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Post Reply If if is racist to require an ID when voting, what is it called when they require ID to buy beer, open a checking accoun
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Posted 8/26/13 , edited 8/27/13
Many people on the left claim voter ID laws discriminate against minorities (especially black Americans) and the poor preventing them from voting, but are these claims valid?

Some states require an ID when voting to prove you are who you say you are and every single law has a provision for anyone who can't afford it to get a free ID. These laws, which in my opinion every state should pass will cut down on fraud.

Buying beer? Need ID; Flying on a Plane? ID required. Want to get into the Democratic National Convention? yup even they require ID. So if all these activities require ID without claims of racism, how can anyone credibly claim voter ID laws are racist against blacks since so many aspects of our daily lives require it of all citizens?

Most Americans (including minorities) support voter ID.
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How is it racest if the law applys to everyone?
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Somewhat confused. If you touch up what you are asking and provide an example then maybe I'd be able to give a good answer..
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I'm with Gettnlag, I made a bit of sense out of your post, but not enough to understand what it is you are really asking or taking a position on.

Elaborate.
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plus an ID cost at most 25 dollars every 5 years not much of a bank breaker
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Minorities, elderly and poor groups are more greatly affected by the voter ID laws because they require the voter to take time off work which one can't do if you are poor and pay for any costs in the attainment of that Voter ID. It would make more sense if this voter ID law would be phased in over a 10 year period. Giving people a voter ID when they graduate high school or when they turn 18, like how you are supposed to register with the selective service system (armed forces) in the United States if the military ever has to re-instate the draft.

Read this: http://www.propublica.org/article/everything-youve-ever-wanted-to-know-about-voter-id-laws
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dougeprofile wrote:

States with voter ID laws have provisions for anyone who can't afford it to get free ID. So how are these laws racist, especially when so many areas in society require ID? Isn't it racist to suggest a black person is incapable of getting ID??


I... What? Aren't you the racist one who's implying that the people who can't afford to get an ID are black? It says anyone, what are you even talking about.
Posted 8/26/13 , edited 8/26/13
This is NOT a clear post. I can barely fathom the point you're trying to make.
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dougeprofile wrote:

States with voter ID laws have provisions for anyone who can't afford it to get free ID. So how are these laws racist, especially when so many areas in society require ID? Isn't it racist to suggest a black person is incapable of getting ID?? Seems like a very good idea requiring ID when voting so as to cut down on fraud.


its not racist
voting is a constitutional right
you dont need an ID to exercise your constitutional rights....

whats next? speech ID? an ID to practice your religion, we could put a little star of david on the jewish people, a cross on the christians....



now go post something smart in the gun thread
lol
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People forget their id quite often when going to by liquor, driving, going to work etc.

The thing is you don't typically get pulled over, you can always go home and come back to the bar, and its not your last and most jobs that require badges normally have a backup process. When it comes to voting we want everyone to vote. Minorities in low income neighborhoods are often too busy enough with multiple jobs trying to make ends meat to know what's going on to begin with. Not riding comfortably in your car listening to the radio, watching tv or the like but instead catching public transportation, getting information or misinformation via word of mouth and having enough trouble getting time off to vote, if they even know when voting is.
They are also more susceptible to misinformation intentionally spread as it was in Florida in 2000, when thousands were turned away at the polls for bogus reasons, and its the same reason GOP groups spread posters fibbing that voter IDs were required in these low income neighborhoods. Elderly people also have a hard time getting voter IDs if they even remember to bring them.

It would be one thing if the IDs were actually addressing a present problem as opposed to being enforced due to propaganda and creating more problems. I can't vote for someone else unless that person exists, and the number of times thats even happened is almost negligible. People aren't returning to the polls multiple times to vote. Many more people aren't able to vote for various reasons, including criminal records which is actually a violation of international human rights law treaties the US has ratified and most of the civilized world follows. This is just another way of setting up additional barriers to keep people from participating in the most important of civic duties, as literacy tests were under jim crow. And it was that they were subjectively issued, just as I could say everyone white that comes in has a legitimate ID but accuse the blacks that attempt to vote of holding fraudulent IDs for another matter if you elect a bad gate keeper.
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Its just a precaution to avoid voter fraud, for most part if you register to vote you should really get form of ID, using a system like that could easily speed up the voting system as again you can just scan cards for a person's ballot rather than have to generate one each time when you check in at the polling station.

As for speech ID, naw.. their is now a Internet license.. too many crazies get on it.. soo we need to regulate it so much you get it inspected for umm.. private-time video material downloads each year.
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spectralMagician wrote:


dougeprofile wrote:

States with voter ID laws have provisions for anyone who can't afford it to get free ID. So how are these laws racist, especially when so many areas in society require ID? Isn't it racist to suggest a black person is incapable of getting ID??


I... What? Aren't you the racist one who's implying that the people who can't afford to get an ID are black? It says anyone, what are you even talking about.


That is precisely what people on the left accuse conservatives of doing; substitute for "minority" for "black" if it makes you feel better.
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I don't see a problem with needing a reliable proof of identification for driving and voting and buying stuff.

Since people are encouraged to vote, there are provisions that allow the less-fortunate to get an ID so that they CAN vote. I see nothing wrong here.
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swirly_commode wrote:


dougeprofile wrote:

States with voter ID laws have provisions for anyone who can't afford it to get free ID. So how are these laws racist, especially when so many areas in society require ID? Isn't it racist to suggest a black person is incapable of getting ID?? Seems like a very good idea requiring ID when voting so as to cut down on fraud.


its not racist
voting is a constitutional right
you dont need an ID to exercise your constitutional rights....

whats next? speech ID? an ID to practice your religion, we could put a little star of david on the jewish people, a cross on the christians....



now go post something smart in the gun thread
lol


There there, (pat) (pat); I'm sure to get around to posting in the gun thread, don't worry ya'all little heat 'bout that now.

The ID is not required to exercise one's constitutional right to vote, it is to prove you are who you say you are. It is my constitutional right to vote, but that vote is negated when a person votes twice or a dead person votes; students attending school in one state and voting in another is another problem that needs to be fixed.

Speaking of guns - You have to show ID and undergo a background check when buying a gun - your argument would mean background checks for guns are unconstitutional!

Everyone - including minorities must show ID to get into the Democratic convention too.
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One would have to assume that this is really a democracy to begin with. hint: It isn't. As far as voter fraud goes, it's not as widespread and Voter ID pundits would have you believe.

Also I'd like to note that I've gone to conventions and primaries without being carded.

The real voter fraud is the Electoral College, The Voting by District, the 2 party system and any other thing that prevents the actual counting of the popular vote in this country.

The Democracy is a Lie (Just like the cake)
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