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SPOILERS: A thought about the end of Fullmetal Alchemist:Brotherhood..
Posted 8/22/13 , edited 8/22/13
Well first, let me say this. HOLY SHIT, I LOVE THIS ANIME!!!!!! Now that I have vented that, I have just finished the ending of Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and while it was one of THE GREATEST ANIME I HAVE EVER WATCHED, there was one thing about the ending that struck a cord that I'm sure other people noticed, but I want to mention.

LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT, FOR ME, THE ENDING COULD NOT BE MORE PERFECT. I DO NOT WANT IT TO CHANGE AT ALL.

Now then, in an analytical view of the ending only, Ed didn't need to lose his alchemy. His father offered his life to bring back Al, but Ed refused and gave up his alchemy instead to bring him back. But Hohenhiem died anyway which means Ed could have used his father's life to bring back Al and still keep his alchemy.

Now I know that Ed had no way of knowing that his father would die, but I still thought it was a sad and slightly dark twist to the ending.

Everything else about the show was damn near perfect. I am feeling the void more and more as the day goes on.

Thoughts?
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nikovercelletto wrote:

Well first, let me say this. HOLY SHIT, I LOVE THIS ANIME!!!!!! Now that I have vented that, I have just finished the ending of Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood and while it was one of THE GREATEST ANIME I HAVE EVER WATCHED, there was one thing about the ending that struck a cord that I'm sure other people noticed, but I want to mention.

LET ME PREFACE THIS BY SAYING THAT, FOR ME, THE ENDING COULD NOT BE MORE PERFECT. I DO NOT WANT IT TO CHANGE AT ALL.

Now then, in an analytical view of the ending only, Ed didn't need to lose his alchemy. His father offered his life to bring back Al, but Ed refused and gave up his alchemy instead to bring him back. But Hohenhiem died anyway which means could have used his life to bring back Al and still keep his alchemy.

Now I know that Ed had no way of knowing that his father would die, but I still thought it was a sad and slightly dark twist to the ending.

Everything else about the show was damn near perfect. I am feeling the void more and more as the day goes on.

Thoughts?


I loved FMA brotherhood, Its among the 5 things i have rated 10/10 on MAL. Everything was perfect from the music to the animation. Even the english dub was good and i hate english dubs.

Easily top 5 of all time
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brothers set out to get their stuff back

brothers did that at the end

equivalent trade

*remember the talk he had with the other side

people depended on alchemy too much
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Posted 8/22/13 , edited 8/22/13
First series was better. Shame it seems like you missed that one.

You thought Brotherhood had a "dark twist" of an ending? Seriously? It really doesn't get much chipper than that ending.
Posted 8/22/13 , edited 8/22/13

zipzo wrote:

First series was better. Shame it seems like you missed that one.

You thought Brotherhood had a "dark twist" of an ending? Seriously? It really doesn't get much chipper than that ending.


Just the one point that I mentioned I thought was dark. Everything else was as happy as an anime ending could be. And no, I didn't missed the first one. I marathoned both series straight through, watching the original first.

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Depends what you want out of your anime but IMO...

FMA:B = More action, nonsense plot, awful dialogue (in the dub it's even worse because of low-par voice acting), and a stupidly happy ending to top all of it off. Some cool characters not existent in the first series like Ling and shadow Pride, however some characters are done worse like Scar. First 1/3 of the series is rushed to all hell and back. Humor is often misplaced or needless.

FMA = Less focus on action, more focus on the themes of equivalent exchange & human life/morality. More intricate and delicately woven plot that suffers a bit from being extraneous but the ideas implemented are original none-the-less. A way more "intelligent" execution with an interesting ending. A lot less humor. Lacks a good Wrath. More interesting backstories for both scar, mustang, and the homunculus.

In general, FMA:B is the "fun" and casual one. The original is for the more...seinen (if you will) types. The original accomplishes a much more serious tone.

They both have their pros and cons but IMO the original series hits your heart way more effectively and way more often than FMA:B. Many of the identical scenes side by side are roughly embarrassing to compare between the two (in favor of the 2003 series). And there are just too many worthless nothing-fluff characters in FMA:B for my liking (typical of a manga though).
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Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is easily one of the best animes I ever watched. It is probably the only anime that I actually watched to completion at least 5 times within the course of a month (a bit obsessive, I know, but the show was just that awesome).

I feel the reason that Ed didn't choose to sacrifice Hohenheim was because he didn't want to live with killing another human being to fulfill his own goals, even if that person was his own 'deadbeat' father who he absolutely despised. We don't really know if Ed knew that he would soon die or not, as since alchemy is such a sophisticated concept and we don't really know the full extent of Ed's knowledge of it. I think it would have been an even darker ending if Ed had sacrificed Hohenheim, and instead by sacrificing his alchemy, he is able to live a more normal life.

Hohenheim dying at the end, although tragic, was also a nice way to top off the anime. Hohenheim had lived for a very long time, and he knew that he would eventually have to suffer through the deaths of all of his loved ones. He died while he was with the one person he cared about the most, and he is now eternally with her, so he was content with his fate.

In my honest opinion, Brotherhood is immensely better than the original series in every way imaginable.
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zipzo wrote:

Depends what you want out of your anime but IMO...

FMA:B = More action, nonsense plot, awful dialogue (in the dub it's even worse because of low-par voice acting), and a stupidly happy ending to top all of it off. Some cool characters not existent in the first series like Ling and shadow Pride, however some characters are done worse like Scar. First 1/3 of the series is rushed to all hell and back. Humor is often misplaced or needless.

FMA = Less focus on action, more focus on the themes of equivalent exchange & human life/morality. More intricate and delicately woven plot that suffers a bit from being extraneous but the ideas implemented are original none-the-less. A way more "intelligent" execution with an interesting ending. A lot less humor. Lacks a good Wrath. More interesting backstories for both scar, mustang, and the homunculus.

In general, FMA:B is the "fun" and casual one. The original is for the more...seinen (if you will) types. The original accomplishes a much more serious tone.

They both have their pros and cons but IMO the original series hits your heart way more effectively and way more often than FMA:B. Many of the identical scenes side by side are roughly embarrassing to compare between the two (in favor of the 2003 series). And there are just too many worthless nothing-fluff characters in FMA:B for my liking (typical of a manga though).


Agreed.

FMA:B is cool, action-packed, and epic. A great watch, but the story is just so straightforward and a little on the stupid side. Lookin' at you floaty black eyeball thing! And they all lived happily ever after. Brotherhood was fun, but that's all.

The original FMA anime had a much more interesting story, with better twists, and was a better experience overall. A really great anime.

Following the manga isn't always best, it is certainly possible to have enjoyable anime original stories.

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Oh, an FMA discussion. If you want my two cents, I think Brotherhood had the better ending, because "Conqueror of Shamballah" or whatever was a bit........stupid. Now, granted, it's not that bad for a filler ending, but compared to the actual manga/Brotherhood ending, it seriously pales in comparison. Also:

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Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood is easily one of the best animes I ever watched. It is probably the only anime that I actually watched to completion at least 5 times within the course of a month (a bit obsessive, I know, but the show was just that awesome).

I feel the reason that Ed didn't choose to sacrifice Hohenheim was because he didn't want to live with killing another human being to fulfill his own goals, even if that person was his own 'deadbeat' father who he absolutely despised. We don't really know if Ed knew that he would soon die or not, as since alchemy is such a sophisticated concept and we don't really know the full extent of Ed's knowledge of it. I think it would have been an even darker ending if Ed had sacrificed Hohenheim, and instead by sacrificing his alchemy, he is able to live a more normal life.

Hohenheim dying at the end, although tragic, was also a nice way to top off the anime. Hohenheim had lived for a very long time, and he knew that he would eventually have to suffer through the deaths of all of his loved ones. He died while he was with the one person he cared about the most, and he is now eternally with her, so he was content with his fate.

In my honest opinion, Brotherhood is immensely better than the original series in every way imaginable.


Honestly...in the past I would just argue this to the verge of pointlessness in that Brotherhood is inferior in almost every way due to being a hallow shell of an anime, a simple and cheap attempt to scrape peoples wallets by slapping the manga on to your television...

But I think I've emerged on to a different plane of understanding for it recently. They are just two different kinds of anime that cater to two different types of viewers. Even though they use the same source material, the same characters, and the same general story (for the most part), they have largely different agendas and effectively different motives in their presentation.

There's really no sense in comparing the two, apples and oranges really. FMA is in its own league, while FMA:B does fine with what it sets out to do.

It's no mystery happenstance that narutards tend to fall in line with FMA:B more so than the original though, doesn't really do FMA:B much justice.


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One of the things about Shamballah that was pretty dumb was the idea of "nukes are bad, because they kill people". You know what also kills people? Tomatoes. Everyone up until at least the year 1900 that ate a tomato has died. So what will Ed do next? Talk down the Vegetable Merchant? After seeing "Sacred Star of Milos", I would be surprised if he didn't in the near future.


Aside from the fact that your analogy makes no sense at all, Sacred star of milos is part of the brotherhood canon, FYI.
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if you think he should have done that then you missed the entire point of the series
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Overall, I would agree. Yes, Brotherhood has the better ending. The ending of the original series (including the movie) was pretty unsatisfying and actually seemed a tragic to me. But maybe that's just because I was expecting a more conventional ending.

Now, as for what gets us to the ending, well...that's a whole different story. The original series had a much more terrifying and interesting origin for the homunculi; however, Dante, imo, was not a very interesting villain with a not very interesting backstory. But the death of Pride in the original via Mustang...that was epic.

However, I like the dwarf in the bottle as the villain much better. The implications of his origin and subsequent lust for power are fascinating. And the use of the homunculi as actual manifestations of human vice is really not too bad of a creation story for them. Furthermore, I totally disagree with calling the plot anything like "nonsense."

Thematically, I don't think you can really say that either series tops the other. They both deal with the same themes.

We all already know why the first section of FMA:B was rushed. It's unfortunate, but not as big a deal as people say. You can't tell me that leaving out episodes like Siren and the other Elric brothers was a crushing blow to the emotion of the story.

In the end, I do think Brotherhood is the better series overall, with a better ending.
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Posted 8/22/13 , edited 8/22/13

zipzo wrote:

In general, FMA:B is the "fun" and casual one. The original is for the more...seinen (if you will) types. The original accomplishes a much more serious tone.

They both have their pros and cons but IMO the original series hits your heart way more effectively and way more often than FMA:B. Many of the identical scenes side by side are roughly embarrassing to compare between the two (in favor of the 2003 series). And there are just too many worthless nothing-fluff characters in FMA:B for my liking (typical of a manga though).


Considering Full Metal Alchemist was published in a shounen magazine, that's kind of appropriate.

I do agree the rehashed material was a bit rushed, but it was important to get to the previously manga-only material as quickly as possible.



Oh, and there were a helluva lot more characters in the original series that had little, or absolutely no, impact on the plot.
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Posted 8/22/13 , edited 8/22/13

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Overall, I would agree. Yes, Brotherhood has the better ending. The ending of the original series (including the movie) was pretty unsatisfying and actually seemed a tragic to me. But maybe that's just because I was expecting a more conventional ending.

Now, as for what gets us to the ending, well...that's a whole different story. The original series had a much more terrifying and interesting origin for the homunculi; however, Dante, imo, was not a very interesting villain with a not very interesting backstory. But the death of Pride in the original via Mustang...that was epic.


I really think this is an often misunderstood concept of the original series. Dante maybe the "final boss" in the show but she actually by no means the main villain of the show. In my opinion what makes the original more thought provoking is that the real enemy in the first one is that of equivalent exchange. Everything that happens to the brothers, all of the tragedy throughout the entire series, can pretty much be attributed to that of the effects of EE.

"Better" ending is pretty dang subjective, I would actually think most people would prefer imperfect endings, not similar to FMA:B.


However, I like the dwarf in the bottle as the villain much better. The implications of his origin and subsequent lust for power are fascinating. And the use of the homunculi as actual manifestations of human vice is really not too bad of a creation story for them. Furthermore, I totally disagree with calling the plot anything like "nonsense."


Well yeah, the thing about FMA:B is that they actually have a main overall villain for everything. The original series is more a conglomeration of events that befalls the brothers as a result of their search for the Philosopher Stone. The original series didn't create nor have the need for a main "I will take over the world" villain (which is just so typical). To be honest, the ending to Brotherhood is indefensibly dumb. He turns in to God, just to have that power immediately redacted from him by a plan Hoenheim had in the works since the very beginning, then he slowly gets just gets beaten up until he dissolves over the course of an episode. It renders most if not all of the series events pointless for the brothers.


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Considering Full Metal Alchemist was published in a shounen magazine, that's kind of appropriate.


No argument from me there. This is true. That's a big part of the reason I like the original series though, they went for something different instead of "the usual".


I do agree the rehashed material was a bit rushed, but it was important to get to the previously manga-only material as quickly as possible.


There is no excuse in the world that makes their sloppy seconds version of the first quarter of the series acceptable in modern day anime, so don't even try.




Oh, and there were a helluva lot more characters in the original series that had little, or absolutely no, impact on the plot.


Uhm...yeah that's not true at all. Both points.

Pretty much every single plot point Brotherhood covered that the original also covered suffered. It was criminally weaker across the board in its presentation in comparison.

It's only when it starts getting to the manga-exclusive material the series even begins to feel tolerable to watch, like you're not watching some kind of rip-off.
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zipzo wrote:

Depends what you want out of your anime but IMO...

FMA:B = More action, nonsense plot, awful dialogue (in the dub it's even worse because of low-par voice acting), and a stupidly happy ending to top all of it off. Some cool characters not existent in the first series like Ling and shadow Pride, however some characters are done worse like Scar. First 1/3 of the series is rushed to all hell and back. Humor is often misplaced or needless.

FMA = Less focus on action, more focus on the themes of equivalent exchange & human life/morality. More intricate and delicately woven plot that suffers a bit from being extraneous but the ideas implemented are original none-the-less. A way more "intelligent" execution with an interesting ending. A lot less humor. Lacks a good Wrath. More interesting backstories for both scar, mustang, and the homunculus.

In general, FMA:B is the "fun" and casual one. The original is for the more...seinen (if you will) types. The original accomplishes a much more serious tone.

They both have their pros and cons but IMO the original series hits your heart way more effectively and way more often than FMA:B. Many of the identical scenes side by side are roughly embarrassing to compare between the two (in favor of the 2003 series). And there are just too many worthless nothing-fluff characters in FMA:B for my liking (typical of a manga though).


FMA: Brotherhood: yes 1st 1/3 was rushed, but we knew the story until it diverged anyways, so I can let that pass. I don't like dubs so that point is moot (and if you watch a bad dub, you deserve it for watching a dub!) WAY BETTER CHARACTERS. General Armstrong was amazing in FMA: Brotherhood. She was totally kick-ass awesome!

FMA: I thought it was good until i saw Brotherhood. I had never read the manga so I just have to take peoples word that Brotherhood was more faithful to it. The homunculus(s) were done WAY worse. To me the "bad guys" need to be done just as good if not better for an anime to be really good. (Crappy "villains" are also teh reason why I don't like a certain well loved anime, season 2)

In general FMA:Brotherhood is far superior in every way except ART, and that is totally unacceptable as to the time difference and advances made since 2003. FMA is a good watch to get up PUMPED for Brotherhood. As such it should be seen as a primer, and dropped half-way through before the homunculus are just turned into a pale bad imitation.
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