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Mods, please close this thread. It's really bad.
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Posted 8/23/13

ArchAngelVergilMicah wrote:

Durr durr durr... I like to contradict myself because I uhhh.. well... I am everything including the kitchen sink! Take that, you simpleton! Because you know, no one is superior.


No one would be a simpleton if no one was intellectually superior, almighty dumbass.
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I don't want to close a thread just because of a few people. Please stop with the back and forth insults that add nothing to discussion. Things went well for the first couple of pages, so I know it's not impossible.
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Doryphoros wrote:

I've heard that Satan is the master of lies and stuff.. apparently he grows stronger from hatred and anything else relatively perceived as bad.. So some people say that Satan created God and different complex's of God so people would hate Satan.. consequently Satan's power grows due to all these negative feeling's directed towards him.. What do you think of this... maybe god is just something built around human ideal's or a scheme of the devil.. idk, a lot of things in existentialism come up with thought provoking question's about god i think this is on par with them so this is worth posting a reply to.... one of my fav's is “God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?”― Friedrich Nietzsche


I think your fundamentally misinterpreting the role of god in existential philosophy. Existentialism is the belief that we are the primary acting agents of the world and our actions, inevitably stem from us. For the most part they question, and ultimately deny that god controls our actions. Rather that either we make up our minds because god has given us free will or that our free will was the intent of god, or that there is not omniscient being in the first place. Therefore that isn't and existentialist question unless you rephrase it to be whether or not Satan ultimately controls free will. Which is highly unlikely based on your above theory, because if he were actual in control of religion and gained power from negative thoughts, religion would be much more heavily suited to increase his power by making humans only think dark thoughts, i.e., no ten commandments etc. Hope this helps
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Makes about as much sense as the converse. The only problem is that it doesn't seem like there's all that much hatred of Satan, and he could have come up with a lot of easier ways to generate hate, like enslaving and torturing humanity. If he created the world, why not just send people to hell in the first place? The reverse psychology of making God just seems kind of roundabout to me -- maybe I've just never thought of Satan as the passive-aggresive type. I've no opinion otherwise. The idea seems perfectly feasible, if a little inefficient.


If Satan tortured humanity then we wouldn't have a civilization to build and advance to create more human's that will create more accumulate hate then when they were tortured, doesn't have to be hate can be negative emotions..i never said Satan created the world... The global system of suffering we have today is working for Satan, just look at all the less developed countries and see peoples suffering... A lot of hate can also be found in developed countries.. (the god complex is probably not the only plan that Satan has planted to gain power)


:I This post makes me wonder why Satanism is not really "bad" in itself, its basically like don't mess with others unless they do harm to you, I think what's written in the Bible is actually far more cruel. Although this was created in the 60's, whatevs.


Found dis infographic, while I was looking the biggest hit on Google search was "GMO" labeling xD.
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i read some strange thing on these forums at time XD

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This shit is why I'm atheist.
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I don't know about God or Satan. I think Satan is all bad, that God is all good, and that I am all nuetral by nature. If indeed God DID create me, which I don't necessarily think is true, I don't think it makes me a bad person. I would go on about what I think good and bad means but that would take a lot of time which I don't feel compelled to spend on this atm. I will say, however, that it's a lot more complicated then, "If I beat you up, I'm bad. If I go to church, I'm good."
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I think the OP's idea has some merit if we consider different possibilities concerning the nature of Satan. Going on the assumption that Satan created the idea of God, and the further clarification that some other 'maker' type entity created the world (but does not function in any other godlike aspect and essentially went away afterwards), we could say that Satan is possessed of immortality or at least a ridiculously long lifespan, and maybe some sort of clairvoyant powers, but not the sort of omnipotent powers we attribute to God. Perhaps the idea of him 'growing stronger' from 'negative emotions' such as hatred has nothing to do with his actual being and abilities, rather, he just has a lot of fun experiencing such emotions running rampant and creating terrible situations. Satan's just a vicious sadist.

Going with that explanation, it wouldn't be a big leap to say that Satan created the idea of God, and popularized the idea of himself as the opponent of God, knowing that this rather simple core would be turned into countless complex ideas by humans (and which again, he might have a hand in directly as well). By subtly organizing large-scale ideological clashes, he brought about such events as the crusades, for which he could sit back and admire his handiwork. The 'God' concept could also serve as a way for Satan to challenge himself. It's more satisfying to achieve something more difficult, even if that difficulty is artificial. If people have a reason to be good, then it's more satisfying for Satan, considered this way, when they go bad.

Of course, given this scenario, there's no actual reason aside from his own whim to set himself up as the 'anti-God' entity, so 'Satan' turns out to be a fairly arbitrary characterization for the creature I've described, based on what said creature has set up for us. I'm really just tossing out ideas that I think would make for an interesting scenario anyway though, and I understand that none of what I've said springs from any particularly rational line of thought. It's just an attempt on my part to describe one possible way for the 'Satan created God' idea to have manifested.
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The hell did I just read....
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Firstly, I would hardly consider this existentialism...this would probably fit under metaphysics, at best.

Secondly, suppose there was a Lucifer-like being who, for some unknown reason, fed off of certain specific brain patterns of a species of primates (and perhaps other species with similar brain patterns). Why exactly would he create such an idea that is virtually unverifiable to make us hate him? Also, why would an "evil mastermind" want to be the one to be hated, putting him in the spot light? I mean, honestly, if this being wanted us to hate something, then it would have been more beneficial for him to continuously create flies or some other annoying insect for us to hate and kill.

The fact that god(s) and goddess(es) are unverifiable makes them always questionable, and thus there would always be skeptics. And, being skeptical of the Judeo-Christian God would likely lead one to be skeptical of this being, and thus would have a hard time hating him. In fact, one wouldn't necessarily have to be an atheist to not believe in the devil, they would just have to have a belief system without a satan (e.g. neopaganism). It's a bit difficult to actually hate someone who you believe doesn't exist,

This plan is inefficient at best. Satan would have the planning ability of a poorly-written comic book villain. As such, even if I believed this scenario (which I don't in any way shape or form), then I would have a hard time hating Satan more than just pitying him for being so unbelievably stupid.

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Ever wonder about those people who spend... $2.00 on those little bottles of Evian water? Try spelling Evian backwards.
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To be honest. I dont believe there is a god or whatever. Im hoping that when you die you live in your imagination And end up starting your own life again....

just a theory
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