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Attack on Syria announcement by President Obama
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Posted 8/31/13 , edited 9/2/13
A brief explanation of the context. Syria has been having ongoing internal strife for over a year. Most recently, the USA's intelligence has accused the Syrian government headed by President Bashar Al-Assad of launching a chemical weapons attack on areas controlled by rebels (but also killing many civilians in the process, estimated at 1,400 people). This is in conflict with a set of laws signed by many countries around the world to agree to ban the use of chemical weapons, signed by nearly all of the countries recognized by the United Nations.
<http://www.opcw.org/news-publications/publications/facts-and-figures/>
Syria is one of the few countries who has not agreed to these laws. Currently, an investigation team sent by the UN has yet to conclude its findings on whether a chemical weapons attack was indeed carried out. It is worth noting that they can only determine whether there was a chemical weapons attack; they cannot determine who the attacker was.

Politically speaking, the USA doesn't like the current Syrian regime very much. However, President Bashar Al-Assad has the political support of both Russia and China, meaning that open conflict is out of the question, lest we risk a World War III taking place between the world's superpowers. Some might view the conflict in the Middle East as a series of proxy battles between the world's superpowers--not getting their hands dirty by sending their own troops, but certainly providing supplies/training, etc. Rebel groups wonder why the USA hasn't gotten more involved and, for example, committed tanks or guns to their cause. The reason is that this would give China and Russia reason to do the same, and risk open world conflict as mentioned above. There are probably more political intrigues that I am not aware of, but this is the basic setting--a relic of the Cold War.

In his speech today, President Obama described mounting "limited strikes" against Syria, effectively as a way to hold the government accountable for launching chemical weapons attacks "on its own civilians." He sounded very passionate about essentially punishing a government who uses such tactics "against its own people." He was also careful to state that the USA would not attempt to resolve the internal conflict for Syria, but only continue to support its people in its struggle (ostensibly by non-lethal means of supplies). He personally would order the strike, but he announced today that he would let the "American people" decide (i.e. Congress). In effect, the decision to launch several missiles into Syria is going to be decided by the Representatives elected by the citizens of the United States of America.

My question for you is this. If you are a USA citizen, would you call your state representative and urge them in favor or against the military strike? Do you believe that the Syrian government is responsible? If you are not a USA citizen, do you feel that the USA is abusing its military might acting as the "World's Police"? Do you believe that the Syrian government is responsible, and if so, should military actions be taken?

We live in an age where people on the opposite sides of the globe can communicate at near light-speed. The ideas and sentiments of one person can influence those of another, no matter how far apart they seem. I personally struggle with the feeling that if I simply click on "World News," I will be made aware by all the people who are suffering--starving, living in fear, diseased, belittled, and ignored by their own neighbors. And yet, I question whether it is my country's duty (or the duty of any foreigner) to try to put an end to such things taking place on a distant land.

[Mod edit: see related poll at /forumtopic-819319/should-the-usa-launch-a-missile-strike-on-syria]
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Posted 8/31/13
Against. We already have so much problems here in the states. Fix the damn country before fixing other countries. Our founding fathers even told us not to get ourselves involved in foreign affairs. And Obama has trampled on our Constitution so many times that it's not even countable. He should be impeached.
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Posted 9/2/13
Another humanitarian intervention!

our good president, before he enters into another cynical attempt at maintaining American hegemogy in the east, and getting his hands on summadat oil, should remember our last humanitarian intervention, Libya...and how that degenerated into a violent f*ckfest.
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Posted 9/2/13
America should stop playing world police.
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Posted 9/3/13 , edited 9/3/13
Definitely against. The idea of attacking Syria, even if it is "limited" still worries me. I'm no expert on politics or even close to being well educated on them, however looking back at the past and seeing how quickly a world war came about makes me afraid of the political possibilities of an attack. The beginning of WWI can be said to be the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand by a Serbian group opposed to Austrian control. Austria mobilizes, and Russia immediately gets involved, followed by Germany and then the rest of the major powers of the world. Possible political loopholes could easily, in my mind anyway, use this "limited strike" to initiate another globe spanning war. Not sure how probable that would be, but a possibility yes.
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Posted 9/3/13
sorry. we are going to die some day so we should help what would god do
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Posted 9/3/13

justapersonwatchinganime wrote:

America should stop playing world police.


I feel the same way, we're so busy worrying about outside issues when they should start working on fixing the unemployment problem and poverty for example...
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Posted 9/3/13 , edited 9/3/13
Last time I checked, we didn't know who was responsible for the chemical weapons attacks...
So what the hell?
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I do not understand why America thinks that it needs to be the "savior" of the world. We don't need to be involved in what looks to me like an internal problem in Syria. I want to know why and how this has affected America to the point of getting involved in this matter in the first place. We have enough problems in this country that need to be taken care of first before we go and help other countries.
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Posted 9/3/13 , edited 9/3/13
I think we should consider and fix whats messed up in our own country before we even try to fix others. That being said, we have no right to barge in on their war, who cares if the dude uses chemical attacks on his own people, as messed up as this sounds, it's not our problem. If it poses a threat to our nation, then hell yeah by all means attack, but if has nothing to do with us then leave it the hell alone. I never realized that our military was a police force, here comes Papa America to fix all your problems, lol what a joke. We had our own revolution and civil war and we turned out alright, leave them alone and let them deal with it themselves. People are gonna die, but find me a war or battle where people haven't.
Posted 9/4/13 , edited 9/4/13
Agreeing with everyone above!!

Besides, we don't have any proofs as to who caused the chemical attacks...you can't just attack a country just because YOU think this or that did it. I don't trust Obama as a someone who could lead a war,,,he has no clue about anything. I don't know if they are doing it just because of pride...with great power comes great responsibilities, if they wanna play the hero, they better be 100% sure of what they're getting into or else, this is going to be another 9/11 attack...no cause, no purpose, no end.
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Posted 9/4/13 , edited 9/4/13
And, so it begins....


RT @ReutersPolitics: U.S. Senate panel passes authorization for use of military force in Syria by 10-7 vote.


RT @nytimes: Breaking News: Senate Foreign Relations Panel Approves Resolution on Military Action in Syria.


Only the first steps (after selling it to the public of course). Next, into both houses of congress for a vote.

Keep an eye on Crude Oil and Gold. Oil is really a non-factor here since America is swimming in shale oil and natural gas, but the oil pits might take advantage of the headline risk to run up the price to line their own pockets. Of course, Syria might already be "priced in" to oil at these levels, but we'll have to wait and see.

Military stocks such as Locheed Martin (LMT) have already been run up quite a bit this year.



Stellar price move. Someone knew something months ago. Buying here would be chasing, IMO.
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Posted 9/4/13
Well fuck...
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Posted 9/4/13
honestly we shouldn't.....
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Posted 9/4/13
Just no.
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