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Posted 10/14/14 , edited 10/15/14
The federal minimum wage should be adjusted to keep pace with inflation. Period. That's what makes it a 'minimum' you see. If it had, the going rate would be about $10.90/hour, for the record. Instead, it's actually fallen in value--the minimum wage in the late 60s was approximately $10.70/hour in today's dollars.

I doubt the striking workers will end up with the $15/hour they want, but I support their attempts to secure whatever improvements they can get. Working conditions in the US have never improved--in any line of work--until someone started making noise about it.

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To add a bit more context to the discussion, a full time worker (40 hours/week) being paid at the federal minimum wage has an annual salary of just over 15,000 dollars. 15K is 133% of the federal poverty guideline for a family of 1. But of course, anyone who ever earned a paycheck knows it isn't that simple. Money is deducted from each paycheck for social security, federal/state/local taxes, etc. The amount varies widely according to a host of factors but let's be optimistic and say 20%.

So now you're down to an annual take-home pay of $12,000... if you did, in fact, work 40 hours. With minimum wage jobs, this is frequently not the case. Most often you can expect your employer to give you 25-32 hours a week, as anyone scheduled for 40 hours or more is typically considered a full-time employee, and they are required by law to offer additional benefits to full-time employees. Let's call it 32 hours, and now you're at or just below the federal minimum definition of poverty. Again, that's for a family of 1.

Do you have any dependents? Fast food workers often do, and that number is rising. There's a belief that fast food jobs are for teenagers trying to earn extra money over the Summer. But the statistics don't support it, and they haven't for years now. When the economy damn near imploded in 2008, a whole lot of people with professional degrees wound up flipping burgers instead. That's why you're seeing more and more protests and strikes for that line of work--the average level of education is rising, and so are the number of workers with families to support.
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Posted 2/10/15
There's no way they deserve to make as much as some people who just graduated college!
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I support it because fast food pay is almost always at or slightly above minimum wage. This would be the minimum wage so every other job would raise accordingly. Food at restaurants would get a little more expensive but it would even out because everyone's wage would be higher. In other words it would trickle UP.

The problem with a minimum wage and standard being so low is that these huge margins between cheap labor and revenue are unnecessarily pumped into a CEO's salary. The $8-9 increase in wages for menial labor would be have a great impact to those workers and their spending would stimulate the economy. Accordingly this would only mean a minimal drop in a CEO's wages, something that wouldn't even be noticed for something having such a huge improvement on the lives of those who are having a difficulty making ends meet.
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The poor have been taught a lesson! lower wages while massive and growing CEO pay are just ok!

even though without said same workers the company would not have made billions in profits.

economics teaches that profits are after expenses are paid such as taxes and so forth, wages and such.

your only worth what your willing and HAVE to work for.

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Posted 2/12/15 , edited 2/14/15
Another poll on CR has the great majority here identifying with the Democrat party who are big supporters of laws like this.

Even then, reality sets in as people think of what artificially "giving" everyone a raise does. Politicians love laws like this since its not directly coming out of their pockets so much as business have to do it come rain or shine.

Those voting for a hike may be thinking, "Take that mega corporation!" when in actuality, this helps them since they are given even more reason to automate(self checkout anyone?). This also, keeps small business competitors down as they probably can't afford either the automation or the higher wages the new law requires.

The ripple effect is also that unions use the minimum wage as a trigger to up wages for other jobs. Causing some companies to ship the jobs overseas where the minimum wage laws(you know, China) aren't such a crushing deal.
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Rangpur wrote:

The federal minimum wage should be adjusted to keep pace with inflation. Period. That's what makes it a 'minimum' you see. If it had, the going rate would be about $10.90/hour, for the record. Instead, it's actually fallen in value--the minimum wage in the late 60s was approximately $10.70/hour in today's dollars.

I doubt the striking workers will end up with the $15/hour they want, but I support their attempts to secure whatever improvements they can get. Working conditions in the US have never improved--in any line of work--until someone started making noise about it.

EDIT:
To add a bit more context to the discussion, a full time worker (40 hours/week) being paid at the federal minimum wage has an annual salary of just over 15,000 dollars. 15K is 133% of the federal poverty guideline for a family of 1. But of course, anyone who ever earned a paycheck knows it isn't that simple. Money is deducted from each paycheck for social security, federal/state/local taxes, etc. The amount varies widely according to a host of factors but let's be optimistic and say 20%.

So now you're down to an annual take-home pay of $12,000... if you did, in fact, work 40 hours. With minimum wage jobs, this is frequently not the case. Most often you can expect your employer to give you 25-32 hours a week, as anyone scheduled for 40 hours or more is typically considered a full-time employee, and they are required by law to offer additional benefits to full-time employees. Let's call it 32 hours, and now you're at or just below the federal minimum definition of poverty. Again, that's for a family of 1.

Do you have any dependents? Fast food workers often do, and that number is rising. There's a belief that fast food jobs are for teenagers trying to earn extra money over the Summer. But the statistics don't support it, and they haven't for years now. When the economy damn near imploded in 2008, a whole lot of people with professional degrees wound up flipping burgers instead. That's why you're seeing more and more protests and strikes for that line of work--the average level of education is rising, and so are the number of workers with families to support.


I thought I already commented on a post like this a while back when they strikes first started.

anyhow, the above comment is pretty much exactly how i feel.

Also, $15 an hour is kinda the new "minimum wage" that seems to be the bare minimum for just about any job these days.I know hundreds of jobs that pay this to start, and they weren't always this low paying. Setting the bar at $15 may have some little waves in increasing the cost of a meal (but not by $5 or what others seem to think it will) but a little. The big problem is that the wage disparity is outrageous these days, and due to the shrinking middle and lower middle classes, money isn't circulating. If money isn't circulating, there's no economy and no economic growth.

So... yeah. I'm in favor of things that circulate money, like what it's supposed to do, rather than worry about someone flipping burgers making the same wages as me.

also, there's the theory that if the FF workers which are theoretically the bottom rung employees, get more money, it'll actually trigger other professions to demand more money and help to lift everyone up...

It's either that or we tax the every loving hell out of the wealthy.....
Posted 2/14/15 , edited 2/14/15
Raising the minimum wage sounds fair when thinking of students in H.S., college, and the poor working class. Its the least that can be done with rising costs of living, and it provides an added incentive for keeping workers. As for white collared resentment, maybe if it bothers them so much they should ask for more money, since they have such irreplaceable skills, it shouldn't be a problem. Jees who cares.
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I support it because fast food pay is almost always at or slightly above minimum wage. This would be the minimum wage so every other job would raise accordingly. Food at restaurants would get a little more expensive but it would even out because everyone's wage would be higher. In other words it would trickle UP.

The problem with a minimum wage and standard being so low is that these huge margins between cheap labor and revenue are unnecessarily pumped into a CEO's salary. The $8-9 increase in wages for menial labor would be have a great impact to those workers and their spending would stimulate the economy. Accordingly this would only mean a minimal drop in a CEO's wages, something that wouldn't even be noticed for something having such a huge improvement on the lives of those who are having a difficulty making ends meet.


Are you even trying to think of the larger impact on the economy if this goes through would you be ok spending upwards of 100$ each trip to mcdonalds?
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JustineKo2 wrote:

I support it because fast food pay is almost always at or slightly above minimum wage. This would be the minimum wage so every other job would raise accordingly. Food at restaurants would get a little more expensive but it would even out because everyone's wage would be higher. In other words it would trickle UP.

The problem with a minimum wage and standard being so low is that these huge margins between cheap labor and revenue are unnecessarily pumped into a CEO's salary. The $8-9 increase in wages for menial labor would be have a great impact to those workers and their spending would stimulate the economy. Accordingly this would only mean a minimal drop in a CEO's wages, something that wouldn't even be noticed for something having such a huge improvement on the lives of those who are having a difficulty making ends meet.


Are you even trying to think of the larger impact on the economy if this goes through would you be ok spending upwards of 100$ each trip to mcdonalds?


Do you spend over $100 when you go to a DECENT restaurant where they probably pay anyone who isn't wait staff around $20 an hour?

I dunno about you, but when I get a locally raised, grass fed, organic beef burger with fresh artisanal cheese from a local creamery (where the meat came from too) that also has 5% going to a local agricultural charity, it still only costs $12... And yes, it comes with fries too.. :P

With McD's I'm just expecting meat sludge and rehydrated onions.. Nothing fancy.
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periah250 wrote:


JustineKo2 wrote:

I support it because fast food pay is almost always at or slightly above minimum wage. This would be the minimum wage so every other job would raise accordingly. Food at restaurants would get a little more expensive but it would even out because everyone's wage would be higher. In other words it would trickle UP.

The problem with a minimum wage and standard being so low is that these huge margins between cheap labor and revenue are unnecessarily pumped into a CEO's salary. The $8-9 increase in wages for menial labor would be have a great impact to those workers and their spending would stimulate the economy. Accordingly this would only mean a minimal drop in a CEO's wages, something that wouldn't even be noticed for something having such a huge improvement on the lives of those who are having a difficulty making ends meet.


Are you even trying to think of the larger impact on the economy if this goes through would you be ok spending upwards of 100$ each trip to mcdonalds?


Do you spend over $100 when you go to a DECENT restaurant where they probably pay anyone who isn't wait staff around $20 an hour?

I dunno about you, but when I get a locally raised, grass fed, organic beef burger with fresh artisanal cheese from a local creamery (where the meat came from too) that also has 5% going to a local agricultural charity, it still only costs $12... And yes, it comes with fries too.. :P

With McD's I'm just expecting meat sludge and rehydrated onions.. Nothing fancy.


welp if this goes by ill look forward to seeing you on the streets because anyone who isnt rich isn't gonna last in that economy
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No 15$ for food service is a bit unrealistic i agree with the person who said 10$ is a more reasonable area
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There's no way they deserve to make as much as some people who just graduated college!


Why not, unlike college grads they've got jobs.
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My assumption is the $15/hr is a negotiation tactic. They ask for $15 and are content if they get $8.50.
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Posted 2/16/15
Not just a negotiation tactic. It's the now law in some cities and states.
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Its already the equivalent of 8 dollars for a fast food meal here, already too damn expensive.
So no, fast food workers are a bunch of lazy bastards anyway.
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