered, was more likable. What guy wouldn't want to be some badass untouchable hero in a game? Nobody strives to be a whiny pissy kid.

Timing was also a factor. GC aired in October, which is the start of the fall season. Fall is the time when a lot of TV shows start to air their new seasons. GC slotted itself in during a desirable time, when people are watching the new seasons of their favorite shows, so GC had a chance for exposure. However, SAO aired during the summer, when there was not a lot of competition to be the blockbuster with all the hype. SAO was the standout show of the summer season and had plenty of standalone exposure. GC simply was not a standout.

In the end though, it comes down to preference and timing.
Posted 8/19/13 , edited 8/19/13
Keyword: Recommendation, Recommendation, Recommendation

Why was SAO and AOT popular? Because people kept recommending it, people recommended SAO because it's alot like Twilight and people really like that stuff. They also recommended it EARLY in the series because they THOUGHT the show was going to be original, and of course, it wasn't.

People recommended Attack On Titan because it has giants and people kicking Giant asses.

People didn't recommend Guilty Crown because most people think it's standard stuff that many anime fans have seen over and over again, SAO was clever in having the beginning give the illusion of an original anime and then turning into marketable garbage with Lolis, Tentacle rape damsels in distress, villains that are evil for no reason, bland 1 dimensional romance with 1 dimensional characters with 1 dimensional dialogue, and no good plot whatsoever. Shit to just sell sell sell.

Personally, there was NO investment for me to watch any of the three anime. I only got to episode 3 of Guilty Crown because it really didn't have much investment, people weren't talking about it much, so it was easier to drop

I got to episode 14 of SAO because despite being heavily recommended, I kinda noticed that the reasons why people like SAO and hate SAO are the reasons why people Love Twilight and Hate Twilight. And Personally, I hate Twilight, and therefore I hate SAO

I'm watching Attack On Titan and won't stop because it's pretty mediocre and alot of people are talking about it and recommending it

From history, I personally think that short anime succeed by recommendation, if people don't feel like they want to recommend it, there's something wrong with it or people don't feel like recommending it, but notice that the trend is "Recommendations = success" An anime's success is by who tells who about it, that's how it spreads. People tell other people about anime because they think it's going to be good.
Posted 8/19/13

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nothing can beat SAO. Its the perfect anime


I didn't realize Perfect anime had no plot or 3 dimensional characters. I still remember when that tentacle monster attacked Asuna, wasn't that a perfect moment that had so much meaning and relevance? Screw Lelouche's speeches or Gurren Lagann's message of hope and progress. perfect anime has pointless tentacle rape, Lolis, little sister cliches, and millions of pointless plot points and characters.
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Guilty Crown feel apart shortly before the mid way point.

The main character is generic, and his motivational thought process absurd. A bevy a uselss characters given face time, inori has as much personality as a potato, and has no cause to be enraptured with shu when she confessed.

sword art online is scarcely better. the first episode looked like it was going places, but that ended with random filler oddly thrown in the middle, and the unrealisticness of the rpg.

Then the second season. The second season of sword art online was a poorly paced, poorly written, anti climatic, far too shounen abomination. It especially took a crap on the cast by taking one of the titular characters and transforming her into a walking talking plot device like Kairi ala Kingdom Hearts. I hereby dub it the new Super Mario Brothers movie. It should not be named nor brought up ever again.
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Posted 8/19/13

The report got cleared.
Well obviously, since anyone with a brain would know
this thread is different from the one that is the supposed to be "original" thread
posted earlier..



Let me add something:

Guilty Crown has no replay value.
When I saw it, I though it was okay.
2 years later, it's like this ugh virus
that I never want to see again.
I mean, what's up with that?

I hate SAO but even I think that has a replay value.
Why? Because it was at least enjoyable to watch.


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Production I.G. has a rather odd reputation for me.

They are well known for their amazing animation, that's the selling point of the studio. What they fail at however, is story telling, especially prolonged storytelling.

Anime is produced episode by episode, and the initial episodes can vastly differ between the ending, as you can see. Guilty Crown has no clue where it's going throughout it's showing, but every set piece, action sequence, and the music along with it was perfect. Yet those are only superficial parts of a greater experience, the story.

The vast majority of Production I.G.'s anime have a tendency to go off rail, and that's where we get problems.

The second half of Blue Exorcist has killed that show, if One Piece was handled by I.G., it would have been canceled before they got to the grand line. The first half of SAO was AMAZING, it's opening 3 episodes riding perfectly into a great experience, but those first 3 should have been a first 10 or 20, as the entire second half was Prodution I.G. padding for time....and that killed SAO as well, Fishing episodes and pointless duels and crazy relationships, it feels as tho they realized they messed up, and had to move into the Second-World really fast, as the Ending to the first arc was super rushed, JUST to introduce Kirito's Sister...who I think saved the show, for all of 4 episodes. What could have been two amazing seasons turned into one mess of wasted potential.

Director Tesuro Araki has a line of failed endings, which include Death Note might I add!

If you put Tesuro Araki in chair and expect a good story, he's going to let you down.

But now he's directing Attack on Titan, which already has a pretty amazing Manga running around.

And this lets him SHINE. Take a look at the manga for Attack on Titan then back to the Anime. Anywhere the Manga Artist failed to make epic enough, Tesuro makes MORE AWESOME. The scene of Mikasa giving up in the Manga is quickly turned into an epic last stand. What looked to be a Bleach-Clone boring "i'm a titan" reveal in the Manga turned into a Falcon Punch of Manliness. A girly backhand into a Brighto Slap!

What Tesuro has is solid openings, great animation, and an eye for the epicness a series should have. He was given a good Story (Attack on Titan) and told to animate it, and Attack on Titan is just PERFECT for I.G.

Guilty Crown has lack luster characters, and amazing moments. Since the audience failed to connect with the characters, the Drama turned into Melodrama, and ruined it.

And I.G. had a tendency to steal things from other series, and fail to make them better. If you're going to steal do it right! Gai is not Griffith, no matter how much he wants to be, just go watch Berserk if you want an epic leader. And Kirito is not Guts, and you know that! Guts is the black Swordsman, he's a badass, and his friends got murdered, so take your episode 2 and shove it! And don't get me started on that almost-rape on your girl, Guts had his actually raped, that's like, Star Wars Episode 1 worse.

Then you have GC's main character, another "Generic Brown-haired boy" who's ability to try and be Shinji Ikari is limited by how much he wants to be cool like Amuro Ray. YOU CAN'T BE BADASS AND LAME AT THE SAME TIME, Vash can, but you can't man! Pick one! Hell, just stand up for yourself!

Guilty Crown had a vast pool of Side Characters that they failed to use, from Fake-Char Clone, the Copy Band of the Hawk, Asuka in a Wheelchair, Generic Loli-girl without a real name, and of course, You don't remember your own past WITH bonus Incest alert! At least Inori was more than a Rei clone, by the end....kinda....I mean, she was a....you know, nevermind. She was like Rei more than I remembered, actually fitting all the Rei clone identifiers.

Guilty Crown fell back on Tropes near it's middle to end portion, which was a shame as it limited what they could do. It had a REALLY good opening set of episodes, but felt episodic the moment they started playing "find the super-powered weapon" every episode.


and this still bugs me, YOUR FRIEND HAD A MASTER KEY IN THE SHAPE OF A CAMERA, HOW IS THAT USELESS? WHY WOULD YOU BE MEAN TO YOUR FRIEND WHEN HE HAS A MASTER FREAKING KEY! GO TAKE A PICTURE AT A DOOR AND OPEN IT, WHO CARE IF HE CAN'T OPEN JACK-CRAP WITH IT? USE THE CAMERA YOURSLEF YOU IDIOT, THAT CROSSBOW DIDN'T DO JACK, BUT YOUR BEST FRIENDS CAMERA INSTA-DELETED THE BADGUYS ARM IN THE LAST EPISODE, IT'S THAT AMAZING AND YOU IGNORED IT FOR 10ISH EPISODES YOU DAMNED PRICK. A SKELETON KEY, THAT OPENS ANYTHING YOU WANT TO OPEN, WALLS TURN INTO DOORS WITH THAT THING WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID!

yeah, as you can see, I had some major pet peeves with Guilty Crown. Mostly because it SHOULD and COULD have been better.
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I didn't realize Perfect anime had no plot or 3 dimensional characters. I still remember when that tentacle monster attacked Asuna, wasn't that a perfect moment that had so much meaning and relevance? Screw Lelouche's speeches or Gurren Lagann's message of hope and progress. perfect anime has pointless tentacle rape, Lolis, little sister cliches, and millions of pointless plot points and characters.




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*thinks*

The right show at the wrong time, perhaps? Quite a number of potentially popular shows have failed to find an audience in the past, never mind how much hype and marketing they had behind them. (Insert an example of your choice here.) Titan? Right show, right time.

(And as an aside to Felstalker: Big bonus points for that Gundam ZZ avatar.)
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