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Posted 8/28/13 , edited 8/28/13
Points are flying in from different perspectives, I see. I'll try and outline them for the sake of clarifying the discussion:

1) Capitalistic viewpoint - sex sells, therefore it should be of no surprise that you'd use the same methods in the anime industry. Although there are merits to this point, it goes without saying that it is done within the bounds of what is reasonable. Official goods tread the borders of what can be considered tolerable by Japanese standards, but even those follow your basic PG13 rules. Anything beyond that is usually in the realm of doujinsha goods, which is a different market in and of itself.

2) Cultural viewpoint - the Japanese are more tolerant of eroticism in their daily lives, so what is considered lewd or obscene by western standards is pretty much daily fare in Japan. This isn't exactly true, as the Japanese can be considered "conservative" by most Western standards. The idea that someone is more "sexually tolerant" because they have no problems seeing another person's genitals isn't a question of sexual tolerance more than it is just sexual maturity.

3) Media format restrictions - perhaps the eroticism is highlighted by the fact that the western depiction of animation and cartoons leans towards a more light-hearted purpose. Certain limits are always in place with regard to Western standards, but the same limits are absent (if not very, very liberal) in Japanese Animation. Therefore, including voluptuous characters and overly exaggerated fan service sequences only appear exaggerated from Western standards, but are probably not outside the bounds of what is tolerable by Japanese standards. To that extent, the culture viewpoint partially applies with this respect.

4) Niche preferences - like it or not, anime is niche, even in Japan. Likewise, a majority of this niche population enjoys the perks of seeing their characters in "different" situations, be they erotic or not. You can expect a lot of strange crap because of this.

5) Toilet humor - Japanese humor is different than American humor. If the Japanese giggle with lines like "boobs are not boobs unless they bounce", then most Americans find giggles with euphemisms like "yardstick" or "bushy wilderness" for the different private parts - if you get my drift.

6) The Status Quo - Eroticism in anime has been around since forever, so what's the big deal? - true, it's been around ever since, but I believe that it's overly abused and becoming a sub-genre in itself for most people. The result is more stringent censorship that ends up affecting even violence in anime, such that much of the modern anime shows are either slice-of-life shows or gag animes with regurgitated content.
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Posted 8/28/13
Sex is awesome
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I watch/read for the overall story. Blast of Tempest is still a fav anime of mine regardless of that comedy relief bit since it has a great story, I loved Bakemonogatari & Nisemonogatari even though a few people I know b*tched about the increase in fanservice because the story itself was still great, Ghost in the Shell series (movie and series) did not shy away from sex or anything in that vein yet still is one of the best stories I've seen (and wish the SAC-verse would continue to see). As for Asuna, in the story itself her character was presented well imo and thats what counts not what a figurine looks like.

Basically: If you focus on the story then it shouldn't matter what else is there, just enjoy the story and characters within the story.
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I have no issues looking and sexy female characters and I bet the girls have no issues with looking at sexy male characters.
So where exactly is the problem?
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Posted 8/28/13 , edited 8/28/13

AshRandom wrote:

The real question is what makes you so uncomfortable about human sexuality?

It's a normal and natural part of life, there's no shame in it.


Indeed it is! Sex is indeed awesome! And the reason most of us are there to discuss the topic to begin with.

But to be honest a lot of fanservice does bother me. Not because of the sex but because of the way it's presented, most of the time it's not something a character is doing, it's something DONE to them. Gratuitous panty shots while the girl looks like she wants to be somewhere else, stupidly huge breasts bouncing like water baloons, really stupid combat outfits with more skin area than armor...

It often feels gratuitous and out of place, and sometimes even a bit degrading when you go to extremes like Queen's Blade.

It's not the end of the world, and in my case has a lot to do with taste. I find Benten from Eccentric Familly extremely hot, yet she's not sexualised despite being very, very sexy.
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Posted 8/28/13 , edited 8/28/13
I don't understand. It is attitudes like these that lead to close-mindedness and the sheltered mindset that plagues any country, especially America.

Sex should be more publicized and people should be less apprehensive about sexual themes in entertainment. The fact it happens all over anime in my opinion is a good thing, because it's desensitizing folks just that much more. Sex should not bother you. It is a thing that people do. I mean, get over it.

The fact it makes the big bucks is honestly just a collateral bonus.

Now what you can make an argument for is the there is a potential for the over-use of gratuitous fan-service demeaning or reducing the quality of a show, but I will never, ever, ever, ever agree with anything in mainstream media having "too much sexualization". There's no such thing. Just hogwash.
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It's not the sex as such, to be honest most anime isn't all that sex-positive despite having a lot of fanservice. When was the last time you saw an anime character who was comfortable and happy with their sex drive? They do exist, but they're pretty rare. In anime it's often OK for a girl to be a piece of eye-candy, but the moment she shows some interest in sex it's bad and wrong and it freaks out the fans to learn she's not a virgin.

It's the same way in America by the way, sex is all over the place in music videos, TV shows and movies. Yet the US of A are a shockingly prudish country.





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It is what sells and helps drive the industry. It's been like that for years and it is never going to change because there is a demand for it.
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This topic has been beat to death so many times, yes it is done, yes some people don't like it, yes some people don't care, these being basically the most heard responses, this "hypersexualization" won't change any time soon and you can't force it to.
Basically I am saying if it is going to change it will but it will change slowly, if someone tries to force it, it will end badly.
Video games face the same complaints(male characters saving female etc.) ending result of all this.
Deal with it.
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Posted 8/28/13

jamesistewart wrote:

This topic has been beat to death so many times, yes it is done, yes some people don't like it, yes some people don't care, these being basically the most heard responses, this "hypersexualization" won't change any time soon and you can't force it to.
Basically I am saying if it is going to change it will but it will change slowly, if someone tries to force it, it will end badly.
Video games face the same complaints(male characters saving female etc.) ending result of all this.
Deal with it.


That's not necessarily a hit on sexualization, and more an encroachment on gender equality and perception issues.
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jamesistewart wrote:
Deal with it.


That's exactly what I'm doing.

Since when this expression has become synonymous with ignoring something to begin with?

I'm not advocating censorship or telling people what to buy. I'm not telling anybody they're bad people for enjoying fanservice. Heck I enjoy quite a bit of it myself, Gurren-Lagann is one of my all time favourite shows and it's a fanservice festival. I think FREE! is awesome.

But please people, for the love of god, think about what you're watching. And try to at least understand why some people find it troublesome instead of trying to shut down the conversation whenever it crops up.
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Posted 8/28/13

AmazingStef wrote:


jamesistewart wrote:
Deal with it.


That's exactly what I'm doing.

Since when this expression has become synonymous with ignoring something to begin with?

I'm not advocating censorship or telling people what to buy. I'm not telling anybody they're bad people for enjoying fanservice. Heck I enjoy quite a bit of it myself, Gurren-Lagann is one of my all time favourite shows and it's a fanservice festival. I think FREE! is awesome.

But please people, for the love of god, think about what you're watching. And try to at least understand why some people find it troublesome instead of trying to shut down the conversation whenever it crops up.


With what goal in mind? I'm pretty sure most of us do understand why people feel the way they do, but the answer will still be the same...deal with it.

The fact some people can't bear it is their problem, nobody is obligated to try and understand anything.
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Posted 8/28/13
Accept reality or stay mad and complaining.
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Posted 8/28/13 , edited 8/28/13
Well, I've always had this small theory in my mind as to why sex is less tolerated over here than violence. I think it's because sex is viewed as a private activity while violence has a lot more public events that all ages can watch and participate in. I mean, you have wrestling, boxing MMA, karate, etc, all of these events have some form of violence and are public.

Even kids have their own versions of some of these events. Yet I don't see a public sex focused event over here and that all ages can join in, having millions of people that can sit there and watch you "get it on".

So yeah, like I said this is just my small theory has to why sex over here has a tighter leash than violence. Even though it's part of nature (the same way that nudity is) you gotta admit most people let their 6 year old view something violent (it could be even in a Disney film) before they look at a full sexual act even though both are a part a human nature.
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Posted 8/28/13 , edited 8/28/13
Americans and other Westerners are prudes in comparison? Yeah, right. Sure, we had the Victorian era and whatnot, but I distinctively recall the Japanese being forced to come up with tentacle hentai to skirt around sexual intolerance. Hell, it was an Englishman named Vladmir Nabokov who inspired the lolita genre, and a Frenchman named Maquis de Sade is responsible for "sadism." Are we forgetting a certain American someone who went by "Linda Lovelace" and set off a popular pornography trend? Isn't America's pornography franchise huge?

We're comparing apples to oranges. For example: Legs are fine in Japan, but cleavage is a shaky subject. In America, both are viewed as okay, except by some demographics.
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