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Am I the only person in the world who hates tsunderes?
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Wait, does Shizuku from My Little Monster count as tsundere? Cause I didn't hate her entirely (in-as-much as I didn't hate the rest of the main characters for flip-flopping more than a right-wing politician).
She's more of a Dandere then a Tsundere. Dandere being someone who is normally dispassionate but occasionally lets their romantic side out. Generally speaking when she is in her "not interested in romance" mode she isn't, by default, hostile towards Haru at all unless he does something that would piss a non Tsundere off anyhow.
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So am I the only person here who hates watching tsunderes? Because it seems like it.

I just don't see the appeal. I mean, I like to watch a character do things and accomplish stuff and overcome adversity and all that malarkey, and every time I see a tsundere come on screen, I just want to beat them with a can of 'Grow-A-Pair' and see if some spills out.

I ESPECIALLY despise the tsunderes that beat the life out of the MC for no reason. I mean, are they mentally deficient? I don't get it.

So please, someone explain to me why the whole community is infatuated with girls that just sit around bitching and moaning that the MC didn't read their mind.


I, pretty much, feel the same way, although hate is too strong a word.. more like.. abrasive, in an unpleasant sandpaper toilet-tissue kind'a way. Maybe I'm just too "delicate" to see the appeal or hidden endearment.

I've always wondered if a thriving "tsundere & partner" relationship is a form of BSM.
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I just think that every single tsundere character is a complete hit or miss. There's a chance that they are done well and I might end up absolutely falling in love with them. But then there's the chance that the opposite will occur: that they're done bad. And when they are done bad they're extremely detestable.
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Posted 8/20/13

AsahinaInu wrote:


M1keymike1 wrote:


Wait, does Shizuku from My Little Monster count as tsundere? Cause I didn't hate her entirely (in-as-much as I didn't hate the rest of the main characters for flip-flopping more than a right-wing politician).
She's more of a Dandere then a Tsundere. Dandere being someone who is normally dispassionate but occasionally lets their romantic side out. Generally speaking when she is in her "not interested in romance" mode she isn't, by default, hostile towards Haru at all unless he does something that would piss a non Tsundere off anyhow.


I'm clearly behind the times, the only -deres I know are yandere (my favorite) and tsundere.

Its hard keeping up with you kids and you darned lingo.
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I just think that every single tsundere character is a complete hit or miss. There's a chance that they are done well and I might end up absolutely falling in love with them. But then there's the chance that the opposite will occur: that they're done bad. And when they are done bad they're extremely detestable.


That's kind of how I'm feeling. Like, between Taiga from Toradora and whats-her-face from Baka To Test, I hate one and love the other, but they're both tsundere.

Edit: Flip that around; Love Taiga, fuck that other chick
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I hate them, too, don't worry. Actually, most people that I know hate them.
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M1keymike1 wrote:

I'm clearly behind the times, the only -deres I know are yandere (my favorite) and tsundere.

Its hard keeping up with you kids and you darned lingo.
Lol I'm in my 30's but hey. All the -dere type terms are portmanteau's of two descriptive words anyway. There's quite a few terms out there and new ones periodically pop up as old terms aren't always quite right for describing a particular character. For instance Tsundere specifically refers to a cold and hostile character(Tsun-tsun: turning away in disgust), that when opened up becomes loving(dere-dere: lovey dovey), so if a character is not hostile but standoffish for some other reason they technically aren't a tsundere. Likewise, yandere are lovestruck(once again dere dere:lovey dovey) characters that become mentally sick(yanderu-mental illness), so if their crazy murderous moodswings aren't caused by obsessive love but some other factor they aren't yandere but rather yangire(combination of yanderu:mentally ill, kireru:losing your temper) or something of the like.



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Mikey435 wrote:

I just think that every single tsundere character is a complete hit or miss. There's a chance that they are done well and I might end up absolutely falling in love with them. But then there's the chance that the opposite will occur: that they're done bad. And when they are done bad they're extremely detestable.


That's kind of how I'm feeling. Like, between Taiga from Toradora and whats-her-face from Baka To Test, I hate one and love the other, but they're both tsundere.

Edit: Flip that around; Love Taiga, fuck that other chick


I think the reason people like Taiga is that she isn't a trope for the sake of being a trope like many tsundere. In fact despite the fact that she is frequently both tsun tsun as well as dere dere, she is very rarely a typical "trope tsundere" if you are paying attention. While most tsundere's seem to be irrational bipolar people that can't express their feelings and constantly flip flop, she is for the most part actually very honest with her feelings, often to a fault, when she actually realizes them herself.

She never treats Kitamura in anything but a dere dere fashion throughout the entire show, and you have to remember that her initial horrid attitude with Ryuji doesn't have a damn thing to do with her not being able to express some sort of hidden crush. In fact the only real times she is tsundere in the show is any interaction she has dealing with her father, and during the mid later half of the show when she finally realizes how she feels but puts up a front to protect Minorin.

Once she realizes how she feels you can actually see her tsun tsun demeanor start to rapidly fade. In fact she more closely fits the "The progression of a character personality from cold and hostile to eventually displaying their warm and loving side." definition of tsundere rather than the most commonly used bipolar abusive version of the word. Probably another reason people like her is that the one way transition is character development rather than, character stagnation through waffling back and forth.

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M1keymike1 wrote:

I'm clearly behind the times, the only -deres I know are yandere (my favorite) and tsundere.

Its hard keeping up with you kids and you darned lingo.
Lol I'm in my 30's but hey. All the -dere type terms are portmanteau's of two descriptive words anyway. There's quite a few terms out there and new ones periodically pop up as old terms aren't always quite right for describing a particular character. For instance Tsundere specifically refers to a cold and hostile character(Tsun-tsun: turning away in disgust), that when opened up becomes loving(dere-dere: lovey dovey), so if a character is not hostile but standoffish for some other reason they technically aren't a tsundere. Likewise, yandere are lovestruck(once again dere dere:lovey dovey) characters that become mentally sick(yanderu-mental illness), so if their crazy murderous moodswings aren't caused by obsessive love but some other factor they aren't yandere but rather yangire(combination of yanderu:mentally ill, kireru:losing your temper) or something of the like.



M1keymike1 wrote:


Mikey435 wrote:

I just think that every single tsundere character is a complete hit or miss. There's a chance that they are done well and I might end up absolutely falling in love with them. But then there's the chance that the opposite will occur: that they're done bad. And when they are done bad they're extremely detestable.


That's kind of how I'm feeling. Like, between Taiga from Toradora and whats-her-face from Baka To Test, I hate one and love the other, but they're both tsundere.

Edit: Flip that around; Love Taiga, fuck that other chick


I think the reason people like Taiga is that she isn't a trope for the sake of being a trope like many tsundere. In fact despite the fact that she is frequently both tsun tsun as well as dere dere, she is very rarely a typical "trope tsundere" if you are paying attention. While most tsundere's seem to be irrational bipolar people that can't express their feelings and constantly flip flop, she is for the most part actually very honest with her feelings, often to a fault, when she actually realizes them herself.

She never treats Kitamura in anything but a dere dere fashion throughout the entire show, and you have to remember that her initial horrid attitude with Ryuji doesn't have a damn thing to do with her not being able to express some sort of hidden crush. In fact the only real times she is tsundere in the show is any interaction she has dealing with her father, and during the mid later half of the show when she finally realizes how she feels but puts up a front to protect Minorin.

Once she realizes how she feels you can actually see her tsun tsun demeanor start to rapidly fade. In fact she more closely fits the "The progression of a character personality from cold and hostile to eventually displaying their warm and loving side." definition of tsundere rather than the most commonly used bipolar abusive version of the word. Probably another reason people like her is that the one way transition is character development rather than, character stagnation through waffling back and forth.



So the long and short of it is I just like well-written characters and not shitty generic ones?

Fair enough.
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I hate them, too, don't worry. Actually, most people that I know hate them.


And now so too do I!
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Some tsunderes are enjoyable like the red head in Oreshura.
But overall, I think the archetype is so overused that it seems recycled.
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M1keymike1 wrote:

So the long and short of it is I just like well-written characters and not shitty generic ones?

Fair enough.
That's a succinct way of putting it.

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I'm a big fan of Male Tsundere's.


OR just Ranma 1/2, who's both the Male and Female example.

I mean seriously, he constantly reminds Akane that everything nice he does isn't for her.

Ranma's Catchphrase is essentially "IT's not like I wanted to save you or anything, I just have to beat that guy up cuz he's a jerk"

The fact that he's trying to Suitor Akana surely has nothing to do with it, right?

Outside of that, most Tsundere's don't work, as they're generic. It's a character requiring further development. You can't be Tsun and Dere at the same time, it takes some damn work! As everybody said. Undeveloped Tsundere's are random bipolar girls instead of hard outside soft inside ones.

The male version is often called "Jerk with a Heart of Gold"

but that's boring.
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are you kidding me??

any guy with a low tolerance for chick drama DESPISES tsundere
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rebuild_eva01 wrote:

Some tsunderes are enjoyable like the red head in Oreshura.
But overall, I think the archetype is so overused that it seems recycled.


God, I tried to watch Oreshura, but it HURT. It must have taken years of my life trying to force myself to watch the beginning. Dropped it like a hot uranium potato.
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