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I know vaccines are suppose to help people but I'm kinda dont trust it. Remember when the news kept talking about the flu vaccines not to long ago? I heard kids were having bad reactions to the medicine. Makes me wonder if its really helping. Im no doctor but I rather have natural medicine.
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Leechan69 wrote:

I know vaccines are suppose to help people but I'm kinda dont trust it. Remember when the news kept talking about the flu vaccines not to long ago? I heard kids were having bad reactions to the medicine. Makes me wonder if its really helping. Im no doctor but I rather have natural medicine.


http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-07/infographic-impact-vaccines-disease-rates
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2011/07/21/peds.2010-3385.abstract
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox
Could give a few more examples of vaccines being effective if you'd like.

I'm personally not a fan of flu vaccines because influenza has a high mutation rate and therefore they don't last, but the vast majority of other vaccines are beneficial not just to yourself but also everyone around you.
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Even the Apostle Paul had to leave one of his sick friends behind.
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I, personally, have no intention of getting further vaccination. I was vaccinated for the various diseases (small pox, measles, etc.) that are done as an infant, but nothing since then. I am very resistant to disease in the first place. I've only had a disease 10 times or less in my life. Pumping myself full of chemicals and diseases (whether it is currently thought to be without problems or not), to avoid diseases I won't likely get anyway, is pointless. Add to that my phobia of needles. I avoid medication in general, though. Common scientific thought may currently be that these things are safe, but that doesn't mean that they are. It would only mean that if there are negative affects, they haven't yet been identified with vaccination being the cause.
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puellapeanut wrote:
I don't know, I mean what about the flu vaccination? A lot of the people who took it actually got sick, versus the people who did not take it who remain perfectly well.

(Not a vaccination but...) there have also been reports that getting a mammogram/s actually cause breast cancer in the long run.

I do support vaccination, but I'm just saying - sometimes for some things there are other options.


There are options for treating a disease once you are infected, but to build immunity to a pathogen there are only three options. You can get sick and fight off the infection, you can get vaccinated, or you can get inoculated. Inoculation is where you take some body fluid or tissue that contains dead viruses (like a chicken pox scab or oozing) and rub it into a cut in someone's arm/leg. Basically it's archaic vaccination. If you are not exposed to some form a pathogen, whether it is a surface antigen, a string of nucleic acids, dead viruses, or live viruses (attenuated or infectious), then you cannot train your immune system to recognize that pathogen and respond to it, which means that you have no immunity.

As for the flu vaccination, influenza has an incubation period of about four days, and then the disease is communicable for 21 days after that. 50% of people never have any symptoms, and can expose people up to 20 feet away from them just by speaking. The flu shot doesn't guarantee immunity to all flu strains, but rather gives immunity to three strains that flu produces predict will be the most prevalent in a year.

Mammograms are a different thing altogether. Mammograms expose you to radiation. That's like saying that cars are dangerous because a hydrogen zeppelin burned once.
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Pro-health vs Pro-safety

let the match begin
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ishe5555 wrote:
I am very resistant to disease in the first place. I've only had a disease 10 times or less in my life.

Me too. I've never been sick with influenza. But 50% of active influenza infections are asymptomatic, which means that you and I have been exposed, been infected, and then spent 21 days spewing viruses and shedding disease without realizing it. Herd immunity requires at least 80% of individuals in a population to be truly immune, or it doesn't work to stop the spread of infection. I get flu shots not to protect myself, but to protect the people around me - especially small children, elderly, and immunocompromised people to whom influenza can be lethal.

FlyinDumpling wrote:

Pro-health vs Pro-safety

let the match begin

You can't be pro-health OR pro-safety and still be anti-vaccination. So in this case, vaccination = health + safety. The fight is off.
Posted 8/28/13

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I don't know, I mean what about the flu vaccination? A lot of the people who took it actually got sick, versus the people who did not take it who remain perfectly well.

(Not a vaccination but...) there have also been reports that getting a mammogram/s actually cause breast cancer in the long run.

I do support vaccination, but I'm just saying - sometimes for some things there are other options.




You do realise the "influenza" virus is not just one virus, right? There are many types of influenza virus even though they're categorised under the same name.
It's like Hepatitis, there are A, B and C subtypes. If you're vaccinated against B, it doesn't make you immuned to A or C.



In regards to mammogram, yes, there is always a low possibility a mammogram will cause cancer as it uses X-ray. X-ray is known to be damaging to cells, it's a known fact.
The thing is, no medication or procedure in medical science is perfect, there will always be side effects, even chemotherapy (which is supposed to kill cancerous cells) can lead to cancer of other cells.


This is the real world, scientists don't have perfect knowledge, it's not Pokemon healing centre.

I'd rather place my trusts in something that have been proven to be effective rather than place my trusts in "faith-based healing" which is based on mythologies.
Posted 8/28/13

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puellapeanut wrote:


I don't know, I mean what about the flu vaccination? A lot of the people who took it actually got sick, versus the people who did not take it who remain perfectly well.

(Not a vaccination but...) there have also been reports that getting a mammogram/s actually cause breast cancer in the long run.

I do support vaccination, but I'm just saying - sometimes for some things there are other options.




You do realise the "influenza" virus is not just one virus, right? There are many types of influenza virus even though they're categorised under the same name.
It's like Hepatitis, there are A, B and C subtypes. If you're vaccinated against B, it doesn't make you immuned to A or C.



In regards to mammogram, yes, there is always a low possibility a mammogram will cause cancer as it uses X-ray. X-ray is known to be damaging to cells, it's a known fact.
The thing is, no medication or procedure in medical science is perfect, there will always be side effects, even chemotherapy (which is supposed to kill cancerous cells) can lead to cancer of other cells.


This is the real world, scientists don't have perfect knowledge, it's not Pokemon healing centre.

I'd rather place my trusts in something that have been proven to be effective rather than place my trusts in "faith-based healing" which is based on mythologies.


That's why I said I don't know, I wasn't sure. I don't support faith based healing whatsoever, and I do support vaccination/something that has been proven to work - I'm just saying that if natural remedies work as well, why not go for them? Or at least try them out.

But thank you for the information anyway ^_^

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That'll teach em.

The whole anti-science bent of religious fundamentalists is bat-shit insane.
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Posted 8/28/13 , edited 8/28/13

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Pro vaccination 100%, but I don't get the flu shot because I hate needles >.<.
Being anti vaccination is very ignorant... I could go into a long scientific rant, but I don't have the time to type it out =P


There are other methods of getting vaccinated for the flu other than a shot these days. Just need to call your doctor's office and ask.
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I'm just here to say I hate needles, I'm like Goku
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfBEAua1cCE
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Inoculations? I get them as do my kids. Flu vaccine, I get it every year.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm

As mentioned, they make a best guess on what will be most common but it takes so darn long to prep these things. So getting the flu shot in any given year is a crap shoot. However there are several studies out there that demonstrate that your resistance rate against the flu over time goes up dramatically over the years if you continue to get it. I will note that I am one of the lucky people to get the occasional side effect (as documented in the link above). It sucks but it sucks significantly less then a really bad case of the flu (which I have also had).

My grandfather was born in 1900 and when I was 10-11 (5th grade) I had to do a 'report' where I interviewed someone in my family. One of the questions I had to ask was 'How was the "good ole days" when he was a kid? His answer was "good old days? When I was a kid people died of the flu. They got diseases where they couldn't walk and died (Polio).... so you tell anyone talking about the good old days that they don't remember what life was like with all the people dying of everything and are full of crap!" Then I got to listen to similar things for another long while (hey, I was 10-11 it probably wasn't that long but at that age it was FOREVER). My dad had to explain what some of the things grandpa said meant and also said I couldn't say them.

Seriously I look at the people who are promoting their anti-whatever hysteria... They 'doctor' and actress who started it. People went and looked at his research and he had an 'alternative vaccine storage methodology he was patenting and they found his research had some fabrications. Actresses juicing up hysteria... Anti-science activitist drumming up money for their political agenda... Oh yea, the doctor lost his license as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_controversy
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/index.html

SO, feel free not to get them but sufferings pretty darn horrible and please don't live near me or let your kids go to my school.
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I'm pro since we're in the different era.
But if this discussion take place in past eras, people would be skeptical.
One, taking a vaccination doesn't mean you're safe.
Thru the years, there are plenty of diseases that been diagnosed.
Hence, people have to incline on needing to protect themselves more.

Second, ....

blah, blah, blah, I'll wait just like OP and see how the posts go along. blah blah blah
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If it gets rid of the morons, I do not care.
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